Plainly and simply: EVERY FBI agent who told a prosecutor they "would be more inclined to

[Atticus]

believe Trump" should be fired. The man has told over 30,000 verified lies!

If that is the quality and extent of their judgment, decency and objectivity, who in hell needs them in any aspect of law enforcement?

[Meadowoak]

1. +1000

[The Third Doctor]

2. Exactly. I doubt these same agents would be inclined to just take anyone

Else's word.

[PatSeg]

28. Yes, it is part of the nature

of law enforcement to be skeptical and always looking for the lie. I would think that FBI agents would be among the most skilled people at detecting lies. That said, I've been around my share of prolific liars, some quite good and others just awful. Trump would fall in the category of truly awful liars.

Any mother out there could easily spot the lies, having heard them from her young children. Who on earth trained these FBI agents?

[C_U_L8R]

3. They were wrong.

Trump was indeed hiding stolen documents, in spite of whatever these misguided agents believed.

[mopinko]

4. til i see some heads rolling

at doj and the fbi, i’m withholding my faith in ‘the system’.

[Bettie]

7. Wray is still in charge, so

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you!

[mopinko]

8. oh i'm not.

i do wish joe would fire him. i get why he hasnt, but the man did nothing and the capitol was sacked.
if there was ever cause…

[live love laugh]

40. Why won't he fire him? I haven't kept up with this.

[Maraya1969]

43. I'd like to know that also. eom

[mopinko]

44. well, cuz it's not done.

and tfg did it, is what i figure.

[LiberalFighter]

30. Wray is part of the Federalist Society. Should never be trusted.

[hippywife]

49. I'm not that well versed in *every* aspect of the Federalist Society...

however, saying that no members should ever be trusted is boiling things down a little too simply. Sen. Whitehouse, Merrick Garland and others are also members. I could be wrong, but strongly suspect at one point it was important for a new attorney to become a member with regard to networking and advancement. And possibly, the goals of the organization have changed and gelled over time to what they've currently become.

https://www.whitehouse.senate.gov/news/speeches/the-third-federalist-society

In effect, there are three Federalist Societies.

The first one most lawyers know from law school. It is, for the most part, a debating society, made up of like-minded aspiring lawyers drawn to conservative ideas and judicial doctrine. They organize seminars and invite academics, and judges, and attorneys to speak. That’s terrific?—?no problem there.

The second Federalist Society is the parent organization of the campus debating society?—?a sort of highbrow think tank seeking to further conservative and libertarian judicial principles. It convenes fancy forums with conservative legal luminaries, from Supreme Court Justices to big-name politicians to renowned legal scholars. It issues newsletters and produces podcasts and policy recommendations. Through this, they hope to “reorder priorities within the legal system,” and create a network of members that “extends to all levels of the legal community.” I disagree with the system of law they are trying to impose, and their funding is suspiciously obscure, but this debate is a fine thing to have, so no objection there either.

Then there is the third Federalist Society. This one doesn’t have much in common with the law school debating society, and it certainly doesn’t operate like your run-of-the-mill Washington think tank. This Federalist Society is the nerve center for a complicated apparatus that does not care much about conservative principles like judicial restraint, or originalism, or textualism. This Federalist Society is the vehicle for powerful interests, which seek not to simply “reorder” the judiciary, but to acquire control of the judiciary to benefit their interests. This third Federalist Society understands the fundamental power of the federal judiciary to rig the system in favor of its donor interests?—?and as the Kavanaugh confirmation so clearly illustrated, it is willing to go to drastic lengths to secure that power.

[underpants]

5. Hold it. The Deep State isn't true?

I thought all these FBI law enforcement types were liberals.

[louis-t]

48. MAGA loved the FBI when they were going after Hillary.

Suddenly, they are deep state when going after a real criminal.

[gab13by13]

6. No doubt there are corrupt pro-Trump agents,

there are also agents who are afraid of Trump. Trump is a very powerful person who has never been held accountable.

[Lonestarblue]

33. I'm just curious about why agents are afraid of Trump.

As president, he could get them fired, but the likelihood of him becoming president again is slim. What other power does Trump hold over them? I don’t really understand why they’re afraid of him.

[CrispyQ]

35. He has the power to tell his cult to harass people & they do.

He still holds power at the agency with the trumpers there. Also, he's a mean-spirited, vengeful prick.

