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Baitball Blogger

(46,702 posts)
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 03:04 PM Mar 2023

Free kill families. This seems to be real in Florida, though it's the first time I heard of it.

Families fight to change Florida's 'free kill' law

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — Chances are, you or someone you know is a so-called "free kill" in the state of Florida. Someone not married, with no kids, and older than 25.

If you fit that description and die as a result of medical negligence, your loved ones are not able to sue for grief, pain, or suffering.

At Tradition Hospital in 2019, Marcia Scheppler said her 29-year-old son Jo Jo with down syndrome and autism was having a reaction to medication.

Terrified of hospitals, she needed help getting him inside but said surveillance shows medical staff wouldn’t admit him or help bring him in.

The delay in treatment, Scheppler said, led to his untimely death. Scheppler wanted to sue for medical negligence, but learned because of who Jo Jo was, she couldn’t sue for more than the cost of a funeral.


https://www.wptv.com/news/state/families-fight-to-change-floridas-free-kill-law

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Free kill families. This seems to be real in Florida, though it's the first time I heard of it. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Mar 2023 OP
If you aren't married and/or pushing out babies, you're worthless. CousinIT Mar 2023 #1
We need to keep track of the women who are dying during failed Baitball Blogger Mar 2023 #3
It passed the Florida legislature 30 years ago!!!!! jimfields33 Mar 2023 #8
This seems to be Only in Florida Farmer-Rick Mar 2023 #28
Does it apply to incels too? Captain Zero Mar 2023 #33
This is totally appalling! Diamond_Dog Mar 2023 #2
I'd love to know when this passed. Seems so odd. jimfields33 Mar 2023 #7
According to article, Diamond_Dog Mar 2023 #9
Thank you! That was decades ago. Weird law but I guess back then the politicians jimfields33 Mar 2023 #10
I cannot believe it was passed into law! Diamond_Dog Mar 2023 #12
So if you lose your 26 year old daughter and sue for your loss it is a frivolous lawsuit? Dustlawyer Mar 2023 #19
Yep - that's how I understand it, Diamond_Dog Mar 2023 #20
Attracting medical professionals???? Farmer-Rick Mar 2023 #29
Certainty they won't have to worry Diamond_Dog Mar 2023 #36
Then theres that poor woman in TN XanaDUer2 Mar 2023 #4
Why, hospitals are there to relieve your wallet of your savings, and Trailrider1951 Mar 2023 #30
Well, considering how hospitals are wnylib Mar 2023 #34
I would think after the last 6-7 years or so, the answer to this quote... hippywife Mar 2023 #5
I am going to be perfectly frank. I came across this piece of info eavesdropping Baitball Blogger Mar 2023 #16
That isn't equal protection IbogaProject Mar 2023 #6
The article also says it's minor children d_r Mar 2023 #11
Is Florida trying to become the worst state in the country? Initech Mar 2023 #13
I guess it did 30 years ago when it passed this. jimfields33 Mar 2023 #14
They have been pushing Libertarian for some time. Baitball Blogger Mar 2023 #17
It's just one more reason to never set foot in the state of Floriduh FakeNoose Mar 2023 #15
Un-fkn-believable. I'm never ever gonna step foot in Florida again. This is BS. iluvtennis Mar 2023 #18
Lebensunwertes Leben. Girard442 Mar 2023 #21
Florida seems to be going full Nazi Warpy Mar 2023 #22
Ah Ha alotus51 Mar 2023 #23
I wonder how many Florida residents even know this law exists? peggysue2 Mar 2023 #24
Yes, Republicans were convinced by their doctor friends marybourg Mar 2023 #25
What comes to my mind is the angels of death Farmer-Rick Mar 2023 #31
My mother, who spent winters in FL, marybourg Mar 2023 #35
Lots of the doctors here have no insurance anyway bedazzled Mar 2023 #37
And all their assets are in the Caymen Islands marybourg Mar 2023 #38
Do the MAGA in The Villages know about this? Marcuse Mar 2023 #26
I hate Florida more and more each day. Meadowoak Mar 2023 #27
Maybe turn the individual doctors and nurses in to their medical Ilsa Mar 2023 #32
WTF live love laugh Mar 2023 #39
The whole "Death Panel" thing was projection ThoughtCriminal Mar 2023 #40
Exactly. niyad Mar 2023 #41
I've definitely scratched it off my "places to retire" list. roamer65 Mar 2023 #42

CousinIT

(9,241 posts)
1. If you aren't married and/or pushing out babies, you're worthless.
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 03:18 PM
Mar 2023

That seems to be the message. Nice country. Pfft.

Baitball Blogger

(46,702 posts)
3. We need to keep track of the women who are dying during failed
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 03:21 PM
Mar 2023

pregnancies and because of birthing issues. It will be the only way to get the support needed to fight against Neanderthal men who don't care about the pain they're inflicting on young women and their families.

Farmer-Rick

(10,163 posts)
28. This seems to be Only in Florida
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 05:51 PM
Mar 2023

This is absolutely horrible. All these "free kills" have parents.

Technically speaking my children fit this category. Yet, I they have significant others who live with them. This is an awful law.

That poor woman who had a heart attack while refusing to leave the ER in TN would have fit the free kill law. It's just an excuse for incompetence. And an advertisement for serial killers.

