The silence re: Jan 5 is bugging me again today.

[Grasswire2]

If the bombs had exploded, the VP elect could have been killed; she was at the DNC property. Fifteen days before inauguration.

This is rarely a matter of public discussion. But what could have been the plot then? Just chaos? Or particular vengeance against her?

It's very troublesome to have silence maintained by Wray.

[Fiendish Thingy]

1. Well, if it's being investigated, they won't talk about it

Because that’s how investigations work- no information released until indictments.

And if it’s not being investigated, there’s nothing to talk about.

[Grasswire2]

2. LOL

I'll set that aside.

[SoCalDavidS]

3. LOL!!!!

And if it’s not being investigated, there’s nothing to talk about.

Yeah, nothing to see here. Just a potential attempted bombing at Democratic Party offices within hours of the Capitol Riot. No big deal.

Maybe we could talk about WHY wouldn't it be investigated, and why no Accountability for whomever planted the devices. Nah.

No reason for concern. I'm sure it won't happen again.

[Grasswire2]

6. Officer Riley, first to arrive at the scene, was charged..

Withholding evidence. And known to be in communication with an insurrectionist.


Here is the charging document.

[link:https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21085728/10-14-21-us-v-michael-riley-indictment.pdf|

[Fiendish Thingy]

12. YOU can talk about it all you want

I thought the OP was complaining about the silence from DOJ…a silence which is appropriate at this point.

[bullimiami]

4. its pretty bug-worthy. It is at the heart of the conspiracy after all.

[Achilleaze]

5. The Republicans were busy TRAITORS on Jan 5

Hatching their evil plan to piss and shit all over America, Congress, the truth, and the teachings of their very own Bible. Russia cheered the G.O.P. traitors on and on and on...

[Grasswire2]

13. that photo doesn't show the evil actors Victoria Toensing and Joseph diGenova.

They were also in the war room. They try to stay out of the news. But evil, evil, evil.

[Achilleaze]

16. Republicans who betray America do indeed deserve mug shots

You are right, Grasswire2

Corrupt G.O.P. lawyers are toxic for truth, honor, integrity, and democracy.

[Grasswire2]

27. thank you

They were at the Willard War Room, but somehow managed to keep their exposure limited.

Bad actors since the Clinton administration.

[Grasswire2]

7. Officer Riley .... who is he? First to arrive at pipe bomb

[link:https://www.huffpost.com/entry/michael-riley-capitol-police-obstruction-jan-6_n_6169b27ae4b0931431fd3aee|

[Grasswire2]

8. news article

U.S. Capitol Police Officer Michael Riley, seen here in 2011, faces two charges of obstruction.

A veteran Capitol Police officer has been charged by federal authorities with two counts of obstruction after he allegedly warned a Capitol rioter to remove Facebook posts that showed him inside the building.

Officer Michael Angelo Riley was on K-9 duty on Jan. 6 and even responded to reports of an explosive device near the Capitol complex, according to authorities. The next day, Riley reached out to a Facebook friend ― one he knew because they were both “avid fishermen and members of fishing-related Facebook groups” ― and warned him to take down posts showing him inside the Capitol.

“[I’m] a capitol police officer who agrees with your political stance. Take down the part about being in the building they are currently investigating and everyone who was in the building is going to [get] charged,” Riley wrote. “Just looking out!”

While the rioter is only listed as “Person-1” in Riley’s charging papers, he is believed to be Jacob Hiles. Hiles was arrested on the same date as “Person-1” and like “Person-1” allegedly smoked weed inside the Capitol and has an interest in fishing. (In fact, he was a fishing charter captain in Virginia Beach, Virginia.) Hiles pleaded guilty last month, and his sentencing is scheduled for Dec. 6

more at link in previous post

[Grasswire2]

9. there is some first-person comment in the twitterverse...

....that in footage of the bomber walking with the bombs, a Capitol Police car -- K-9 -- passes the bomber and slows a bit and the bomber seems to acknowledge.

Michael Riley was K-9 officer.

Silence from the premier investigative law enforcement agency.

[Grasswire2]

10. I have not looked at the footage to see if a K-9 car passes the bomber..

...while she is walking.

[gab13by13]

11. IMO the pipe bombs were a diversion

meant to draw law enforcement away from the Capitol.

[Grasswire2]

14. were they meant to explode?

and were they viable? I have yet to see confirmation.

[Ohio Joe]

15. So... A few things...

"If the bombs had exploded, the VP elect could have been killed; she was at the DNC property. Fifteen days before inauguration."

I find it extremely unlikely the pipe bomb could have killed VP Harris. It was not at the DNC but at a park bench nearby. It is true that her motorcade drove by but even if it went off at that exact moment, it would not have penetrated her vehicle, it's far to armored.

"This is rarely a matter of public discussion. But what could have been the plot then? Just chaos? Or particular vengeance against her?"

The theories I've seen was that it was meant to get some of the capitol police away from the capitol during the insurrection... Even not going off, it succeeded in doing that.

"It's very troublesome to have silence maintained by Wray."