[gab13by13]

22. Yes, and I'm afraid the cleansing needs to start with Wray,

Attorney General Janet Reno asked President Clinton to fire FBI Director Sessions for improper use of government money for personal travel, and Clinton fired him.

Christopher Wray lied to Congress, there are grounds to have him removed. Christopher Wray did not properly vet Kavanaugh.

It was despicable for Wray to go on Fox and say that he is treating the Trump/Biden classified document cases exactly the same way.

[CrispyQ]

36. Why is Wray still there?

WTF?

[Cheezoholic]

39. Yep, one of the first direct "casulaties" of the Fat Man

A case I've always found not quite right and I have to say his and his "text mate" Lisa Page's stories are pretty strange to say the least and definitely spy novel worthy. Under the Obama administration he was chief of the FBI's counter espionage division which is basically the FBI version of the CIA that can investigate US citizens along with foreign nationals and led investigations that ended up cracking some pretty deep Russian espionage rings (Operation Ghost Stories amongst others) on US soil involving both Russian nationals (FSB and SVR agents) and US citizens.

He also played a major role (along with Page) into all of the Hillary e-mail BS and even though he "felt" there was no criminality involved he had some major sway with Comey and co-authored the letter to re-open the Clinton investigation right before the election which is very curious.

If you go back 10 years and follow the interactions of these 2 characters and play Ludlum's advocate if you will and throw in their previous interactions with McGonigal , it gets pretty strange. Just tossing that out there, it is a fascinating rabbit hole lol.

Great article by Sam Patten that brushes the surface here >
https://www.themainewire.com/2023/01/ex-fbi-agent-mcgonigal-involved-in-russia-gate-indicted-for-violating-russia-sanctions/

We had one man as head of the FBI who had dossiers and extorted every major player in the US political and economic power structure during the 20th century and I think people forget just how powerful, and corrupt, the FBI was and to a certain extent probably still is.

Maybe by being old enough to have been young enough (if that makes sense) to have been exposed to the myriad of conspiracies, some theories some not, from the heydays of Hoovers reign from the 50's to his death under Nixon (wink wink lol) I'm a bit marred. I think it's still going to be awhile before that agency completely wrings out that legacy. Just because the FBI is investigating my opponent doesn't make them any less suspicious than if they're investigating me. And I do believe since 9/11 there's been a more than "usual" purposeful influx of bad actors from our global enemies deep into our governmental and social infrastructure not seen since perhaps since the peak of the cold war in the 50's and 60's (sorry kids it wasn't the peak in the 80's lol) and it's extremely worrisome.

Thats my left wing "Q" conspiracy anyway and I'm sticking to it lol

[SheltieLover]

10. Absofuckingloutely!

[kentuck]

11. Agree.

[Hotler]

12. +1. They were worried about damage to their careers and losing their job.

What do they know that we don't? Is there another coup attempt planed and they don't want to piss off the dictator?

[gab13by13]

25. I had a small taste of speaking truth to powerful people

when I served on borough council. There were death threats and goon squads and I spent many sleepless nights. I can only imagine the pressure that is on people who take on Donald Trump. A coded message from him and his unwashed Magats are released.

[jaxexpat]

13. Could it be because, since its inception, the FBI has been a liar of....

knee jerk conservatism?

My cousin was married to a guy who joined the Mormon church to further his career in the FBI in the late 70's. It was the reactionary thing to do to thwart the "RADICAL" JIMMY CARTER. This was in the pre-ditto days. The outrage was more subtle but still effective in the ranks of JE Hoover's legacy.
They are unlikely to ever do the right thing if it means enforcement against "conservative" overreaching.

[C Moon]

58. Scary

[ancianita]

14. While Biden might look political, he has good reason to order Chris Wray to fire them.

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Then Biden should fire Wray and replace him with a tougher rule of law director who demands non-political professional behavior. A new director would be confirmed by the Senate. It's in all our interests that the FBI's half-assed intel approach in 2021 isn't repeated in 2024.

Trump thought that constantly defaming the FBI would work to his advantage by weakening its agents' professionalism and adherence to their oaths. Trump's 'loyalty taint' has to be removed.

Drama queen snowflake Republicans' hollering about Biden will be just more proof that the president's decision is sound -- after all, they damn him no matter what he does. Like he cares lol.
But then he can remind them: haven't they been the ones who distrust the FBI these days?!
He's just doing what he can to help rebuild the FBI to better meet their expectations!

[gab13by13]

27. There are grounds to fire Wray

He did not properly vet Kavanaugh and he lied to Congress.

