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winetourdriver01

(1,154 posts)
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 09:36 PM Mar 2023

Bill to Make Daylight Saving Permanent Reemerges From the Dark

Just when sun worshippers lost hope for longer days in gloomy winter months, the Senate may give permanent daylight saving another try.

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., reintroduced the Sunshine Protection Act in the Senate on Wednesday, months after the same bill, which the Senate passed unanimously last March, died in the House at the end of the last session. The bill would end the practice of turning the clocks back one hour to standard time every November and make daylight saving time, which currently begins in March, last throughout the year.

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https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2944277755344-bill-to-make-daylight-saving-permanent-reemerges-from-the-dark

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Bill to Make Daylight Saving Permanent Reemerges From the Dark (Original Post) winetourdriver01 Mar 2023 OP
Please just do it this time. Johnny2X2X Mar 2023 #1
I love the sumner nights though. I hope it fails. jimfields33 Mar 2023 #11
It doesnt affect summer nights jcgoldie Mar 2023 #13
Oh wow. So it'd still be light at 8:30ish? jimfields33 Mar 2023 #29
Yes, this bill is to abolish the time change by making DST permanent nt sir pball Mar 2023 #30
Wow. That is great. I guess I had no idea how it'd work. jimfields33 Mar 2023 #31
In the morning yes jcgoldie Mar 2023 #32
No Polybius Mar 2023 #38
If there's anything they can do bipartisan it's this. PLEASE!!! kysrsoze Mar 2023 #2
I hope this bill passes. I heard , years ago, the reason to have this change the clocks thing, napi21 Mar 2023 #3
Golf courses lobbied hard to keep daylight savings time. Link below. sarcasmo Mar 2023 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author sarcasmo Mar 2023 #17
I will cast a vote for year round standard timer. rurallib Mar 2023 #4
I actually wish they'd go the other way - eliminate Daylight Savings all together. bucolic_frolic Mar 2023 #5
I like late sundown Summers Polybius Mar 2023 #39
Personally, I'drather see permenant standard time. world wide wally Mar 2023 #6
K&R please make it so! n/t ms liberty Mar 2023 #7
Just what we need: winter sunrise at 8:30-9 AM meow2u3 Mar 2023 #8
There's a reason this issue comes up again and again Shermann Mar 2023 #9
Settle on the half hour and be done with it . . . Journeyman Mar 2023 #12
Good idea FoxNewsSucks Mar 2023 #15
Yes! 👍 nt Raine Mar 2023 #26
We tried this before in, what, 72? Easterncedar Mar 2023 #14
Damn I hope it passes this time. FoxNewsSucks Mar 2023 #16
Tried in 1974, per Wikipedia Easterncedar Mar 2023 #18
In the northern states... 2naSalit Mar 2023 #19
I realize my situation is not the majority but... jcgoldie Mar 2023 #20
I hear you. 2naSalit Mar 2023 #21
About 1/3 want year-round DST, about 1/3 year-round ST, about 1/3 would keep the change Silent3 Mar 2023 #22
I would welcome a change, but only if FemDemERA Mar 2023 #23
The only fair thing to do is have the federal government pick one. friend of a friend Mar 2023 #24
from six months ago - DST keithbvadu2 Mar 2023 #25
I would prefer Standard year round. nt Raine Mar 2023 #27
Didn't Cheney/Bush have a hand in tampering with this the last time? Montauk6 Mar 2023 #28
Found this winetourdriver01 Mar 2023 #33
Thanks for that! Montauk6 Mar 2023 #40
I like the status quo Zeitghost Mar 2023 #34
I'm in that same apparent minority. maxsolomon Mar 2023 #35
It's a lot easier to adjust start times for schools and the handful of jobs where it matters meadowlander Mar 2023 #36
I prefer year round Standard since I hate the dark mornings that will be even darker under DST wishstar Mar 2023 #37

jcgoldie

(11,612 posts)
32. In the morning yes
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 10:11 AM
Mar 2023

Depending on how far north you are, the days will still be a lot shorter in the winter because the southern hemisphere is tilted towards the sun. The difference with permanent DST would be an hour of daylight would be shifted in the winter from morning to afternoon… so like where I live in the midwest in january instead of daylight from 730-430 it would be 830-530 for example. It would not affect from March to November at all because most of the country already uses DST then.

Polybius

(15,334 posts)
38. No
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 02:48 PM
Mar 2023

Let's say it got dark at 5:00 on Christmas, 2022. Well, if passed, Christmas would get dark at 6:00 instead. It will be an hour difference. Winters will always get dark earlier. Blame the Sun and gravity.

kysrsoze

(6,019 posts)
2. If there's anything they can do bipartisan it's this. PLEASE!!!
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 09:41 PM
Mar 2023

It’s so dark and depressing in winter with the sun going down at 4.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
3. I hope this bill passes. I heard , years ago, the reason to have this change the clocks thing,
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 09:41 PM
Mar 2023

but it's outlived it's usefulness. Let's just keep a time, standard or savings, I don't care.

