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that caused well meaning people to help tRump and the Republicans take over in 2016?
Populist negativism, with its defining hostility to existing "establishment," is completely incompatible with the positivity of progressivism, which requires the establishment to put to work. As the Biden admin is doing, as Hillary would have and would in any office. People need to KNOW that.
And of course, to know what anti-Democratic, and severe contempt for cooperating with those with other ideas, mean after living through the devastating tragedy of 2016. When influencers claim to share our goals but won't accept the choices and representatives chosen by the majority, believe they mean just that. They will try to spoil future Democratic elections and aspirations..
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Start with a blank sheet of paper, from ground zero and work with requirements to find the most perfect nominee. I know this is not the way it's done. It's typically a giant fiasco
and anyone can run if they want to. So reality doesn't match the way I think it should happen. No surprise there
For 2016, HRC was always called the presumptive nominee. And everyone else tried to play catch up and knock her off the throne 
By the time; f the election she was bruised and soiled
The problem with blank sheets is the enormous advantage it gives the character assassins; they had several vicious assassination narratives created for mostly blank sheeet I-Sanders that they never needed.
The huge weakness they exploited for her wasn't that. She was well known and had approvals in the 70%s as senator and SoS. It was that she was a woman and this was the presidency. And of course the viciously dishonest libel of a strong progressive liberal as a corrupt corporatist for our party's weakness on the far left -- those wired to lap that stuff up.
Oh, well. The stakes and the setbacks were enormous, but they didn't destroy us. Battle's still on.
It's just such a waste not to be able to turn her loose on some big national problems.
of your convictions and most of all stop over- apologizing.
I think the massive brain washing effort by Rs against Hillary worked. Have said this before - but think it even affected us. Someone said she had baggage I had to stop and think oh wait, she doesn't - they've just subconsciously made us think she's horrible.
What's ironic or hypocritical about what you said about Rs not wanting a strong woman, I have wingnut inlaws who LOVED Hillary when she was running against O. Guess that's anecdotal evidence that Rs are more bigoted with race than gender.
the "evil witch" persona wasn't just RW.
As for "her baggage," it wasn't real. It was RW deceits manufactured over 30 years of RW swiftboating and schlepped around by them, and much of the MSM, wherever she went.
How awful that people are still under the infuence and still haven't noticed that 30 years of fake swiftboating "investigations" never turned up anything the Republicans could have her charged for. Does anyone doubt they would have prosecuted if they had even a fair chance of "locking her up!"?
That's how powerful lies repeatedly constantly can become. Especially when oppositional factions on both right and left double-team their "dishonest Hillary" themes to take out our candidate.
Sigh. Off to bed. Hopefully the power won't go out like it did last night. A wind-blasted but nevertheless balmy 10 degrees compared to what so many DUers have.
We had backbone and the courage of our convictions. Exactly what we need now! Unabashed conviction! IMHO
It really is time to let go.
The young electorate that is beginning to vote is not going to embrace an older generation as much as we want them to. We know their strengths, but they are now best suited to be mentors.
We do need to accept that we need new blood in the Democratic party if we want to inspire the younger voters. It’s time for the Fettermans and the Abrams to name just a few. We have to put forth the sane young passionate Democratic alternates to the GQP’s Boeberts and Greenes.
I wish people like Schiff and Raskin and Whitehouse would show an interest. But, I guess we still need them to keep Congress respectable. LOL!
No offense to the OP, I just think Hillary did have her moment, and it has passed. Let her be a consultant.
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You should team up with a younger idealistic running mate. Like to see her with Beto . But that's just my personal dream team. Experience + youth and promise!
Guess that if all Ds stood unabashedly for her she would be thrilled to accommodate ! But pipe dream obviously
He said you can never look at the past through the lens of today, with IT ! There was a time when we all just relied on "that guy from IT" w,ho just told us what to do,. And that Hillary should have honed in on that and definitely not apologized.
