Wed Jan 11, 2023, 12:34 AM

Roland99 (53,082 posts)

DU apparently needs to be told when something is or isn't sarcasm

FFS

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45 replies	Author	Time	Post
DU apparently needs to be told when something is or isn't sarcasm (Original post)	Roland99	Jan 11	OP
I think many of us are a bit tightly wound.	Turbineguy	Jan 11	#1
A bit?	Cheezoholic	Jan 11	#29
more than a BIT	Skittles	Jan 11	#33
chacun son got /ˌSHkən sn ˈɡo͞o/	elleng	Jan 11	#2
A chacun son gout.	Igel	Jan 11	#22
My recollection, from studying French in High School,	elleng	Jan 11	#23
"Chacun a" is how I learned conversationally when I lived in France for a year	unblock	Jan 11	#45
I missed it.	herding cats	Jan 11	#3
It is necessary.	betsuni	Jan 11	#4
IMO	NJCher	Jan 11	#5
So if someone feels Trump will not face anything serious they are mentally ill?	former9thward	Jan 11	#12
I guess we're depressed, too. 🤨	LakeArenal	Jan 11	#15
that's an example	NJCher	Jan 11	#25
Thank you!	ZZenith	Jan 11	#30
It was an odd spot for a joke	dpibel	Jan 11	#6
A lot of people cognitively cannot comprehend sarcasm	unblock	Jan 11	#7
I'm always learning and had never been around people	multigraincracker	Jan 11	#38
What does this refer to?	Ocelot II	Jan 11	#8
The active shooter in barracks thread with the start "awesome text". nt	NutmegYankee	Jan 11	#10
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217549263	dpibel	Jan 11	#13
It's quite possible the replies knew it was sarcasm, but thought sarcasm was inappropriate	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 11	#39
Sarcasm is easier for me to notice in person	BigmanPigman	Jan 11	#9
Thank you!	Karma13612	Jan 11	#34
It's not just the fact that republicon actions have nearly eliminated sarcasm & satire,	FoxNewsSucks	Jan 11	#11
Seemed pretty obviously sarcasm to me.	Ocelot II	Jan 11	#14
Yes I like to know. I also like context.	LakeArenal	Jan 11	#16
That is why ...	Raine	Jan 11	#17
Where do we find that?	claudette	Jan 11	#19
Click on the smilies button then click the three dots at the very end. It opens up more options	chowder66	Jan 11	#20
Thanks	claudette	Jan 11	#42
Click smilies then right next to the memorial candle	Raine	Jan 11	#21
Thanks	claudette	Jan 11	#43
Why do you say that?	claudette	Jan 11	#18
Was It The Post About The Potential Active Shooter? nt	SoCalDavidS	Jan 11	#24
In real life human interactions, tone indicates sarcasm	ColinC	Jan 11	#26
it can	NJCher	Jan 11	#28
Yup ❤️	Karma13612	Jan 11	#37
Of course! Not everyone gets	Cha	Jan 11	#27
Why not just do it so there is no problem.	patricia92243	Jan 11	#31
Yup	Karma13612	Jan 11	#36
yes, lots of whining here lately too	Skittles	Jan 11	#32
When someone	Karma13612	Jan 11	#35
Sarcasm does not work on the internet because no matter how broad & obvious it is	elocs	Jan 11	#40
Everyone does. Sarcasm often simply does not work in written form. Anywhere, not just on DU.	Scrivener7	Jan 11	#41
Been that way since at least 2003. It's why we have a sarcasm smilie.	ms liberty	Jan 11	#44

Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 12:36 AM

Turbineguy (35,865 posts)

1. I think many of us are a bit tightly wound.

I certainly am. Sometimes the

thingy is needed.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 02:23 AM

Cheezoholic (1,346 posts)

29. A bit?

I can see springs snappin' around here a lot of times lol. But considering the overall environment the last 7 years its to be expected

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 04:27 AM

Skittles (148,707 posts)

33. more than a BIT

yes INDEED

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 12:39 AM

elleng (123,018 posts)

2. chacun son got /ˌSHkən sn ˈɡo͞o/

each to their own taste.
"personally, I'd prefer a soft cow's milk cheese, but as they say “chacun à son goût”"

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Response to elleng (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:41 AM

Igel (33,545 posts)

22. A chacun son gout.

To each his (own) taste.

