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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust now in Holland...
Was standing on a train platform and a freight train passed carrying armored personnel carriers, Red Cross trucks, tanks and military equipment.
Heading East
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MarineCombatEngineer
(12,094 posts)Thanks for the info, seems Putin stirred a hornets nest with his illegal invasion of Ukraine.
FakeNoose
(32,356 posts)okaawhatever
(9,453 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(56,904 posts)WhiteTara
(29,676 posts)I think I would have been filled with many emotions.
Beastly Boy
(9,064 posts)So this equipment is either headed to Poland or it is coming from France, or both. Either way, it is likely related to NATO logistics of some urgency. It is very unusual to see military equipment moving through the Netherlands in broad daylight.
brooklynite
(93,878 posts)German (DB) engine running the train.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,150 posts)True Blue American
(17,972 posts)True Blue American
(17,972 posts)From Holland. LOL
samnsara
(17,571 posts)True Blue American
(17,972 posts)But they are coming from Holland.,)
SpamWyzer
(385 posts)stuurt benodigheden naar Ukraine zodat ze kunnen meer dodelijk verdediging tegen de Russen. Oorlog is afschuwelijk.
DFW
(54,057 posts)Det hele invasie was niet nodig. Dit is nog steeds niet nodig. Iedereen wordt geholpen, inklusiv de Russen, zoude hij gewoon zeggen, sorry,dit was een vergissing!! Wij gaan naar thuis!
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)wnylib
(21,146 posts)1/4 to 1/3 of it. I don't know Dutch, but have a limited knowledge of German. The similarities between Dutch, English, and German only got a fraction of it through to me.
But, Google is a friend.
aggiesal
(8,864 posts)#9:
The Netherlands
sends supplies to Ukraine so they can build more deadly defenses against the Russians. War is horrible.
#11:
Putin is horrible
The whole invasion was unnecessary. This is still not necessary. Everyone is helped, including the Russians, he would just say, Sorry, this was a mistake!! We're going home!"
wnylib
(21,146 posts)True Blue American
(17,972 posts)My Grandmother could not write English. I am sure I picked a lot of it from her, even though I was 2 when she died. I never heard my Grandfather speak in German, he had a farm and built houses.
wnylib
(21,146 posts)My grandmother was 3 years old when her parents brought her and her siblings to the US. She died before I was born, but her sister, my Great Aunt Emma, lived with us when I was a child. Emma was 6 when her family came here so German was her first language and was what her family spoke at home. She could speak, read, and write in German and English, but spoke only English in our house, except when old friends visited her and they spoke German together. So I got accustomed to the sound even though I picked up only a few words.
The other times that she spoke German were when she got excited and slipped into it automatically. I gave her a few occasions for that.
One day I found a book in our attic that she had used as a child for learning English, and tried to learn German from it. She took it away from me and said, "You're American. You should speak only English." She had lived through both world wars as a German American citizen and the stigma stayed with her.
So, in high school I took German classes. But that was long ago and my high school language classes did not get into much depth. In college, my major was Spanish. I only remember a little German now.
irisblue
(32,829 posts)homegirl
(1,419 posts)a century away from Sweden I got 90%. Kind of pleased as I learned Swedish as an adult.
DFW
(54,057 posts)I speak to my office there usually once a day. Id have to be some kind of idiot if I hadnt learned their language by now.
So, I figured one good post in Dutch deserves another.
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Ptah
(32,983 posts)DFW
(54,057 posts)brooklynite
(93,878 posts)ananda
(28,783 posts)Thank you!
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)My kids live in The Hague.
brooklynite
(93,878 posts)RocRizzo55
(980 posts)I am in Wageningen
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)I love it over there.
samnsara
(17,571 posts)...vehicles. Quite exciting!
Martin68
(22,671 posts)Europe. Europe remembers WWII, and that is why they are doing what they can to prevent Russia from gaining a foothold from which it can start absorbing other neighbors like Poland, Hungary, and Romania.
wnylib
(21,146 posts)Just as WWII was a fight to preserve civilization and democracy, so is the support for Ukraine.
