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Elon Musk and free speech. (Original Post) hay rick Nov 2022 OP
Elon should be carrying a toilet. Frasier Balzov Nov 2022 #1
+1 2naSalit Nov 2022 #2
Good point. Fixed. hay rick Nov 2022 #7
Ha ha nice work! How'd you do that? Frasier Balzov Nov 2022 #9
Thanks for the compliment. hay rick Nov 2022 #10
I'm all for free speech ...... Lovie777 Nov 2022 #3
Stochastic terrorism. hay rick Nov 2022 #4
Agreed. Caliman73 Nov 2022 #6
does free speech include allowing criminal gangs to organize hits on twitter? DBoon Nov 2022 #5
what's going the happen the first time there is a domestic terrorist attack Takket Nov 2022 #8
Protecting the right and driving out the left. GoCubsGo Nov 2022 #11
If those people do go back to Twitter, at some point they will say XorXor Nov 2022 #12
They have to do something worse than before. hay rick Nov 2022 #13
If they push it too far, then even Musk's Twitter will likely have to take action XorXor Nov 2022 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2022 #14

hay rick

(7,521 posts)
10. Thanks for the compliment.
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 12:52 PM
Nov 2022

I use the open source photo editing program GIMP. I import multiple images, keep them in separate layers, trim off the parts I can't use, then resize, reorient, reposition, and edit what's left. I want to migrate some of my efforts to a vector program, Inkscape, but I have to do a lot of study and practice first.

Lovie777

(11,992 posts)
3. I'm all for free speech ......
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 02:57 PM
Nov 2022

but when they talk about hatred and violence towards an individual or group that is terrorism.

hay rick

(7,521 posts)
4. Stochastic terrorism.
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 03:11 PM
Nov 2022

The phrase stochastic terrorism has been used a lot recently to describe the effect of dangerous and irresponsible public speech. Twitter, Facebook, and cable TV rants have replaced "crying fire in a crowded movie theater." Our problem is that we don't have an effective legal means of holding people accountable for the consequences of weaponized speech. We err on the side of free speech and hope that we can avoid the worst outcomes by taking some defensive measures and relying on the expectation of common decency. This approach has been failing of late.

Caliman73

(11,693 posts)
6. Agreed.
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 03:30 PM
Nov 2022

The expectation you discuss also relies in the assumption of people acting in good faith. We have seen repeatedly over the last 50 years and with abundance in the last 20 years that Conservatives do not operate in good faith. They will use all of the rules and traditions in civil society to shield themselves while they try to destroy that same civil society in order to create their new feudal system.

Takket

(21,424 posts)
8. what's going the happen the first time there is a domestic terrorist attack
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 10:55 PM
Nov 2022

and investigators find they coordinated and planned the whole thing on twitter?

XorXor

(605 posts)
12. If those people do go back to Twitter, at some point they will say
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 01:11 PM
Nov 2022

Or do something worse than what the previous Twitter people banned them for. It should be interesting to see how Musk reacts when it is his investment that's on the line because of what these people said. It's easy for him to criticize the previous actions and be idealistic, because back then it wasn't on his shoulders.

I don't think Trump will be actively using Twitter, though. Unless truth social totally burns down

hay rick

(7,521 posts)
13. They have to do something worse than before.
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 01:26 PM
Nov 2022

They crave attention and need it to sustain their "brand." There is a limited amount of public attention available and they are competing with each other for that love. The dynamic appears to favor ever greater outrage.

Also, it is clear that there are no significant adverse consequences for cruel and unusual behavior.

XorXor

(605 posts)
15. If they push it too far, then even Musk's Twitter will likely have to take action
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 04:23 PM
Nov 2022

I'd find it an interesting social experiment to observe if there wasn't a real risk of danger that could come from all of this.

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