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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,837 posts)
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 09:04 PM Mar 2023

Biden Budget Will Propose Tax Increase to Bolster Medicare

WASHINGTON — President Biden, as part of his budget set for release on Thursday, will propose raising a tax on Americans earning more than $400,000 as part of a series of efforts to extend the solvency of Medicare by a quarter-century.

The president will also propose expanding that tax, which helps fund health care programs, to cover a wider swath of income, including some earnings by business owners that currently are not subject to it, White House officials said in a fact sheet released on Tuesday morning. Mr. Biden will also seek to broaden a measure, passed last year entirely with Democratic votes, that allows Medicare to negotiate the price of certain prescription drugs with pharmaceutical companies, which is projected to save the government money.

His plans are unlikely to become law. They are almost certain to be rejected by Republicans, who won control of the House in November and roundly oppose tax increases.

But in focusing on Medicare in the budget and before its release, Mr. Biden is seeking to sharpen a contrast with Republicans and cast himself as a protector of cherished retirement programs — both for his likely re-election campaign and for a looming congressional battle over raising the nation’s borrowing limit that centers on taxes, spending and debt.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/biden-budget-will-propose-tax-increase-to-bolster-medicare/ar-AA18jHfA

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Biden Budget Will Propose Tax Increase to Bolster Medicare (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2023 OP
Raise the CAP!!! JohnSJ Mar 2023 #1
+1 Meadowoak Mar 2023 #3
That would help Social Security, but don't think there is a Cap on Medicare tax. Silent Type Mar 2023 #4
There isn't a Cap on Medicare tax madville Mar 2023 #5
Doesn't the social security administration collect Medicare premiums? 1.45% of wages JohnSJ Mar 2023 #8
Oh my god. W_HAMILTON Mar 2023 #6
Doesn't the SSA collect Medicare premiums? 1.45% of wages JohnSJ Mar 2023 #9
I don't know right off hand, but what does that have to do with anything? W_HAMILTON Mar 2023 #12
Thanks, I thought they were combined JohnSJ Mar 2023 #16
Together, they are often referred to as the FICA Tax... W_HAMILTON Mar 2023 #18
I appreciate this +++ JohnSJ Mar 2023 #19
I think most people know raise the cap refers to Social Security. yorkster Mar 2023 #10
From my experience, there are plenty enough around that do not know the difference. W_HAMILTON Mar 2023 #11
You know, it well may be that many people conflate medicare, medicaid, and social security. yorkster Mar 2023 #13
Again, from what I've seen, that's not the case. W_HAMILTON Mar 2023 #14
Kill Medicare Advantage. DURHAM D Mar 2023 #2
I LIKE IT. n/t CousinIT Mar 2023 #7
Gol darn it!!!! newdayneeded Mar 2023 #15
Reality NowISeetheLight Mar 2023 #17

Silent Type

(2,885 posts)
4. That would help Social Security, but don't think there is a Cap on Medicare tax.
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 09:36 PM
Mar 2023

In fact, over a certain level of income — around $200,000 — they tack on an additional 0.9%.

madville

(7,408 posts)
5. There isn't a Cap on Medicare tax
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 09:40 PM
Mar 2023

It actually goes up an additional 0.9% on all wages over $200,000 annually.

W_HAMILTON

(7,849 posts)
6. Oh my god.
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 09:44 PM
Mar 2023

THERE IS NO CAP ON MEDICARE WAGES AS IT IS.

Third time today I've heard this catchphrase wrongly used in response to Biden's actions.

W_HAMILTON

(7,849 posts)
12. I don't know right off hand, but what does that have to do with anything?
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 03:08 PM
Mar 2023

Medicare is paid for by a dedicated tax.

Social Security is paid for by a dedicated tax.

They are not the same tax.

Medicare has no cap; ALL covered wages are subject to the Medicare tax.

Social Security has a cap; not all covered wages are subject to the Social Security tax.

W_HAMILTON

(7,849 posts)
18. Together, they are often referred to as the FICA Tax...
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 01:35 PM
Mar 2023

...but they are still two very different taxes.

Here is a quick explanation of the term and the taxes from the SSA: https://www.ssa.gov/thirdparty/materials/pdfs/educators/What-is-FICA-Infographic-EN-05-10297.pdf

yorkster

(1,472 posts)
10. I think most people know raise the cap refers to Social Security.
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 11:59 PM
Mar 2023

Maybe they just want Pres. Biden to move on to SS after he tackles medicare. Sounds good to me.

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W_HAMILTON

(7,849 posts)
11. From my experience, there are plenty enough around that do not know the difference.
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 03:06 PM
Mar 2023

And these being the first responses of people to an article about Medicare would indicate that.

It's also similar to how people get Medicare confused with Medicaid quite a bit; unless you are educated on the subject or have had some direct experience with them, it's easy enough to get them confused, but to successfully promote and further their policy agenda, people need to be educated on the subjects with which they speak.

yorkster

(1,472 posts)
13. You know, it well may be that many people conflate medicare, medicaid, and social security.
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 03:26 PM
Mar 2023

It may also be the case that when one hears that Pres. Biden is looking to protect Medicare for future generations, one may make a natural leap to thoughts of protecting social security, which raising the cap would do.

W_HAMILTON

(7,849 posts)
14. Again, from what I've seen, that's not the case.
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 04:48 PM
Mar 2023

And protecting Social Security will not protect Medicare. Raising the cap on Social Security is a completely separate funding source and will not protect Medicare. And if you are gonna make that sort of leap, you can make that lead to almost anything. Might as well shout whatever the new "raise the minimum wage" slogan is in response to talk of protecting Medicare, since higher wages = more Medicare taxes paid in.

I just think it does no good to make those sorts of leaps and rather simply focus on the topic at hand, which is protecting Medicare and ensuring it is there and well-funded for the next generations in line for it.

newdayneeded

(1,955 posts)
15. Gol darn it!!!!
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 05:13 PM
Mar 2023

Why won't Biden think of those multi Millionaires that have 6 or 7 million in their savings accounts!

They can't afford a tax increase!!1!11!1!

Is the sarcasm tag really needed here?

NowISeetheLight

(3,943 posts)
17. Reality
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 06:17 PM
Mar 2023

I’ve read that the average Medicare recipient receives 2-5x what they paid in as benefits. The program is horribly underfunded. After working in hospital revenue cycle for a career I can support this fact. According to JAMA (Journal if the American Medical Assn) over a quarter of all Medicare spending goes to those in the last year of life. Instead of making people comfortable and pain free (like hospice) it’s “keep them alive at all costs” in many cases.

I remember working in a hospital in AZ in CDI around 2011. We had a patient in ICU. A lady in her 70s with stage 4 breast and lung cancer. Lifetime smoker. Her sister was medical OOA and insisted we keep her alive. She was vented, sedated, a vegetable, absolutely no quality of life. Medicare was it for insurance so we were losing $$$ every day. Finally the ethics board took up the case and the decision was made to discontinue care. I’m very sympathetic to family losing someone. I’ve list both parents in the last decade. But I’d never let them “linger” like that.

As a society we should ask if we are getting anything for our money. I see TV commercials for these genetic cancer drugs. They claim to “extend life” but the small print says stuff like ‘lives 16 months instead of 11”. I google the cost of these drugs and it’s tens of thousands a month. I looked up Keytruda and it’s $11k every three weeks.

I fully agree a tax increase should be considered, but the underlying problem of drugs costing too much is still a problem to be solved.

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