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RandySF

(57,612 posts)
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 04:29 PM Mar 2023

AZ Republican senators pass anti-trans school bathroom bill

Just three states bar transgender students from using bathrooms that best fit their gender identity — and Republican lawmakers want to make Arizona the fourth.

The proposal would force schools to provide separate accommodations for students who are “unwilling or unable” to use a bathroom or locker room that matches their biological sex. Refusing to follow that mandate would open schools up to lawsuits from those seeking to recover damages for “psychological, emotional and physical harm.”

Sen. John Kavanagh, the sponsor of Senate Bill 1040, said the measure is a compromise between trans and gender non-conforming students and their uncomfortable classmates. The Fountain Hills Republican used alarmist imagery to convince fellow lawmakers to support the bill.

“There’s something terribly wrong with making a 15-year-old high school freshman co-ed stand naked in the school shower next to a naked 16-year-old biological male who may identify as female. That’s wrong,” he said.



https://www.azmirror.com/blog/az-republican-senators-pass-anti-trans-school-bathroom-bill/

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AZ Republican senators pass anti-trans school bathroom bill (Original Post) RandySF Mar 2023 OP
AZ. rso Mar 2023 #1
It's still terrifying that these people hold office. RandySF Mar 2023 #3
Right, because nobody is allowed to use the showers unless they're buck nekkid Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2023 #2
I don't remember showers in HS or college either... TreasonousBastard Mar 2023 #4
I went to 2 high schools, one in Hong Kong, one in Cali ... both had 'mass showers' Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2023 #6
I Still Remember the early 80's... NowISeetheLight Mar 2023 #5
That's friggin trippy ... HS for me was '80-'84 and I never saw any of that Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2023 #7
Jr High - Public School NowISeetheLight Mar 2023 #9
Creepy is only on the way to what some of these guys were. TreasonousBastard Mar 2023 #8
Keeping those males out of the girls' locker rooms. keithbvadu2 Mar 2023 #10
I went to middle and high school in California Mr.Bill Mar 2023 #11
 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
2. Right, because nobody is allowed to use the showers unless they're buck nekkid
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 04:43 PM
Mar 2023

"There’s something terribly wrong with making a 15-year-old high school freshman co-ed stand naked in the school shower next to a naked 16-year-old biological male who may identify as female. That’s wrong"

What, you can't shower while wearing the bathing suit you just wore into the pool? Pretty sure you can.

Also, nobody MAKES anyone shower in the locker room.

Sounds like someone enjoys pondering naked teens in the locker room

Honestly I kinda feel like ... well, let's just get rid of the showers in all the schools. Nobody is going to really suffer if they have to leave chlorine on them for a few hours, or go to a few classes smelling sweaty.

Just get rid of the showers. I literally never once took a naked one in High School, although I participated in PE all the time ... and I suspect I'm FAR from the only one

But then, the hater's wouldn't have their lascivious imagery to foist upon the voters.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
4. I don't remember showers in HS or college either...
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 04:52 PM
Mar 2023

May have been there, but don't remember mass shower rooms until the army. Anyway, seems like installing sceens would be easier than passing laws.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
6. I went to 2 high schools, one in Hong Kong, one in Cali ... both had 'mass showers'
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 05:04 PM
Mar 2023

in the locker rooms.

Only time I used them was to rinse off after PE swim classes, and I just wore my bathing suit in them.

Honestly those mass showers are probably an idea whose time has past. Requiring high schools to make them individual/enclosed would be extremely welcome to a whole lot of students.

While you're at it, make changing stations as well, like you have when you're trying on clothes at a retail establishment.

Mandate those two things, and takes away a huge 'reason' transphobic people leverage to make their mostly disingenuous arguments.

And it'd certainly be cheaper than making whole separate 'trans' locker rooms, as this bill is suggesting.

NowISeetheLight

(3,941 posts)
5. I Still Remember the early 80's...
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 05:00 PM
Mar 2023

Mandatory showers after Gym class and before class you'd have to "snap your jock" strap leg from the bottom of your gym shorts to show the coach you were wearing one. I also remember junior high, must've been around '77, we had one gym teacher who would always claim there were "no clean swim suits" when we had to use the pool and we'd all in in there au'natural. That would never fly today. I always thought he was a bit odd. Very different world back then (and very creepy thinking about it today).

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
7. That's friggin trippy ... HS for me was '80-'84 and I never saw any of that
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 05:10 PM
Mar 2023

Esp. not the part about everyone swimming naked in Junior High. I assume it was an all-male/female school or at least the classes were single sex?

That's just friggin weird.

NowISeetheLight

(3,941 posts)
9. Jr High - Public School
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 05:33 PM
Mar 2023

The gym classes were all-male. I remember around 5th grade talking to our paper boy (he was a bit older) and he warned several of us about that "teacher" and "swimming naked". We didn't believe him. The first time it happened I was like OMG! He was kind of creepy.

Mr.Bill

(24,103 posts)
11. I went to middle and high school in California
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 05:55 PM
Mar 2023

from '65-'71. At the time it was state law that every kid would take a shower on every school day. There were mass showers, and a few private shower stalls for kids who wanted to use them. I never saw the private stalls used. I never heard of any issue being made over the shower rules. It's just something you did.

Since I went to a high school with over 2,000 kids, it's inevitable that some of them were gay, in fact going to some reunions has confirmed that. I would imagine there were gay faculty members then, too. But most gays were not "out" back then. A gay teacher would have been fired for being so. I'm sure there were some who were uncomfortable with the whole situation, but I don't remember anyone speaking out about it then. I would have been social suicide for a teenager if you did. I often think how difficult it must have been for those few.

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