Now... Wray is a shitbag, no doubt about that but... What are you expecting to hear? All the video is available for viewing, there is a half million reward out and the only viable lead they have to follow is the sneakers but with 2 billion in sales... That is a lot of sneakers to chase down. I'm just not sure what you are expecting him to say

[Grasswire2]

17. Please. The premier law enforcement agency in the country if not in the world...

....cannot identify a suspect in a crime with potentially sensational outcome, despite multiple images moving and still? Despite years passing?

Not believable.

If the bomber were a nobody, we would have been told the identity by now.

If the bomber is a member of Congress, the reveal becomes more problematic.

[Ohio Joe]

18. OK... A few more things...

"....cannot identify a suspect in a crime with potentially sensational outcome, despite multiple images moving and still? Despite years passing?"

Here are the videos:

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/washingtondc/news/press-releases/fbi-washington-field-office-releases-video-and-additional-information-regarding-the-pipe-bomb-investigation-090821

Which video (please include timestamp) shows something to be identified.

"Not believable."

Then you should have no problem identifying the person.

"If the bomber were a nobody, we would have been told the identity by now.

If the bomber is a member of Congress, the reveal becomes more problematic."

So... Now you a wandering full on into conspiracy. You really think Marjie is brave or smart enough to build pipe bombs, wander the streets with them and then set them? Or any other member of congress? Simply fantasyland. You are also flat out stating that the Biden admin is covering for the would be bomber... Simply bullshit and a transparent attack on dems. You should self delete.

[Grasswire2]

20. you are putting words in my mouth

You could delete.

Or you could provide a reasonable explanation as to why there is no progress in this investigation.

Wray is a Trump appointee, not a Biden appointee. By your standard, criticizing Louis DeJoy is also an attack on Biden?

Please. Chill.

[Ohio Joe]

21. No, I'm not...

Wray is not doing the investigation in a vacuum. You are stating they know who it is, it's a member of congress and they are hiding it... Not one person in the hundreds involved in the investigation are saying anything... They are all in on it... And that includes a lot of Biden people.

"Or you could provide a reasonable explanation as to why there is no progress in this investigation."

I did in post #15 and post #18... You have elected to ignore what I said and not address any of it, instead coming up with a CT that allows you to blame the Biden administration. Did you find that video evidence yet?

[Grasswire2]

23. Done.

Done with the insults and that putting words in my mouth and more, making many assumptions of your own.

The lack of courtesy is rather shocking.

And I don't really consider a Trump holdover to be legitimate part of a Democratic administration. Not Wray (with all his history), and not DeJoy (with all his corruption).

The distinction between the two being that POTUS can't fire Postmaster. And Biden evidently can't fire Wray or Garland because of the trap GOP has set by investigating Hunter. Were Biden to fire either of them, impeachment proceedings would immediately be brought by GOP.

YMMV, and I won't insult you.

[Ohio Joe]

28. So... You won't address the facts...

Nor present any for your CT... ok then.

[tritsofme]

29. You are suggesting the Biden administration is involved in a massive coverup.

When you spew crap like that, how much courtesy do you think you are owed?

These are the words that came out of your mouth, no one put them there.

If the bomber were a nobody, we would have been told the identity by now.

If the bomber is a member of Congress, the reveal becomes more problematic.

[inthewind21]

19. Well then

By your standards, there should be zero criminals at large. EVER.

[brooklynite]

22. Perhaps call him and he'll give you a briefing?

Since an indictment hasn’t been handed down, what should be discussed about it?

[Grasswire2]

25. IF the bomber's identity is known...

...(and it's very difficult to believe it is not known by the country's premier law enforcement agency), then why isn't the bomber indicted?

You raise an excellent point. Why withhold charges?

[bigtree]

24. att: FBI

...Grasswire requesting briefing.

[Grasswire2]

26. CITIZENS (I am not alone in this question) asking for adjudication of crime.

As is our lawful right.

[bigtree]

30. lol

...are there any adjudicators in the house?!

[Grasswire2]

31. I don't understand the hostility here on DU.

It's not new.

[bigtree]

32. I'm having a laugh

...everyone has questions.

Blaming Ray for 'silence, though' (and not accepting the reason given for that silence) gave me a little snicker.


here's a good domestic terrorism report complete with 'thwarted' attacks:

Of the 230 thwarted violent attacks in the U.S. classified by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) as terrorism, so-called “domestic" plots have significantly outnumbered plots from "foreign terrorist organizations" since 9/11.

This report looks at thwarted plots from what the DHS classifies as "foreign terrorist organizations," which the DHS defines as attacks carried out by or under the direction of foreign terrorist organizations (FTOs) such as ISIS or al-Qaeda; "homegrown violent extremists," or individuals who operate primarily within the United States and who are inspired by foreign terrorist organizations but are not acting at their direction; and "domestic terrorism," a broad category that generally refers to terrorism that takes place primarily within the United States, is not inspired by a foreign terrorist group, and encompasses white supremacists.

Of the 230 unsuccessful attacks or plots in the U.S. since 9/11 documented in the report, 28 were directed by foreign terrorist organizations, 118 were committed by homegrown violent extremists inspired by such organizations, and 84 were committed by domestic terrorists.

read more: https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/papers/2021/HomelandSecurity