Response to napi21 (Reply #3)

bucolic_frolic

(43,044 posts)
5. I actually wish they'd go the other way - eliminate Daylight Savings all together.
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 09:48 PM
Mar 2023

Ah well, the politicians never consult me and they can change time, adulterate money.

meow2u3

(24,759 posts)
8. Just what we need: winter sunrise at 8:30-9 AM
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 09:55 PM
Mar 2023

I have enough trouble with my cat meowing me awake until I get up to feed her; it's going to get worse if sunrise is at 9 in the morning.

Shermann

(7,399 posts)
9. There's a reason this issue comes up again and again
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 10:00 PM
Mar 2023

...and it's not because of its importance. It's the opposite, really. It's because it is a bike-shed issue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality

Everybody is affected by it, and nobody believes it to be particularly complex in nature. So, everybody has an opinion, and nobody is afraid to voice theirs. So here we are.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,417 posts)
15. Good idea
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 10:19 PM
Mar 2023

I'd rather the proposal pass as-is, and keep daylight savings time, but I could live with this compromise.

The problem is we'd be a half-hour off from the rest of the world.

Easterncedar

(2,261 posts)
14. We tried this before in, what, 72?
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 10:19 PM
Mar 2023

Make it standard time all year, and I’m with you, but folks hated sending the kids off to school in pitch darkness. It lasted ONE winter.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,417 posts)
16. Damn I hope it passes this time.
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 10:20 PM
Mar 2023

I hate having it get dark early, for many reasons.

It would be so much better to have it light later in the day.

Easterncedar

(2,261 posts)
18. Tried in 1974, per Wikipedia
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 10:28 PM
Mar 2023

“Permanent DST in the US was briefly enacted by president Richard Nixon in 1974, in response to the 1973 oil crisis. The new permanent DST law was retracted within the year. Year-round daylight saving time was initially supported by 79% of the public, but that support had dropped to 42% after its first winter.”

Santayana’s rule, exemplified.

2naSalit

(86,323 posts)
19. In the northern states...
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 10:58 PM
Mar 2023

It almost doesn't matter. It's going to be a really short day no matter what. So what if it's sunrise at 8 or 9? You're still probably going to work in the dark and going home in the dark.

jcgoldie

(11,612 posts)
20. I realize my situation is not the majority but...
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 11:23 PM
Mar 2023

As a small farmer who works an 8-4 job off the farm that extra hour of daylight in the afternoon during the depths of winter would be invaluable.

2naSalit

(86,323 posts)
21. I hear you.
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 11:29 PM
Mar 2023

I just remember going to work in the dark in the winter much of my life, when stationary.

What's wrong with, what is it, Standard Time? Why can't we have that all year?

It never made sense to me and when I was blasting across time zones all the time, it just added another layer of complexity to everything.

Silent3

(15,147 posts)
22. About 1/3 want year-round DST, about 1/3 year-round ST, about 1/3 would keep the change
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 11:31 PM
Mar 2023

Even when I lived in NH (which was just six months ago), I preferred the idea of permanent standard time.

Now that I'm living in Ohio, a lot further west in the same timezone, permanent standard time is even more appealing.

It's pretty damned dark in the in the depths of winter here in Ohio, in the early morning when kids are picked up from school. Permanent DST would make that much worse.

FemDemERA

(224 posts)
23. I would welcome a change, but only if
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 11:39 PM
Mar 2023

We were to go all standard time, like Arizona and Hawaii.

My inner clock would be happy with that

 

friend of a friend

(367 posts)
24. The only fair thing to do is have the federal government pick one.
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 11:39 PM
Mar 2023

Then every state will vote on it and those opposed can secede from the union. I'm just beating her to it.

Montauk6

(8,064 posts)
28. Didn't Cheney/Bush have a hand in tampering with this the last time?
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 12:44 AM
Mar 2023

Or is that just my "fuzzy history" kickin' in again?

Zeitghost

(3,845 posts)
34. I like the status quo
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 02:09 PM
Mar 2023

The change is a minor inconvenience in the spring, but I prefer aligning the standard workday to daylight hours. I think it makes the most sense for the most people.

maxsolomon

(33,244 posts)
35. I'm in that same apparent minority.
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 02:24 PM
Mar 2023

Up here at 47 degrees north, it makes sense to switch back and forth.

As I've said repeatedly on this topic, DST puts the daylight where it is most useful.

I don't need the sun to come up before 5 am in the summer. I like it to stay light until almost 10.

And F Rubio no matter what he proposes.

meadowlander

(4,388 posts)
36. It's a lot easier to adjust start times for schools and the handful of jobs where it matters
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 02:28 PM
Mar 2023

than to make the entire country readjust their biological clocks twice a year.

wishstar

(5,268 posts)
37. I prefer year round Standard since I hate the dark mornings that will be even darker under DST
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 02:42 PM
Mar 2023

Where I live those who must go to school and work by 7 am are already in the dark and will have to endure even darker mornings in winter if we go under permanent DST. Now many workers and school kids are able to have some light in morning and then go home by 5:30 when there is still some daylight but they won't benefit much with extended evening daylight if they have to get out in the cold and dark in mornings.

Possible solution if we go to DST is to change school and work hours to let people go in an hour earlier and leave an hour later.

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