[crickets]

47. Absolutely agree. nt

[keithbvadu2]

15. Would believe Trump over Jesus... Donald has some Christian true believers.

Would believe Trump over Jesus for credibility...

About 2:55 on the timeline.

"Let me tell you," he continued. "If Jesus Christ gets down off the cross and told me Trump is with Russia, I would tell him, hold on a second, I need to check with the president if it is true. That is how confident I feel in the president."

?t=170

[karynnj]

20. Follow up question. What is the first commandment in your religion?

In his case, he IS putting a false god before God when he is only supposed to have one God.

[triron]

29. Why show stupidity so blatantly?

[Prairie_Seagull]

16. One of our guardrails to be sure but the FBI needs a top down shake up.

Wray need to be gone yesterday. FBI needs a re-do, re-think, morale has to be in the toilet with TFG's flushed docs.

[KPN]

17. Hear, hear!

Couldn't agree more. And wouldn't that be sweet!

Hopefully, some of them, at least, will be -- or relegated to insignificant roles/jobs if not fired. Having worked my career in the federal government, I know the latter is a whole lot easier to do.

I'm sure we can expect Christopher Wray of Merrick Garland to follow through on that.

[Paladin]

24. Every time trump's mouth opens, a lie comes out.

It's been that way his whole life. Any FBI agent who can't grasp that needs to be immediately fired, in the most public way possible.

[jcgoldie]

26. untrue

Once in awhile just quarter pounders are going in.

[Paladin]

38. I'm confident that trump can lie and overeat at the same time. (nt)

[Rebl2]

31. Agree

Wholeheartedly!

[LymphocyteLover]

32. agree-- that should be disqualifying... their judgement is clearly completely warped

[calimary]

34. Wholeheartedly and adamantly agreed!!!

There HAS TO be a baseline.

Anyone in a position of authority who claims trump to be ANYTHING but a scheming manipulative pathological LIAR is suspect.

It means either they’re deluded, they’ve been in some hermetically-sealed reality-avoidance chamber for a decade, they’re too stupid and naive to be trusted with any position of responsibility, or they’re “in on the game” and are NOT to be trusted anywhere outside a jail or prison cell.

[Botany]

37. How many in the FBI are right wing true believers and or being paid off by Russia or groups ....

.... Heritage or Judicial Crisis Network?

I have always had creepy feelings about "the hug" Trump gave James Comey to me it was like
"Yes, you know that I know you are dirty."

[bluestarone]

52. Again your words are right on the money!

I feel many in the FBI (some secret service people as well) are owned by TFG. (with Russia's HELP I'M sure.) Plus some are very religious, falling for the "HE is the CHOSEN ONE" fable!! What i don't get is why this administration won't do something about THIS?

[Botany]

55. In the fall of 1980 Crter had a deal done to release the hostages but HW Bush flew to Paris and ...

.... with the Iranians in Paris and promised a shit ton of military supplies if Iran would hold off until
after the election. W/in a week of Reagan being sworn in plane loads of gear started to show up @
the airport in Tehran and HW's Secret Service detail had their time cards filled out by hand instead of
machine stamped for the time he was supposed to be in Paris.

[Martin68]

41. I doubt firing any FBI agent who supports Trump is enforceable or wise.

It would be overtly political and would set a very bad precedent. A future Republican administration could do the same to any agent who supported Biden, for example.

[Hortensis]

46. :) Agree, but what's social media without angry hyperbole?

At very least this belongs in their personnel files, however, in apolitical evaluations of "core competencies," such as critical decision making, judgement, self discipline, performance.

My hope, and I believe it will largely be the case, is that career advancement of those who remain with the FBI will end up permanently blighted. Ideally involving transfers to more suitable departments, such as...purchasing and occupational safety.

[fleabiscuit]

42. Willful ignorance. nt

[uponit7771]

45. K&R,

[FakeNoose]

50. Bingo - why not add DoJ officials along with them

[hippywife]

51. Agree.

It's not in their purview to make those kinds of judgment calls. Not a part of the oath they take when they accept the job.

[Rhiannon12866]

53. Exactly. And they take a pledge to follow the law

So support of TFG who committed criminal acts against the government is a violation of that pledge.

[dlk]

54. These agents gave away their bias

Trump made hatred and fascism fashionable. Theses agents are unfit for duty.

[MiHale]

56. KnR

[soldierant]

57. ****

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