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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(7,912 posts)
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 07:13 PM Mar 2023

Kansas Senate Bill 180 seeks to define "female"

Senate Bill 180 was given about 30 minutes of discussion at Wednesday’s Senate Public Health and Welfare Committee hearing, a time frame that critics have said is woefully inadequate to address all the bill’s implications. The bill has been called a women’s bill of rights, a designation that bill opponent Caroline Dean rejected.

Dean, a pastor with the Kansas-Oklahoma Conference of the United Church of Christ, and spokeswoman for the Kansas Interfaith Action, said the bill didn’t actually recognize any rights for women.

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SB 180 would define “female” as people with biological reproductive systems that are developed to produce ova, an definition critics have said excludes intersex women and alienates women without ovaries.

The bill states that separate accommodations based on biological sex aren’t unequal, and that biological women sometimes need women-only social, educational, athletic and other spaces to ensure safety. This would include domestic violence shelters, restrooms and locker rooms.

One part of the bill says that “male individuals are, on average, bigger, stronger and faster than female individuals,” as justification for biology-based separation. Similar legislation has been introduced in North Dakota, Oklahoma and Arizona, among other states.

https://kansasreflector.com/2023/02/15/critics-call-proposed-kansas-womens-bill-of-rights-sexist-transphobic/

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MuseRider

(34,105 posts)
4. They can't stand
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 07:24 PM
Mar 2023

that we voted for abortions and they are going to put us back under their thumbs.

We beat them, unbearable!

Why is it they cannot see what is coming next? Do they really think we will give them what they want especially under force of their laws?

We define ourselves.

wnylib

(21,432 posts)
5. Who is a woman?
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 07:26 PM
Mar 2023

Seems easy to me. Anyone who says that she is a woman.

By the definition offered in the OP article, I am not a woman. 10 years ago I had a bilateral oophorectomy and salpingectory to remove potentially cancerous cysts.

What about women in menopause who no longer produce ova?

What about 5'5" men of slight build and 5'10" women with large bone structure?

Who appointed those people to be gender police?

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,326 posts)
8. Pedantic aside:
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 07:29 PM
Mar 2023
What about women in menopause who no longer produce ova?
Ovaries don't produce ova; they release them. Ova develop during pregnancy and a baby is born with all the ova they'll ever have, meaning a pregnant person can be carrying the ova that could produce their grandchildren.

Silent3

(15,204 posts)
13. I'd revise your definition a bit
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 08:57 PM
Mar 2023

To the extent that the law needs to address gender at all (which should be avoided), it wouldn't be practical to allow a person to easily change gender by simply announcing a change at any time -- imagine, for instance, a prison inmate who was obviously trying to fuck with the system and kept demanding transfers back and forth between men's and women's prisons.

It would be perfectly reasonable for the law to require some signs of consistency and commitment to a particular gender identity.

Generic Brad

(14,274 posts)
12. If it's not a problem, they will pretend it is one
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 08:51 PM
Mar 2023

And if something is an actual problem, they will ignore it.

Walleye

(31,008 posts)
9. So our rights are infringed because men can't behave themselves?
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 07:34 PM
Mar 2023

I don’t believe that, they don’t have much respect for the men in their state

sanatanadharma

(3,699 posts)
10. If "female" needs to de defined ...
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 08:40 PM
Mar 2023

... then apparently gender labels are not as clear cut as the shallow thinkers think.

Freethinker65

(10,009 posts)
15. So a hysterectomy with ovary removal for, say, a malignancy makes one no longer female.
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 09:07 PM
Mar 2023

How about we treat all humans equal????????

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
16. FFS, does this crap ever end! Why can't they get their heads outta crotches and try to do
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 09:56 PM
Mar 2023

something useful and quit making the US look like a bunch of damn fools.

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