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Mr. Sparkle

(2,930 posts)
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 10:02 PM Mar 2023

Finally, Democrats appear ready to wage war on Fox News

For years, Democrats have been deeply conflicted about Fox News. At times, they’ve shunned the network as an irredeemable source of disinformation, boycotting it or banning it from covering Democratic presidential primary debates. But such efforts have been temporary: They have tended to resume appearing on the network and have reverted to treating it as more or less a news channel, albeit a hostile one. Now, however, it’s becoming clear that interacting with Fox News as a news outlet in any sense is no longer an option for Democrats. In light of the news that network personalities knowingly deceived viewers about the 2020 election for cynical pecuniary purposes, Democrats plainly have to take on Fox News in a new way. And some of them know it. “I don’t think we’ve ever had a moment like this, where a major news network has been exposed as deliberately deluding its viewers or readers,” Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) told me. “This is a seminal moment in the history of mass media. And we need to treat it that way.” But what should that look like?

This week, Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries signaled an aggressive posture in a letter to Fox News founder Rupert Murdoch. The two New York Democrats demanded that the network get star anchor Tucker Carlson and others to recant their lies about the 2020 election on the air. This might be the first time that the Democratic congressional leadership has formally labeled Fox News content “propaganda.”

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“We need to be in the business of communicating the gravity of what happened,” Murphy told me. He noted that Democrats must be “very clear about how manipulative Fox executives and hosts are,” and that they rely on “deliberate lying as a means to get ratings, and to keep viewers hooked in.” Should Democrats again refrain from appearing on Fox News? They have long been conflicted about this, with some arguing that Democrats shouldn’t forgo the opportunity to reach right-leaning voters wherever possible. But in light of the new revelations, there might be a better way to think about it. Dan Pfeiffer, who was senior communications adviser to President Barack Obama, says Democrats should remember that their appearances on Fox News will never reach many conservative voters in unadulterated form. A Democrat’s quotes will inevitably be diced into incriminating bites and fed to a larger conservative audience via high-rated opinion shows and right-wing social media.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/03/02/fox-news-texts-rupert-murdoch-democrats/

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Finally, Democrats appear ready to wage war on Fox News (Original Post) Mr. Sparkle Mar 2023 OP
If I remember correctly, President Obama tried to exclude them from the White House press and LoisB Mar 2023 #1
Their standards need to be thrown at them. LiberalFighter Mar 2023 #3
Money line: lindysalsagal Mar 2023 #2
You mean like this? lambchopp59 Mar 2023 #21
Yup. lindysalsagal Mar 2023 #22
Dominion should agree to cut 10% off their damage award if Fox makes multiple mea culpas on air Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2023 #4
The way to damage Faux Noise once and for all FakeNoose Mar 2023 #5
Your post is essential reading and should go viral. Many thanks. n/t SheilaAnn Mar 2023 #6
+100. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #7
I quit cable because of this Takket Mar 2023 #10
Yes many people have cut the cord in the last 4 or 5 years FakeNoose Mar 2023 #11
Keith Olbermann mentioned that this brings them $1.6 BILLION every bullwinkle428 Mar 2023 #14
Problem is - Cable is losing its audience womanofthehills Mar 2023 #16
I complied lambchopp59 Mar 2023 #23
Fox is sold as a package Trenzalore Mar 2023 #24
I'm fine with that - I don't watch any of them FakeNoose Mar 2023 #26
about time republianmushroom Mar 2023 #8
"We need to be in the business of communicating" CaptainTruth Mar 2023 #9
It needs to be a priority on podcasting - that's where the younger generation get their news womanofthehills Mar 2023 #17
As a mere propaganda network, Fox should lose their White House press credentials dlk Mar 2023 #12
Comparing FOX to the National Enquirer is apt. Beartracks Mar 2023 #15
I'm not aware of any other entertainment outlets with White House press credentials dlk Mar 2023 #19
Can't stand watching tucker and his constipated face look SouthernDem4ever Mar 2023 #13
The perpetually perplexed Tucker Carlson HuskyOffset Mar 2023 #18
St Amant vs Thompson 1968 Beachnutt Mar 2023 #20
Don't stop with FOX Seeking Serenity Mar 2023 #25

LoisB

(7,194 posts)
1. If I remember correctly, President Obama tried to exclude them from the White House press and
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 10:28 PM
Mar 2023

all the other networks rallied around them.

lindysalsagal

(20,638 posts)
2. Money line:
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 10:33 PM
Mar 2023

"A Democrat’s quotes will inevitably be diced into incriminating bites and fed to a larger conservative audience via high-rated opinion shows and right-wing social media."

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,984 posts)
4. Dominion should agree to cut 10% off their damage award if Fox makes multiple mea culpas on air
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 11:06 PM
Mar 2023

Multiple hosts, multiple times each, multiple days.

FakeNoose

(32,610 posts)
5. The way to damage Faux Noise once and for all
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 11:27 PM
Mar 2023

... is to compel the cable companies to drop this horrible pox from their line-up of regular channels. They can offer Faux Noise as an extra channel that people have to PAY FOR, but nobody gets it on their regular subscription. AND those of us who DON'T want it, should not be forced to subsidize these lies. That's what is happening now and it will continue until we demand a change.

Faux Noise would lose at least 70% of their funding overnight if the cable companies dropped them from the line-up. We all must complain to AT&T, Comcast, Time-Warner, Verizon FIOS, whoever we're sending our hard-earned money to every month - and demand that Faux Noise be dropped from the line-up. If enough of us did that, I guarantee it would happen. The cable companies are afraid of all of us cutting the cable, and they don't want to lose us.

