Wed Jan 4, 2023, 01:51 PM

Doesn't this further splitting of the R votes give the D's a chance to get Jeffries in?

If they do they math right, the last 6 or so Dems could not vote and Jeffries would have the majority.

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Doesn't this further splitting of the R votes give the D's a chance to get Jeffries in? (Original post)	Cuthbert Allgood	Jan 4	OP
I heard this discussed	SCantiGOP	Jan 4	#1
So then they need to do that, I guess.	Cuthbert Allgood	Jan 4	#7
I don't disagree	SCantiGOP	Jan 4	#21
He'd need 218 votes for a majority in the House.	Cattledog	Jan 4	#2
Not if people don't vote.	Cuthbert Allgood	Jan 4	#8
You'd need R's not to vote to decrease the denominator in the right way. The D's all need to vote.	Trumpdumper	Jan 4	#3
Not true.	Cuthbert Allgood	Jan 4	#9
The math is the same, there are still 212 Democratic votes	tritsofme	Jan 4	#14
The votes for McCarthy was only split with Donalds. Had it been split more	Cuthbert Allgood	Jan 4	#15
It doesn't matter if Republicans split down the middle, the math doesn't change.	tritsofme	Jan 4	#18
218 to win. We do not have 218 in any way shape or form.	ZonkerHarris	Jan 4	#4
Majority of votes cast to win. Not 218.	Cuthbert Allgood	Jan 4	#10
All Dems would need to vote for Jeffries. It would require some R's voting Present.	LiberalFighter	Jan 4	#5
Nope. Think about the math for a second. A vote for Jeffries adds one to the numerator and	RockRaven	Jan 4	#6
He needs the majority of the votes cast, not a hard 218.	Cuthbert Allgood	Jan 4	#11
He'd need the Rs not to vote. Voting for other people doesn't help	Orangepeel	Jan 4	#12
I get that's what they want, but if my math is correct, we would need 20 no votes	Cuthbert Allgood	Jan 4	#13
The OP asked about Democrats abstaining from voting, that is what my answer addresses.	RockRaven	Jan 4	#20
If a Dem doesn't vote	wryter2000	Jan 4	#16
UPDATE ON THE MATH: Only Donalds got votes, so it won't work	Cuthbert Allgood	Jan 4	#17
Pretty sure the same people who voted for Donalds	onenote	Jan 4	#19
Only if McCarthy voters get pissed and throw	Emile	Jan 4	#22

Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 01:55 PM

SCantiGOP (13,119 posts)

1. I heard this discussed

If they could pull that off, then the Republican majority would have to vote for the rules, in which case they would allow his removal.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 02:03 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,369 posts)

7. So then they need to do that, I guess.

Just further evidence of their clown show.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 04:53 PM

SCantiGOP (13,119 posts)

21. I don't disagree

but I think their current strategy of just sitting back and letting them act like an ungovernable band of idiots is paying dividends.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 01:56 PM

Cattledog (5,674 posts)

2. He'd need 218 votes for a majority in the House.

Possible with less but highly unlikely.

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Response to Cattledog (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 02:03 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,369 posts)

8. Not if people don't vote.

He needs the majority of the votes cast.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 01:57 PM

Trumpdumper (158 posts)

3. You'd need R's not to vote to decrease the denominator in the right way. The D's all need to vote.

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Response to Trumpdumper (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 02:04 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,369 posts)

9. Not true.

You just have to do the math right so that Jeffries gets the majority. It wasn't possible with yesterday's votes, but with them further splitting, the math is doable.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 02:13 PM

tritsofme (15,777 posts)

14. The math is the same, there are still 212 Democratic votes

It would still take 12 Republicans to vote present, regardless of how they split, for 212 to make a majority.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 02:19 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,369 posts)

15. The votes for McCarthy was only split with Donalds. Had it been split more

than the D's could bring the amount down to get the majority.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 02:23 PM

tritsofme (15,777 posts)

18. It doesn't matter if Republicans split down the middle, the math doesn't change.

It still would take 12 Republicans either not showing up or voting present for Jeffries’ 212 votes to constitute a majority.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 01:58 PM

ZonkerHarris (22,339 posts)

4. 218 to win. We do not have 218 in any way shape or form.

