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Sun Jan 22, 2023, 04:08 PM

It's the guns

“Although opponents of sensible gun control…continue to put the spotlight on the shooters’ motivations or unstable mental states, these are cynical diversions from the one obvious truth: The common thread…is the absurdly easy access to guns.”


We know what the problem is
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.add1854

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Roland99 Jan 2023 OP
MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #1
AndyS Jan 2023 #2
Mr.Bill Jan 2023 #4
moondust Jan 2023 #3
erronis Jan 2023 #5
Straw Man Jan 2023 #6
Kaleva Jan 2023 #8
Elessar Zappa Jan 2023 #11
SYFROYH Jan 2023 #9
Elessar Zappa Jan 2023 #10
Tripper11 Jan 2023 #7
Straw Man Jan 2023 #12

Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Sun Jan 22, 2023, 04:16 PM

1. +100. nt

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Sun Jan 22, 2023, 04:22 PM

2. It's absolutely stupid that our 'representative governmnet' continues to feed the

monster that's killing us.

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Response to AndyS (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 22, 2023, 06:45 PM

4. It's because that monster

is feeding the politicians. The republican ones, anyway.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Sun Jan 22, 2023, 04:26 PM

3. There have always been "unstable mental states."

Globally.

From long-term to the impulsive "snap" due to a triggering event.

It's not the muskets wielded by a well regulated Militia as necessary to the security of a free State.

It's the guns.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Sun Jan 22, 2023, 06:53 PM

5. It is the weapons - WMD - Weapons of Mass Destruction

WMD - A favorite of the right-wing when someone else/others have them. OK when they are in the hands of self-styled patriots.

I'm anticipating a new class of mass-destruction weapon that every Tom, Dick, and Harry can have in their pockets and use it to take out 10, 100, 1,000 people in short order.

Who knows. Perhaps a handheld laser pulsed at the terahertz level?

What will the 2nd Amendment folks say if isn't a bullet-spewing WMD? Is it different somehow?

What will the politicians and other K-Street suited consorts say when they, and their families and drinking buddies can be taken out from a mile away without a trace?

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Sun Jan 22, 2023, 08:18 PM

6. Here's the thing:

The AR-15 has been for sale on the civilian market since 1964, at which time there were no background checks whatsoever for firearm purchases. Rifles could be mail-ordered to the buyer's home. Prior to 1968, serial numbers were not required on firearms. Guns were manifestly easier to obtain legally than they are now.

Obviously, something has changed.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 22, 2023, 09:03 PM

8. Some of us remember when kids could take guns to school

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 22, 2023, 09:20 PM

11. Violent crime is still lower

than it was in the 70s, 80s and 90s.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 22, 2023, 09:15 PM

9. It always surprised me how little people want to talk about what changed.


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Response to Straw Man (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 22, 2023, 09:19 PM

10. Something has changed.

Violent crime, including murder, is lower now than it was in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Mass shootings are more common now but there’s also far fewer serial killers.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Sun Jan 22, 2023, 09:00 PM

7. It's not the guns....it's the deeply rooted mentality

I think it's the gun mentality. Asking the question how do we get the guns out of the hands of these people, or any similar question is not the right one.
I believe the right one is how do you change the gun mentality? How do you change Americans minds that it is your "god given right" or another reason to have a gun.
Nothing will change with any type of legislation.
America needs to change its mindset about gun ownership.
I think it needs to be a change in thinking, and that change will take generations.

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Response to Tripper11 (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 23, 2023, 03:50 AM

12. We see the problem differently.

I have no problem with people thinking it's their right to have a gun, god-given or otherwise. The problem is people that want to kill a large number of the fellow human beings in one berserk rampage.

As has been stated elsewhere, "regular" violent crime is down. The frequency of these mass-killing incidents is up. Something is seriously wrong with the zeitgeist.

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