Yeah, I know---this will piss off and disgust some here, but some will agree.

Yup

then we are doomed

disagreeing with what the law and voting public have decided and agreed upon, maybe we could actually have an active security force that would be in place BEFORE any problem arose - should somebody see a potential problem (yeah, wouldn't THAT be different!).

And besides, I don't believe we have anybody in any position of authority that would actually fail to 'do whatever would be necessary' to maintain peace and civility. That is to say, there are now people in position to actually uphold the oath that they took when sworn into office.

Let justice prevail.

To their buddies who are in jail or going to jail for their last adventure and does it make any difference with their bravado now

We can, and we will, handle whatever happens.

I will say I do not fear a civil war breaking out and I am hoping Trump and company get what they deserve. But do consider this please:

Attacks on Pacific north-west power stations raise fears for US electric grid
Series of attacks come after assault on North Carolina facilities cut electricity to 40,000

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As first reported by Oregon Public Broadcasting and KUOW Public Radio, there have been at least six attacks, some of which involved firearms and caused residents to lose power. Two of the attacks shared similarities with the incident in Moore county, North Carolina, where two stations were hit by gunfire. Authorities have not yet revealed a motive for the North Carolina attack.

Link - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/09/us-power-grid-pacific-northwest-attacks
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While authorities do not know who or why these occurred, it raises the question were any Trumpers involved. Food for thought.

Couldn’t agree more.

The less likely they are to act with violence. It is how bullies work.

In 1861, the South was united in it's support of slavery. The state's rights argument for the US Civil War fails to address that the right the Southern state's wanted was that of slavery.

Yes, the South was also upset about taxes, but I don't see taxes cited in the Confederate Constitution whereas slavery is. Also, the KKK formed in the aftermath of the Civil War, and I don't know of any anti-tax organizations formed circa 1871 [when the Klan was formed].

I don't see any uniting issue in the GOP today. Trump? MAGA? Stop The Steal? Immigrants? Owning the libs? They are fractured and we're watching the Grand Old Party, the Party of Lincoln, the Party that once stood itself fractured over how to address slavery yet stood together to fight and end it, is a mess. Yes, thousands came to D.C. to Stop The Steal, but it was only the dumbest of the dumb and their "tactics" showed them to be overall very inept. Yes, there were those who brought weapons, and a person of interest remains at large for bring pipe bombs to D.C.

So we need to

And you're welcome in mine.

So damn sick of threats from these assholes. We need the Ukraine level “Hell No” to save our freedom and democracy. Put the damn zombies down.

they will keep pushing and threatening and intimidating until they are stopped.

If they know that they will be greeted by a solid force, they will scatter like the cowardly vermin they are. It's how terrorists act.

My sentiments exactly

Thank You.......I agree with you 100%.

I think we have compromised LE that are trying to walk both sides of the fence. The problem is: we have compromised LE.

I don’t disagree with the strategy, but it’s best not to get emotional about it. Clouds the mind. Revenge is a delicacy best served cold.

I can't think of a thing to add, as it's all been said.

when the club DUES ($$) come around NO ONE WILL COUGH UP THE DOUGH!

and I've stood my ground (unarmed) against bikers, so I doubt the Beer Gut Brigades would be that much more of a challenge.

These guys are being led around by Russian trolls. That's why they think they're so hot to kill the rest of us.

Most of them are probably the kind who will pass out at the sight of blood. Don't ask me how I know.

In any case, the war they start will be a short one. There won't be much left of them. They'll never see it coming.

Oh, and they can keep calling us snowflakes. Know what you get when enough snowflakes get together?

An avalanche.

A previous, fairly extensive gig a few years ago included inserting 18G I.V.'s for contrast infusion. Averaged 2 per week were MAGA hatted local biker gang dipshits. (Don't misread me here, I rode cycles up to about a decade ago, just never played that gang shit) Covered head to toe in tattoo's.
But whine and cry like big spoiled babies when it's time to stick. Damn near every one.

but I'll bet you thought about it. I always did. A good fantasy life is essential in health care.

I think some screaming might have been involved when my broken hip was xrayed. Other than that, I tend to be stoic.

But if I had a dime for every swaggering macho asshole who passed out at the sight of a needle....

to undermine the United Stated through misinformation, AKA propaganda.

who was in it for the lulz and wanted to see the world burn. He claims to have had nothing to do with it since 2017 or so. What they've done since then is pretty sophisticated and incredibly dangerous.

I hope the FBI is working overtime on it. It needs to be completely exposed for what it is.

I am retired in a rural, red VA county that votes Republican from 65-35 to 70-30. One local guy rented a 40-passenger luxury coach to take himself and his friends to the Jan 6 rally -- tickets sold out, he had to lay on a second bus. Yard signs for Democratic candidates -- national, state, or local -- are habitually stolen defaced, or shot full of holes. Bumper stickers that identify you as a Democrat will get you tailgated; pass you, whip in front of you and slam on their brakes; confronted in the grocery store parking lot.. I've identified eight Proud Boys, III percenters, and Oath Keepers from their trucks (black, jacked up, loud exhaust, lots of decals on rear window), their open carry pistols, and their dress.