Captain Zero

(6,805 posts)
33. Does it apply to incels too?
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 06:04 PM
Mar 2023

I can't see why it wouldn't.
So no reason to treat their gun Wounds when they roll into the ER.

Diamond_Dog

(31,983 posts)
9. According to article,
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 03:50 PM
Mar 2023

“The law was passed more than 30 years ago with the idea of preventing frivolous lawsuits and attracting medical professionals to the state with the hope of lower malpractice insurance costs.”

jimfields33

(15,786 posts)
10. Thank you! That was decades ago. Weird law but I guess back then the politicians
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 03:52 PM
Mar 2023

thought it was a good idea. Lawton Chiles was governor 30 years ago.

Farmer-Rick

(10,163 posts)
29. Attracting medical professionals????
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 05:56 PM
Mar 2023

Isn't it a medical professionals goal to keep people from dying? Seems to me this would attract more serial killers than medical professionals......or medical professional serial killers.

Diamond_Dog

(31,983 posts)
36. Certainty they won't have to worry
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 06:52 PM
Mar 2023

about their treatment (or lack of) concerning “certain” patients.

XanaDUer2

(10,660 posts)
4. Then theres that poor woman in TN
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 03:26 PM
Mar 2023

Discharged and cops mocking her while she was dying. What the fuck are hospitals for?

Trailrider1951

(3,414 posts)
30. Why, hospitals are there to relieve your wallet of your savings, and
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 05:58 PM
Mar 2023

to make fortunes for their shareholders and CEOs, like pRick Scott.

wnylib

(21,433 posts)
34. Well, considering how hospitals are
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 06:23 PM
Mar 2023

treating (or not treating) people today, one answer to "What are they for?" is that they are for picketing these days.

We could use a "healthcare brigade" to show up at hospitals and other medical facilities where good care and human dignity are absent but price gouging is present to make public issues of it whenever it happens. Picket these places with signs that name the executive officers or medical staff who are responsible for the inhumane policies printed in large bold letters.

Go to social media with the same information.

They will continue to act like this unless people push back HARD and make a big public issue over it.

hippywife

(22,767 posts)
5. I would think after the last 6-7 years or so, the answer to this quote...
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 03:42 PM
Mar 2023

from the article would already be fairly obvious. Apparently, there are people walking around still thinking their repub reps actually give a shit about them.

"I don’t understand how the politicians who are supposed to be for the constituents in the state cannot hear this bill when it talks about the lives that are affected by medical negligence," Waner said.

Baitball Blogger

(46,702 posts)
16. I am going to be perfectly frank. I came across this piece of info eavesdropping
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 04:37 PM
Mar 2023

on a progressive site in Florida. It came from a progressive who was eavesdropping on a Republican site. THEY were the ones who were angry about it. This is why the old guard Florida Democrats are useless. THESE are the kind of issues that they should be looking for, and riding on point.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
11. The article also says it's minor children
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 03:54 PM
Mar 2023

So if someone is over 25, not married, and doesn't have a minor children. So a whole lot of old folks in Florida

Initech

(100,065 posts)
13. Is Florida trying to become the worst state in the country?
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 04:04 PM
Mar 2023

Because if so they are doing a damn fine job of it.

Baitball Blogger

(46,702 posts)
17. They have been pushing Libertarian for some time.
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 04:38 PM
Mar 2023

De Santis is going against the grain by using government to take down his enemies in the private sector.

Warpy

(111,252 posts)
22. Florida seems to be going full Nazi
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 05:01 PM
Mar 2023

The first people the Nazis killed were the disabled, especially the mentally disabled. Florida's only allowing it by neglect now but wait long enough and that will change.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
24. I wonder how many Florida residents even know this law exists?
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 05:21 PM
Mar 2023

I don't live in FL but I never heard of such a thing: A Free Kill Law?

WTF?

Those sunny beaches might not look so good to residents if they find out their age, marital status and lack of children has them branded as Dead Meat, not worthy of recompense in cases of negligience.

Really????

marybourg

(12,622 posts)
25. Yes, Republicans were convinced by their doctor friends
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 05:26 PM
Mar 2023

that all malpractice suits were frivolous; that no doctor ever made a mistake and no patient was ever really damaged or killed by a doctor’s or hospital’s mistake. That greedy patients and ruthless lawyers were exploiting blameless doctors and hospitals. This law was the logical outcome of such thinking.

Farmer-Rick

(10,163 posts)
31. What comes to my mind is the angels of death
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 06:00 PM
Mar 2023

You know those medical professional serial killers who purposely kill their patients. I would think they would flock to Florida. They probably have.

marybourg

(12,622 posts)
35. My mother, who spent winters in FL,
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 06:46 PM
Mar 2023

Used to complain about the quality of medical care there, saying that doctors who lost their licenses to practice in other states flocked there and were granted licenses. Don't know if it's true or not.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
32. Maybe turn the individual doctors and nurses in to their medical
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 06:04 PM
Mar 2023

and nursing boards. See if they'll be investigated. Give. Them. Hell. Protest outside the hospital: "...discriminates against disabled persons."

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
42. I've definitely scratched it off my "places to retire" list.
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 03:44 AM
Mar 2023

I’d rather live thru cold winters than live under fascism.

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