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Wed Jan 4, 2023, 07:25 PM

A post about different power structures..

And the actual definition of socialism

Socialism is the Workers themselves together equally owning collectively the means of production.

Think co ops run by the people working there with no boss taking the majority of profits for himself..instead the workers share it all together.
This requires that people accept equality and by nature most people are good.

Top down authoritarian structures use any ism to make themselves on top.
Authoritarians,sociopathy ,narcissism is why systems fail or turn authoritarian.

Top down structures require one to see everything as a zero sum game which amounts to if I win,you lose,if you win I lose. Transactional. And who has the most transactional relationships in thier lives?


Either you believe in equality. All deserving of life and security and happiness or ....you Don't .

The idea some people are more worthy of life and others are born inferior. Excuses like fate,destiny and "natural "social orders among other things are used to rationalize top down hierarchies which are all lies..

Vertical power structures or horizontal shared power structures is what its about.

Sociopathy ruins horizontal power structures with its entitlement,arrogant more deserving,better than everyone else,transactional relationships zero sum thinking,fate or destiny bullshit.

Insecure people who don't or were not allowed to see the souce of thier misery because of what they have been taught or were forced to accept as true by thier peers and parents.. and dont ask why things are the way they are can be manipulated to buy into a top down social hierarchical structure despite it being a big source of social misery for everyone else not on top.

And it obscures to them why they are miserable themselves in a top down hierarchy. Nuclear families and gender roles in are tools used reinforce top down hierarchical structures.

Horatio Algiers myths are one such lie capitalism promotes to reinforce top down hierarchy. There are many more like lies about what anarchy really means ,or the actual definition of what socialism really is.

Its different definition than what top down hierarchies say. And the ones on top of top down hierarchies have a selfish interest in confusing people as to what definitions of certain alternative systems non hierarchy based systems really are,and to make you fear them.

Bottom line are people equal and therefore mostly good


Are things "naturally " hierarchical in a society and some people are born inferior or less deserving than others.

That selfish/ nilhilistic belief is what I think underpins alot of the problems in top down social societies.

Narcissism and those who are not narcissists ...in conflict. It has been about this shit conflict since forever.

Right now narcissism is becoming ascendant, again ,and when that goes too far we have fascism.Because narcissists hate to lose and wont admit to themselves they are a problem for everyone.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 07:31 PM

1. Yup, do we live in a jungle or a society?

Jungle advocates have been waging war to prove it.

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Response to KPN (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 07:37 PM

2. Exactly

And these jungle assholes need to be knocked of the pedestals they build for themselves at every opportunity if we want genuine fairness,morality,kindness,empathy,freedom and justice to prevail.

It requires each of us to stand up against abuse and abuse of power because ultimately it does affect each of us,personally .

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Response to KPN (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 07:39 PM

3. People who live in real jungles band together to help each other...nt

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 4, 2023, 07:43 PM

4. Yes

Altruism and empathy is what makes for our well being and survival not survival of the "fittest"

It has been found out ancient peoples took care of the disabled and suffering.

Narcissists get off on the idea of making the suffering among us inferior born to ,suffer.more and die off. This is a lie.

Survival of the fittest and since I survive better than you do allegedly I deserve more than you do. is a fucking lie .

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