Considering what Russia has been doing to the US through propaganda and assets and agents embedded in the US government, Americans have a lot at stake in the fight.
Martin68
(22,671 posts)Russia in Ukraine than after Russia has annexed Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, and has had time to build its military back up.
RKP5637
(67,032 posts)DFW
(54,057 posts)The conflict that ensued from the break-up of Yugoslavia was certainly considered a war here in Europe. Just one small country (Austria) stood between us and the killingsort of like now, except that now the buffer country, Poland, is bigger. Considering that the aggressor this time is Putin and not Miloević, the distance is of minor comfort at best.
Martin68
(22,671 posts)DFW
(54,057 posts)Both Serbia and Croatia were accusing each other of having invaded Bosnia, and when Kosovo declared independence from Serbia, the Serbs were considered invaders by the Kosovars as well.
Whether a civil war or not was really semantic, anyway. It was a brutal armed conflict with huge casualties, destruction of cities, and enormous displacement of civilian population. "Ethnic cleansing" became a household word during this conflict, as both Serbs and Croats sought to eradicate each other's populations in both Bosnia and their own territories. We absorbed a few hundred thousand here, and many stayed on. One gets a real idea how close this all was when one visits the area. My wife and I visited Dubrovnik about 6 years ago. Bombing damage from Serbian artillery wasn't completely repaired, and one could still see the hills in Serbia across the bay, from which they were shooting their artillery into Dubrovnik, a historical site since for about six and a half centuries.
Martin68
(22,671 posts)understand the complexity of the history and relationships in the various regions of Yugoslavia. I do remember it being said that only Tito could hold the different groups in balance and prevent a civil war. It didn't take long for his death to lead to total anarchy.
DFW
(54,057 posts)A Croat, he took the Serbian side against the Nazis, broke with Stalin in 1948, when it was clear that membership in the Warsaw Pact meant becoming a de facto Russian colony, and managed to hold together a very diverse group of Balkan peoples crammed into a geographical small space. A German friend told me that Tito's Yugoslavia was a de facto part of NATO, since in the event of an armed conflict, his sources in Yugoslavia assured him that Tito would side with NATO, and not the Soviet Union.
The first time, I visited Yugoslavia, I was first in Crna Gora (Montenegro), and then in Zagreb, Croatia. I knew some Russian, but was not familiar with Serbian or Croatian. They are so close that many just call their languages Serbo-Croatian. In 1973, I had heard that Marsjal Tito Square in Zagreb was where the young people would hang out in the evening, so I walked over there. Sure enough, it might as well have been the Boston Common of Zagreb. I talked with all kinds of people my age (21 at the time), many of whom knew English. One guy with hair down to his waist joked that he was considered more of an outsider than I was. I asked how come? He laughed and said, "I'm a Serb." Two sisters invited me up to their apartment for coffee. One had a boyfriend there, who only spoke Hrvatski (Croatian). He was curious about what I thought about music, and professed his love for the recently (3 years) departed Jimi Hendrix. Translating through the two sisters, I said Hendrix was a legend, but I was a big fan of the tamburitsa music and kolo dances of Croatia, too. I played in a group back in college in Philadelphia that played all sorts of folk music from Croatia and Serbia. He thought we must be stark raving loony to be interested in their folk music. What he said was close enough to Russian that I could unerstand it, so I answered in English, "yeah, and all YOU do is listen to OUR music." Both sisters, who understood English, started laughing. I asked what was so funny. They said we didn't speak each other's language, but understood each other just fine.