At least 75% the regular monthly cable subscribers DO NOT watch Faux Noise, and yet millions of us are force to subsidize it every month. Approximately $2.00 per month goes to Faux Noise from almost every cable subscriber in the country. Think of that!

Here's the source for my information: https://unfoxmycablebox.com/#yourmoneysupportsfoxpropaganda




Takket

(21,549 posts)
10. I quit cable because of this
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 02:28 PM
Mar 2023

The LA Times did an article about how much of your monthly bill goes directly to Fox News. That was the day I finally put in the effort to cancel cable and go to streaming.

FakeNoose

(32,610 posts)
11. Yes many people have cut the cord in the last 4 or 5 years
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 02:52 PM
Mar 2023

Last edited Tue Mar 7, 2023, 08:16 PM - Edit history (1)

So many have done so that it's really hurting the cable companies. (Recognizing that there's more to this than a protest against Faux, it's also a cost-cutting measure for many Americans.) But these cable companies need to realize that Faux is hurting them too.

I'm a subscriber to Verizon FIOS so I'll use them as an example. If Verizon understands that they can retain subscribers and in fact get NEW subscribers by dropping Faux, I think they'd do it in a heartbeat. If Verizon does it first, I believe the rest of them will all follow suit. But if I quit Verizon then I have no power to complain and force them to make a change. Staying with them and BITCHING LIKE HELL gives me a voice, and if we all do the same, maybe it will get through to them.

Whether it's Comcast, Verizon, AT&T or whoever does it first - they'll reap a huge benefit by getting former subscribers back on line again. Am I right about this, or is it too late to get any cable subscribers back? Maybe they should just realize that they'll keep losing more subscribers every month until they finally show Faux Noise the door.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
14. Keith Olbermann mentioned that this brings them $1.6 BILLION every
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 10:58 PM
Mar 2023

year, just from the cable companies alone. He also provided the link that you included, in today's podcast.

womanofthehills

(8,685 posts)
16. Problem is - Cable is losing its audience
Sat Mar 4, 2023, 04:15 PM
Mar 2023

Younger people are getting their news on their phones and many podcasts have way more listeners than cable news. Cable news (which is hurting) is not going to get rid of its most popular network.


“Fox News Dominated February Cable News Viewership, But All Networks Were Down Vs. 2022

In total day, Fox News averaged 1.44 million viewers, down 14%, compared to MSNBC with 711,000, down 1%, and 474,000 for CNN, down 24%. In the 25-54 demo, Fox News averaged 189,000, down 35%, followed by CNN with 89,000, down 41%, and MSNBC with 80,000, off by 6%.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/fox-news-dominated-february-cable-news-viewership-but-all-networks-were-down-vs-2022/ar-AA1846u3

Joe Rogan averages 11 million an episode & Breaking Points with Crystal Ball & Sagar get more views with their podcasts than all cable combined.

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
23. I complied
Sun Mar 5, 2023, 09:53 PM
Mar 2023

Even though I don't have teevee service presently, it was Dish Network's free selection of that damned propaganda that turned my aging father into an unrecognizably hateful nutjob with absolutely no grounding in facts.
I must share: it was only by the extra financial support of his 3 offspring that supported his quite cushy retirement, including luxuries like top tier Dish Network. At that time, he got hooked onto Bill O'really: specifically convinced he was among the "makers" characterizing his adult children as the "takers". He got a reality smackdown about that a few times, but soon always reverted to how he'd been brainwashed, all the way to his coffin. Complete reality reversal in his mind.
So I damn straight support removal of that hateful channel however possible.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
24. Fox is sold as a package
Sun Mar 5, 2023, 10:00 PM
Mar 2023

Fox forces cable companies to buy their networks as a package. No Fox News, No Fox Sports, No football.

That is how they have managed this for years.

CaptainTruth

(6,582 posts)
9. "We need to be in the business of communicating"
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 02:25 PM
Mar 2023

Yes we do. Let's start making Democratic messaging a priority, now

womanofthehills

(8,685 posts)
17. It needs to be a priority on podcasting - that's where the younger generation get their news
Sat Mar 4, 2023, 04:18 PM
Mar 2023

Dems are already big in the podcast market - but they need to up it

dlk

(11,537 posts)
12. As a mere propaganda network, Fox should lose their White House press credentials
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 08:50 PM
Mar 2023

Seriously, does the National Enquirer have White House press credentials? Fox is no different. The mainstream media needs to wise up.

Beartracks

(12,806 posts)
15. Comparing FOX to the National Enquirer is apt.
Sat Mar 4, 2023, 03:47 PM
Mar 2023

FOX is like the fake news rag that made good. But when called to account, FOX always claims it's just in the business of "entertainment," like any tabloid. They really don't have any business being considered part of the press -- because they're not.

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dlk

(11,537 posts)
19. I'm not aware of any other entertainment outlets with White House press credentials
Sat Mar 4, 2023, 10:48 PM
Mar 2023

Fox is long overdue to be held accountable for their shenanigans.

Seeking Serenity

(2,840 posts)
25. Don't stop with FOX
Sun Mar 5, 2023, 10:40 PM
Mar 2023

Sue every right-wing media organ, PAC, right down to women's freaking knitting circles into bankrupt oblivion that they'll never be able to get out of. Every damn one of them!

No mercy! We're in control, and we're not putting up with their crap one more second. Take their TV Studios! Seize their printing presses! Appropriate every last dime of their contributions!! It's time to stop playing!

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