Because of the Democratic bumper stickers on my truck, I had pistol pointed at me one time -- at the local dump -- guy pulled a pistol, shouted "All you %$#^&&% Democrats should be shot." -- I responded by pulling my pistol, told him if he pointed a firearm at me, I would kill him on the spot. That was during the 2016 campaign. None of these assholes bother me; sheriff told me the word got around to not fuck with the old guy in the old Ford truck -- the one with the Vietnam Vet, Airborne, Ranger, Special Forces decals. I carry a pistol in all of my vehicles; my daily driver old f-250 has pistol, AR-15, and shotgun, unloaded but lots of loaded magazines and ammo at hand.

Several of my old retired Democrat friends are as heavily armed as I am, including several of the democratic ladies.

We Democrats are too damn nice.

If we give in to threats, MAGAs will use them to terrorize the rest of us.

But it's also wise to be prepared for violence as a reaction to the indictments.

their side, but I'd like to remark that the anger on our side is there too, if anything, it's a low, shimmering, ready to explode anger if we're provoked enough. We've have heard enough of these tRUMP nuts and freaks freaking out from day 1, and frankly, I'm sick and tired of it, tired of hearing about it constantly, and the endless whining. And from what I've seen, most of them on the tRUMP side are cowards anyway.

You're absolutely right, in stating that 'Not wanting to hurt people is not the same as "won't fight back". Right is might, in my book. When you are right, and we are, by following our Constitution and upholding the laws of the land as so many do, those that think shredding the Constitution and doing away with all of its amendments and protections, have another thing coming.

Be well.

This rot has got to be dug out no matter how painful and who it pisses off.

All of this tip toeing and appeasement is only emboldening dangerous criminals.

If we give in, we are done.

It's far worse to give in to bullies.

No one is going to take to the streets for that asshole. Where most of these knuckleheads come from, there are no streets to take. They’re not going to March into the cities and riot, they’re not going to burn down their own nursing homes. Outside of some isolated terrorist incidents, which are already happening anyway, no one is going to do anything except whine on Truth, Facebook and Twitter and annoy their sane family members.

These people aren’t to be feared. They’re to be pitied, if you can still muster some up.

They would lose it all. And they know that. Just like everyone else, they take prescription nedication and battle health issues. They would rather threaten than take any real action.

We'll have a few fringe groups that will do something stupid. But they were going to do something stupid regardless.

and if some blood gets spilled, they might learn something.

That whole idea is flawed. It’s not as though there’s an easily identified librul enclave to attack and defend against. We’re the majority, we look just like them, and we’re everywhere. Attack liberal institutions like some universities or DNCC headquarters? Enjoy prison. And if that damned pandemic taught us anything it taught us we can work together without being in the same place. Attack government institutions? That’s not civil war, buddy, that’s a coup. Attack cities? Hello National Guard.

It’s a stupid claim and though I’m all for being humane and discursive and listening to those who disagree, we’ve got institutions for that. I personally don’t have to listen to anybody. So go on, you keyboard warriors. Fuck around and find out.

When dey come to take our guns!!!
We've been waiting for over 50 years for this!!
Duh. Yup.
It's gonna happun. Fox News said.

(I'm actually not kidding here. During TFG's reign of idiocy, I was contracted in Calaveras county. The local paper's front page story was on a meeting of local law enforcement with a local militia planning their response.)

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry in disbelief.

Gotta hand it to them. They provide their own bread (sometimes) and circuses.

applied as a reason for not prosecuting.

More of a worst-case possibility that must be considered by those who study and apply these things.

And that gives the 24/7/365 pundit brigades something to grab attention with when it's slipping. As always, no one's forcing us to watch or listen to them earn their living.

is indicted. I agree that no decision-maker has voiced this concern, but a quick Google will turn up plenty of "discussion".

Thanks for your response. Your posts are always worth reading.

of these threats. Big surprise with, MAGAs, the most prone to endorsing violence, only about 15% of politically engaged Americans.

Bloviation v appalled rejection in RW armchairs" more like.

Graham's such an ass.

First, I believe most of the concern is exaggerated.
Second, for those most radical among them, it won't be as easy as they think.

Putin, his thugs, his brainwashed population, his oligarchs not-yet-pushed-out-of-windows, the terror he so enjoys inflicting -- and half of Europe. If we - United States and Ukraine -- worry only about a sick terrorist's lies, and if we tiptoe around Russia's hallucinations and red lines, Ukraine will weaken and fall. And if Ukraine loses, we all lose. But iff Ukraine ups the ante, I believe Putin can no longer play.

So tip-toing around Trump and philosophizing over indictments, is not unlike cowering to Putin and his insane and hopefully impotant posturing. Trump tries to emulate Putin's destructive proclivities, so we must resist any temptation to let him go free for ANY reason. If we indict him and put him behind bars, it will be in a straight jacket, and we will have a better chance dealing with his die-hard worshippers. It's been said that Russia's pre-Ukraine-war had an economy the size of California. Now it is being decimated, and now is our chance to win.