These were friendly, sophisticated, aware, inteligent young people. If you were to tell me they would be shooting each other down in the streets 20 years later, I would have said you were out of your mind. For people that had really impressed me at age 21, they really managed to acquire some awful leaders later on. Serbia's Miloević wanted to be Putin before there was Putin, and Croatia's Tudjman was like Hungary's Orbán before Orbán was Orbán. But, of course, people here in Europe also ask me how the USA, after such a great 8 years of Obama/Biden getting the USA back on track after the Cheney/Bush disaster, could possibly allow such a dangerous buffoon as Trump t5o even be a candidate, let alone take the office of the presidency when we had such an obviously great choice in Hillary Clinton? How, indeed? Yure, we're not yet bombing each other's party headquarters, but with nut cases like Tommy Tubervill and Josh Hawley in the Senate, along with Gaetz, Boebert amd Taylor Greene pulling McCarthey's strings in the House, don't tell me we could never degenerate zo such a level.
Martin68
(22,671 posts)America's crazies. when I was growing up I was told "it can't happen here." We now know for certain that it can happen here and that it will if we don't stay vigilant and involved.
DFW
(54,057 posts)Lack of vigilance will bring us another round of the latter.
AllaN01Bear
(17,383 posts)material convoys on the open road.
BumRushDaShow
(127,323 posts)that was still being used back then but I think they finally closed it and moved it elsewhere (quick search shows that LaSalle U bought the property since their campus is nearby). Would occasionally see truck convoys from there.
Warpy
(110,913 posts)if they're going to push Russia out of most of their territory. Crimea is going to be a tougher nut to crack, my guess is that they'll blow up trains crossing the Kerch Bridge, they've already blocked the canal that delivered fresh water to Crimea. Russia will have to truck water in, there's none on the peninsula.
The rail bridge will be down until at least June but the roadway has been repaired. Right now, everything is coming in by ferry.
Russian fortifications on Crimea are a little on the hilarious side, they're recreating Hitler's defenses in NOrmandy. It's funny because the only country with amphibious assault capability like that is the US and we're not fighting this war. My best guess says that Ukraine will spend the next year making it too expensive for Russia to try to keep Crimea. They're assisted by the Tatar population, evicted by Russia and allowed to return by Ukraine.
So far, Russia has succeeded in messng up the tourist beaches with their trenches and pillboxes.
aggiesal
(8,864 posts)Just having fun with you.
republianmushroom
(13,061 posts)Response to brooklynite (Original post)
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Raine
(30,540 posts)nothing. Europe is doing plenty but they're doing lots of it behind the scenes.
niyad
(112,438 posts)James48
(4,416 posts)Posting a location of military vehicle movement is a sure way to get it attacked. Stop doing that. OPERATIONAL SECURITY -
former9thward
(31,805 posts)And if it is interested in military equipment moving around it has satellites with far superior skills than anecdotal internet posters. We have moved beyond WW II security a long time ago.
BradBo
(516 posts)Just a training exercise.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)WWII, War Advertising Council: Loose lips sink ships!
former9thward
(31,805 posts)You believe Russia has to rely on anecdotal internet posters to know what is happening?
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)We know russia monitors and interferes with our internet.
I never said or implied they "rely on anecdotal internet posters." I am saying posting troop and equipment movements in Europe is dangerous. I would bet if you spoke to a US intelligence officer they would tell you the same thing.
I wonder why high level American officials travel in secret? If anecdotal internet postings don't matter why the secret.
Please visit this US military site and review you position.
https://www.military.com/deployment/maintaining-operational-security-with-social-media.html
It's as easy as a click of a mouse or a tap on a smartphone, and in a few seconds sensitive Army information might be shared that could get Soldiers killed.
With the ease of social media, in any part of the globe at any time, a Soldier, Army civilian, or family member can post pictures from a deployment or talk about an Army mission.
But these seemingly innocent posts could actually contain sensitive information that endangers Soldiers by revealing locations, security measures, mission operations, or troop movements, said the Army's social media experts.
former9thward
(31,805 posts)In addition there are hundreds of thousands of Russians in all the European countries and if Putin wants to rely on ground reports he has plenty of people. He does not need to rely on internet stories (which given the accuracy of the internet could be completely false).
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)They are quite clear about it on the site I provided.
But you go on ahead and put service men at risk.
Me I am sure the United States Military knows more about this stuff than I do.