I hear ya... Just hoping she sees the past more clearly
Harris just on the edge tho
Sometimes we are called Zennials (that seems to be fading as a label), and some include 1992 as a birth years as well. I am not typical for my age, as I skipped multiple grades and started uni right before I turned 15, so many of my closest friends and classmates are 2 to 4 or so years older than me, plus I am the youngest in my nuclear family. I can deffo relate more to a 1991 or 1992 born person on average than a 2001 or 2002 born one, and the differences are pretty stark on the gens-related subreddits. I also grew up in London (and have lived in Sweden for well over 4 years now, after a few years in the US), so realise that the cultural gap between me and continuously US-dwelling, mostly or entirely US-raised people can help flavour and magnify some of those differences as well.
A pretty decent article (I disagree with some things, but overall it is a good primer):
Too Old For Gen Z, Too Young For Millennials: Life As A Confused Zillennial
https://www.refinery29.com/en-gb/generation-zillennial
When 2021’s so-called 'generation battle' erupted, it’s safe to say I felt like a conflicted bystander. Born in 1996, my identity as 'millennial' or 'Gen Z' is often called into question and after reading every definition on the internet, I still don't know where to place myself. As someone who parts their hair both to the side and in the middle, I'm confused about who I should claim as my contemporaries, and the increasingly cringey dialogue surrounding the generational conflict makes the task that much harder.
You might wonder why finding a generation to belong to matters at all but with the internet constantly hammering in the importance of belonging to certain ‘tribes’, figuring out my collective identity has always felt important. Considering that I can remember watching Disney films rented from Blockbuster, I often find myself identifying with millennials – but the minute they start talking about picking their Myspace 'top eight', I feel completely lost. On the other hand, Gen Z uses technology in the same way that I do but as soon as I start reminiscing about putting song lyrics in my MSN status, they all look completely bewildered.
As it turns out, this no man’s land between the internet's two dominant generations has a name all of its own: zillennials. Growing up during the crossover from analogue to digital, zillennials are a product of a changing world, experiencing old and new in quick succession. Classified as a 'micro-generation' of people born between 1993 and 1998, Urban Dictionary defines zillennials as "too young to relate to the core of millennials but too old to relate to the core of Generation Z. They were 2000's kids and transitioned from teenagers to adults during the 2010's."
The zillennial's defining trait might be a constant state of identity crisis but according to a series of Reddit forums, the determining factor seems to come down to whether or not you remember 9/11. Whereas millennials were old enough to fully understand the events of the day, Gen Z might not even have been born; zillennials, meanwhile, likely have hazy memories of the event, with most of us just starting school at the time. It’s this type of experience that underpins the differences between the two groups and solidifies zillennials as a breed of their own.
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Desantis too. No, we don't know how all the moving pieces will play out! Gonna be a wild ride. Were you referring to a MA senate poll for Kerry? Cuz he was ahead in pre-election day polls and exits in 2004. National that is. Didn't realize Rs were bastardizing polls back in 2007
Agree tho... If we just throw out a guess, that the country is 50-50 it means 20% aren't behind it. Rough #s of course. These people may indeed vote D in the end ! But will they be enthusiastic and work? likely not... Probably what happened to HRC.
I think what bothers me the most about this poll is that if it's age concerns, he's not gonna get any younger. And if it's accomplishments, Like you said, it will be difficult to remedy given lane duck position. Here's hoping economy turns around.
Of course all bets are off if ex prez Dipshit I nominee. Actually that would really help JB!
We have strategists?
Never happen. So we will never know
In 2024! She, IMHO, is our best Dem. Know I am a minority of one Arguing birthdates crazy talk. People just don't plain like her is infinitely better than playing an age card!! I know, she's an acquired taste
Media people literally couldn't say any teeny tiny rare positive thing about Hillary without prefacing it with negatives.
I'm annoyed by everyone now saying "Hillary was right about everything" as if it's a surprise. Then why the hell ... oh never mind, don't get me started. When I think of all the people who said they just didn't trust her, just didn't like her, emails, let alone the conspiracy theories and trusting liars who lied about her...
Better late than never, I guess.