Similarly, if we Democrats cower at threats made by sociopathic liars, we have already lost. If Democrats see our domestic fascists for the unprepared unimaginative cowards they are, they can easily be defeated and deflated. Domestic terrorism has no centralized command or resources to match even a tiny portion of America's potential power. Even magats embedded in the military, law enforcement, Congress, politics, and churches will be relatively powerless -- unless we fail to dig them out. We must find and USE the antidote for the poison in our democracy.

(Atticus, if I've echoed your words, I can only say that "we all stand on the shoulders of giants."

We liberals are not intimidated by gun talk. Some of us have guns and awards for marksmanship. The last deer I shot was 285 yards away.

It all depends on who defines "these skulking cowardly thugs". If it is Trump describing his liberal detractors, for instance, there is a whole army of skulking masked cowardly thugs who will happily agree to it.

And, if it takes "Lethal Prosecution" I am all for that as well. Tired of The Tail Wagging the Dog, insurrectionists that are trying to destroy MY Country, and as EX Military, I would take up arms against these folks. We have done it in the past, and we can do it again, NOW.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic" and I am not afraid of those cowards.

RWNJ criminals have been prosecuted for decades and I can't recall a single solitary "vengeance" crime involved.

People who talk nonstop about "fear of reprisals" are looking for attention or clicks.

That 2 years after J6... some deranged RWNJ is going to SNAP and target people or gov't for prosecuting the clowns of J6.

That's stuff of fiction.

99.999% of these people are cowards and wouldn't even think of actual violence.

if they get a pass because they make threats.

Are we a nation of laws, or men?

358 sentenced insurrectionists, 553 convicted insurrectionists -- all those 911 criminals have families and communities who are, like it or not, learning that they can send their cavalry to fight the Law, and the Law WON. Their delusional maps of their world are getting revised toward reality, whether they like that or not.

1,337 more indicted and charged individuals, their families and communities across all fifty states, are getting 'due processed' toward the same realizations.

At the lower end, the Dept of Justice shows the scale of justice has stopped them and their networks who are violently inclined. They're grumbling on the nets, and they know they're being monitored. They also know, deep down, that the majority of Americans ain't havin' it.

Fights like theirs aren't fights they win, they're fights they have just wanted to fight.
So fuck all the 'liberal snowflake' delusions they hold dear.
How I think the chips will fall: They know their asses are gonna get beat. Because Jack Smith ain't havin' it, either.

...and if our nation cannot handle prosecuting the thugs who tried to overturn our government--and I mean ALL of them--then we have already lost democracy.

I completely agree. Arrest and put him on trial.

Too many times, Republicans have not been held to account for their CRIMES.

They will not stop until they are made to feel significant pain.

It's getting a little late to clean up this mess. Especially with a mild-mannered judge in the role of Attorney General.

Those very words - “look forward, not back” - ring of nothing but a PR push by the guilty themselves.

They're nothing less than a call for impunity - not matter what the crime.

Not surprisingly, many a Nazi and Latin dictatorship thug has used that very language over the years - and for good reason.

It sounds so darn “conciliatory” - even while the guilty plot their revenge for being “inconvenienced.”

there are a large number of frothing at the mouth fools - they would deserve whatever happens to their foolish selves for starting a such civil war.

Look at the conviction of those who tried to kidnap my Governor. Let's fill the jails with them if we must.

If they want to take on the US military, they should go for it.

I don't own an assault weapon but I have 28 years of Army training on how to use one. I have a shotgun and my grandfather's .22 pistol to report for duty. If the shooting starts, there will be plenty of appropriate weapons lying around.

Lots of bravado, but when it comes down to it, the only people who think Trump is worth fighting over and possibly either dying or going to prison to defend, are nut jobs themselves. We saw their work on January 6th and a lot of them are in prison now, or unemployed.

We need to prosecute these unpatriotic, un-American traitors to the full extent of the law, and stop with the leniency. They're lawbreakers and we are a nation of laws. Break the law, you get a fair trial and if convicted, you serve the time.

Examples should have been made of these thugs on January 6th. I'm afraid we didn't do enough.

honestly i wouldn't mind seeing some of these groups drawn out so they can be arrested and broken. no, i'm not rooting for violence, i don't want anyone hurt... but these maniacs are going to attack one way or another so better to have them do it in a hasty haphazard fashion when drumpf gets arrested then having them organizing, planning and amassing like they did on Jan 6.

so, by all means, piss them off. we can't keep them happy AND have a functioning democracy. you can only pick one

I don't get it. If Trump is prosecuted, his supporters will either go on to the next thing or keep enjoying being outraged by conspiracy theories online. Of course a few nuts might be violent.

The J6 nuts were economically well-off, as well as his supporters in general. They're not giving up their businesses and nice comfy life (no matter how they cry and moan about being victims of this or that) for Trump. The rest of them saw how J6 went. There's no nut army threatening "the system."

Nuff said