Morphed commonly in some backwaters to "chacun a son gout" (each to his own taste).

My brief stint of learning French was European, not Canadian.

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Response to Igel (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:48 AM

elleng (123,018 posts)

23. My recollection, from studying French in High School,

Long Island NY. THIS quoted above: Definitions from Oxford Languages

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Response to Igel (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 05:54 PM

unblock (51,291 posts)

45. "Chacun a" is how I learned conversationally when I lived in France for a year

"A chacun" is more literary, that might be preferred in books or more formally, but I never heard that construction when I was in France.

To be fair, that was decades ago, and such things change over time.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 12:44 AM

herding cats (18,898 posts)

3. I missed it.

Perhaps this is like the death of satire?

These days it's difficult to tell reality from a humorous fake.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 12:46 AM

betsuni (22,229 posts)

4. It is necessary.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 12:47 AM

NJCher (32,502 posts)

5. IMO

a certain percentage of DU is depressed and has other mental issues.

But then, so does the U.S. population as a whole.

I just wish they wouldn't come on this board and project their negative point of view, prognosticating that trump will never be held to account; Santos either.

I think it's a form of acting out but it has the overall effect of making other posters feel like the state of affairs is hopeless. I don't like to see that because nothing's perfect and that's our job as humans: to make things better.

The majority of people give a fair assessment in their opinions, however.

OTOH, most republicans are out and out sociopaths, and I am not exaggerating. The rubes who vote for them are suckers.

So I'll take a percentage of people depressed over The Criminal Party any day.

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Response to NJCher (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:07 AM

former9thward (28,562 posts)

12. So if someone feels Trump will not face anything serious they are mentally ill?

Ok, Dr., thanks for the diagnosis...

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Response to former9thward (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:13 AM

LakeArenal (25,867 posts)

15. I guess we're depressed, too. 🤨

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Response to former9thward (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:59 AM

NJCher (32,502 posts)

25. that's an example

after you read an example, you're supposed to extrapolate.

Also, it's not the POV, it's the consistent negativity, the complete and total hopelessness. It's the same people, over and over and over.

It almost always takes the form of prognostication.

If you fit into that category, just think about your effect on the overall cause.

Consider the fact that a message board is not the appropriate outlet for such feelings. I'm not talking just about DU, I'm talking about any political message board.

There is a mental health forum here. Perhaps that is an appropriate outlet.

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Response to NJCher (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 03:09 AM

ZZenith (3,855 posts)

30. Thank you!

Excellently stated.

Yes, as the stressors in the world increase in number and severity some will turn to sarcasm as a means of coping, while others will have no patience for anything but clear and sincere communication. And then there’s the group who rely on their own pessimism to see themselves through, constantly guarding themselves from any possible disappointment. They are to be pitied.

There’s also, unfortunately, the type who intentionally spread negativity as a means of subtle mind control, sapping our energy and making it more difficult to effect positive change in the world. They are to be shunned.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 12:48 AM

dpibel (2,225 posts)

6. It was an odd spot for a joke

IMHO

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 12:52 AM

unblock (51,291 posts)

7. A lot of people cognitively cannot comprehend sarcasm

Well, for some it's something in their dna, for others it's cultural. Brits tend to use sarcasm a lot, so they are better at picking up on it. But not all Brits...

America isn't nearly as big on sarcasm, so even people who could learn simply aren't exposed to it enough.

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Response to unblock (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 06:50 AM

multigraincracker (29,863 posts)

38. I'm always learning and had never been around people

on a certain spectrum of psych pathology. I now have a future brother-in-law that is on the autism spectrum. He does not understand humor. My bad.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 12:54 AM

Ocelot II (107,207 posts)

8. What does this refer to?

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Response to Ocelot II (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:01 AM

NutmegYankee (15,745 posts)

10. The active shooter in barracks thread with the start "awesome text". nt

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Response to Ocelot II (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:11 AM

dpibel (2,225 posts)

13. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217549263

Subject line: Awesome text from my daughter: "There's an active shooter at my old barracks" Ft Carson, CO

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Response to dpibel (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 07:27 AM

muriel_volestrangler (99,244 posts)

39. It's quite possible the replies knew it was sarcasm, but thought sarcasm was inappropriate

for what had been painted as a life-or-death situation.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 12:58 AM

BigmanPigman (48,880 posts)

9. Sarcasm is easier for me to notice in person

That is one reason why I add the

thing to my sarcastic posts and comments. I think that facial expressions and tone of voice help me to identify if someone is being sarcastic. I could never tell when my dad was sarcastic and neither could half of my mother's family, which was often amusing.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 05:14 AM

Karma13612 (4,303 posts)

34. Thank you!

Sarcasm is hard to do on the internet, especially when you also are not acquainted with the person expressing the thought.