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Response to ZonkerHarris (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 02:04 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,369 posts)

10. Majority of votes cast to win. Not 218.

That's why the Rs were asking if some Ds would not vote to give McCarthy the win yesterday.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 01:58 PM

LiberalFighter (45,540 posts)

5. All Dems would need to vote for Jeffries. It would require some R's voting Present.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 01:59 PM

RockRaven (12,314 posts)

6. Nope. Think about the math for a second. A vote for Jeffries adds one to the numerator and

the denominator. That always moves his needle up, no matter how the other votes have been split, and his needle needs to get over 50%.

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 02:05 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,369 posts)

11. He needs the majority of the votes cast, not a hard 218.

The math is doable if McCarthy is losing like 50 R votes to other people.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 02:09 PM

Orangepeel (13,881 posts)

12. He'd need the Rs not to vote. Voting for other people doesn't help

the Rs not voting for McCarthy want to cause chaos. They don't want to help the Democrats.

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Response to Orangepeel (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 02:10 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,369 posts)

13. I get that's what they want, but if my math is correct, we would need 20 no votes

to give Jeffries the majority. Now, I fully realize that the R's should understand that is what they are doing when the 20th to the last D voted present, but they have shown to be stupid.

But the math and the rules work.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 02:42 PM

RockRaven (12,314 posts)

20. The OP asked about Democrats abstaining from voting, that is what my answer addresses.

And nowhere did I cite any specific vote number.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 02:20 PM

wryter2000 (44,905 posts)

16. If a Dem doesn't vote

You lose half a number in the denominator, but you lose a whole number in the numerator. Any Dem not voting is a loss for Jeffries.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 02:22 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,369 posts)

17. UPDATE ON THE MATH: Only Donalds got votes, so it won't work

But if 20 people voted for Donalds and 20 people voted for Jordan, it becomes very possible for Dems voting present to get Jeffries the majority. Seems like the R's aren't as stupid as they seem.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 02:30 PM

onenote (39,378 posts)

19. Pretty sure the same people who voted for Donalds

Voted for Jordan. There aren’t 40 repubs who voted vs McCarthy

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 04:56 PM

Emile (11,702 posts)

22. Only if McCarthy voters get pissed and throw

enough votes to Jefferies and that ain't gonna happen.

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General Discussion (Forum)

Doesn't this further splitting of the R votes give the D's a chance to get Jeffries in?

1. I heard this discussed

7. So then they need to do that, I guess.

21. I don't disagree

2. He'd need 218 votes for a majority in the House.

8. Not if people don't vote.

3. You'd need R's not to vote to decrease the denominator in the right way. The D's all need to vote.

9. Not true.

14. The math is the same, there are still 212 Democratic votes

15. The votes for McCarthy was only split with Donalds. Had it been split more

18. It doesn't matter if Republicans split down the middle, the math doesn't change.

4. 218 to win. We do not have 218 in any way shape or form.

10. Majority of votes cast to win. Not 218.

5. All Dems would need to vote for Jeffries. It would require some R's voting Present.

6. Nope. Think about the math for a second. A vote for Jeffries adds one to the numerator and

11. He needs the majority of the votes cast, not a hard 218.

12. He'd need the Rs not to vote. Voting for other people doesn't help

13. I get that's what they want, but if my math is correct, we would need 20 no votes

20. The OP asked about *Democrats* abstaining from voting, that is what my answer addresses.

16. If a Dem doesn't vote

17. UPDATE ON THE MATH: Only Donalds got votes, so it won't work

19. Pretty sure the same people who voted for Donalds

22. Only if McCarthy voters get pissed and throw

20. The OP asked about Democrats abstaining from voting, that is what my answer addresses.