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B.See

(1,215 posts)
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 03:30 AM Mar 2023

Condoleezza Rice tells Republicans they need to get on the right side of Ukraine - REALLY?

Rice reportedly said on "Face the Nation" that whoever runs for president has to understand "the essence of the conflict" - that defense of Ukraine is not just about that, but about defending a "rules based system" that says might doesn't make right. "You can't just extinguish your neighbor" she said.

Problem being, perhaps Rice is too close to her party to be able to see that THEY, through their own actions here in America, have in fact shown they believe exactly the OPPOSITE. The party that has been using their legislative and judicial might to establish minority rule, to enforce THEIR will upon the populace, and to extinguish the neighbors THEY consider as "other."

Maybe she doesn't understand that the reason WHY Republicans can't "get on the right side of Ukraine" is because they are too aligned with the same retrogressive narrow-minded ideologies and nationalistic authoritarian mentalities that make Putin (and people like him) their idols.

[link:https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/22/1782669/-Evangelicals-explain-their-support-for-Trump-It-s-the-racism-that-stands-out|

[link:https://www.newsweek.com/league-south-white-nationalism-russia-language-page-donald-trump-vladimir-1035916|

[link:https://www.salon.com/2020/03/10/russia-trying-to-incite-violence-by-white-supremacist-groups-in-us-ahead-of-2020-election-report/|

[link:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/05/putin-ukraine-invasion-white-nationalists-far-right?CMP%3DShare_AndroidApp_Other|

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PSPS

(13,593 posts)
1. A black woman who worked for that RINO W? LOL. They would just reply, "go back where you came from."
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 03:37 AM
Mar 2023

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
5. She was devoted to the hideous monster it was under W.
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 01:49 PM
Mar 2023

This really isn't all that different, it's just more visible.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
9. True. The difference is more the degree of hideousness.
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 02:46 AM
Mar 2023

But it's still the same underlying hideous GOP.

B.See

(1,215 posts)
10. Exactly. Nor can I.
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 07:35 AM
Mar 2023

Hard to see the monster when it's already swallowed you whole. Too close to them for too long and too misinformed. And like many of their devotees, perhaps deliberately so. Either that or suffering under the delusion that they are anything BUT a rabid, fascist cult, bereft of anything RESEMBLING propriety.

Even before MAGA, they've rarely been on "the right side" of anything.. for decades now.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
4. No one could have foreseen that Condi would miss important details in her assessment
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 08:11 AM
Mar 2023

Not that she or her "husband" are particularly worthy spokespeople for a "rules based system", considering the degree to which they themselves twisted those rules to launch a war on false pretenses

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gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. I know, right?
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 06:18 PM
Mar 2023

When did Rice come to the conclusion that might may not make right? Because it certainly hasn't been a hallmark of her career to this point. If she's not careful, she may tentatively opine that the end doesn't always justify the means. And wouldn't we all be in a fix then?

keep_left

(1,783 posts)
7. You really have to appreciate the irony. Rice used to be mocked...
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 06:06 PM
Mar 2023

...as "an expert in an extinct country" (the USSR). She was seen (correctly) as a Cold War dinosaur in her work for the George W Bush administration. Its pretty funny that her sense of the long view of history in that region now makes her an advocate for the people of Ukraine. Stopped clocks being right twice a day and all that...

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