And with the outlandish crap hitting the fan for real lately, some stuff is hard to distinguish.

I was all worked up about something to do with a Medicare/Social Security program and it turned out to be just a hypothesis.

Yes, I am wound too tight. But that hypothesis COULD have been real. And that’s what was scary.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:05 AM

FoxNewsSucks (9,887 posts)

11. It's not just the fact that republicon actions have nearly eliminated sarcasm & satire,

there are those here who actively look for posts to alert on because they don't like the poster's point of view. So the sarcasm thingy is needed for clarification.

Shouldn't be, but is.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:12 AM

Ocelot II (107,207 posts)

14. Seemed pretty obviously sarcasm to me.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:15 AM

LakeArenal (25,867 posts)

16. Yes I like to know. I also like context.

And yes I sometimes miss the satire.

Edit: FFS… How much longer does it take to add the sarcasm emoji? Lazy?

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:22 AM

Raine (29,494 posts)

17. That is why ...

we have

and

to use.

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Response to Raine (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:35 AM

claudette (863 posts)

19. Where do we find that?

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Response to claudette (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:38 AM

chowder66 (7,978 posts)

20. Click on the smilies button then click the three dots at the very end. It opens up more options

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Response to chowder66 (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 10:10 AM

claudette (863 posts)

42. Thanks

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Response to claudette (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:40 AM

Raine (29,494 posts)

21. Click smilies then right next to the memorial candle

the square with the three dots to bring up more smiles.

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Response to Raine (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 10:10 AM

claudette (863 posts)

43. Thanks

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:30 AM

claudette (863 posts)

18. Why do you say that?

What do you mean. I think I missed the post

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:58 AM

SoCalDavidS (9,991 posts)

24. Was It The Post About The Potential Active Shooter? nt

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 02:00 AM

ColinC (7,308 posts)

26. In real life human interactions, tone indicates sarcasm

On message boards and written speech, sarcasm must be defined in other ways.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 02:14 AM

NJCher (32,502 posts)

28. it can

but in the field of speech communication, "tone" communicates the emotional "take" on the situation.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 05:24 AM

Karma13612 (4,303 posts)

37. Yup ❤️

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 02:02 AM

Cha (284,052 posts)

27. Of course! Not everyone gets

everyone's Sarcasm.

It doesn't hurt.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 03:40 AM

patricia92243 (12,414 posts)

31. Why not just do it so there is no problem.

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Response to patricia92243 (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 05:24 AM

Karma13612 (4,303 posts)

36. Yup

❤️

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 04:26 AM

Skittles (148,707 posts)

32. yes, lots of whining here lately too

it's as if people have no clue they can simply IGNORE a post

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Response to Skittles (Reply #32)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 05:23 AM

Karma13612 (4,303 posts)

35. When someone

Misinterprets something as real, and it involves some new Republican legislation-from-hades, then a sarcasm tag is needed.

I was tripped up by a post on a Social Security/Medicare “pilot” program. Turns out it was a harmless joke.

It shook me up because I know that is something The Republicans are eager to do, cut the social safety net.

A sarcasm tag would have been helpful. I researched the topic and determined there was no proposed pilot program. At 69, this kinda stuff is scary as 💩.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:15 AM

elocs (21,750 posts)

40. Sarcasm does not work on the internet because no matter how broad & obvious it is

somebody will completely agree with it and shout, "Amen!" And providing a label that indicates it is sarcasm pretty much defeats the point of making it.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 09:23 AM

Scrivener7 (47,405 posts)

41. Everyone does. Sarcasm often simply does not work in written form. Anywhere, not just on DU.

What most of us here DON'T need to do is make a thread complaining about that fact.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 10:22 AM

ms liberty (7,488 posts)

44. Been that way since at least 2003. It's why we have a sarcasm smilie.

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