Well... Here's What President Biden's Youngest Delegate Says About The Willow Decision

[GGoss]

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[Phoenix61]

1. I'm curious why are are pushing this narrative so hard?

The Biden administration didn’t issue the lease. They aren’t allowing the entire lease to be worked. They got concessions from the lease holder. Is it perfect? Nope but not much in life is.

[GGoss]

3. Because He Made A Promise, And Then Broke It

People tend to get upset about such things.

This is just from today... one page 1...

Link: https://tinyurl.com/2sjjyucc

[Phoenix61]

4. Of course. Makes perfect sense. Because things in the real

world don’t change. Why would someone on DU want to support Biden. So much better to blast him right? That’s what you’re saying isn’t it?

[jcgoldie]

5. Pretty sure its possible to be critical of a decision Biden has made...

...while still supporting Biden.

[GGoss]

8. Some Find That Harder Than Others

[slightlv]

19. From one incensed about this decision,

I agree. I fully support Biden and think he's been the man for the job at the right time. However, that does NOT mean I agree or accept everything he has (or has not) done. Beyond this, ignoring the SCOTUS mess is a hot button issue for me that's not gotten enough action or attention. Sometimes, I think Biden's decency gets in the way of his seeing that R's can't be trusted. That this isn't the Congress he came up in. He still hopes, idealistically IMO, for some sort of honest bipartisanship. While I can applaud the idea, I can also deal with the fact the R's are a traitorous bunch of monsters who are never going to do anything good for Biden, no matter how much he tries to reach deals with them. They will stab him in the back every time. Personally, I see this as one of those "turn the other cheek" kind of things. Which I'm not really cool on at this stage in America's history.

Having said that, I can still say I fully support Joe Biden and honor and esteem him for the man he is, and the president he has been and will hopefully be again. We're not Repugs. We don't (or shouldn't, IME) follow someone, cult-like, regardless. We should be able to retain our own critical thinking capabilities and our freedom to state when we don't agree with policy or actions/non-actions. That isn't a dig on the man, as a man or as a president. It's an informed voter.

Kinda like, I love my husband but there are a few things that drive me nuts after all these years. Do I wish he'd stop doing them? Hell, yeah. Will he? Probably not. Am I going to find a way to live with that which drives me nuts? Probably, because I love and respect the man. We don't get everything we want in this world. Hell, we're lucky if we get a very small piece of it. But it shouldn't stop us from trying to make it better.

[inthewind21]

24. Ignoring

the SC mess? You mean the mess the voting public made? What exactly do you expect Biden to do at this stage to clean up years, even decades of the voting public failing to see what was was coming, if allowed?

[GGoss]

27. Thank You For That !!!

[Cha]

57. Have you seen All the FACTS?.. the OP is Ignoring them..

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[panader0]

61. Thanks for this.

[W_HAMILTON]

30. Would be nice to see the """support""" part every now and then.

Just saying!

[Phoenix61]

97. Of course it is. But again, the leases were a done deal.

Just like the decision to pull out of Afghanistan was a done deal.

[GGoss]

7. As Someone Who Voted For Him, I Feel It's Important To Point Out What I Consider To Be A Mistake

I believe Candidate Biden said we should hold him accountable.

He...made the pledge/promise... not me.

[Phoenix61]

12. One post would be holding him accountable.

Three is beating a dead horse. Not to mention he hasn’t issued any new leases and significantly decreased the impact of the Willow lease.

[GGoss]

14. Well... We've Heard From The White House And The Interior Department, Let's See

what the Environmentalists have to say, shall we ?

And Generation Z
And the kids who will turn 18 before November 2024
And dozens of other groups, I'm sure...

[Phoenix61]

20. They'll say wouldn't it have been nice if the leases had never been granted.

And it so would have been but that’s not where we are. So, they’ll say it’s good that they restricted the area. It’s good they gave up unused leases. It’s good the government limited the output to the minimum ConocoPhillips said they needed to make it profitable.

[womanofthehills]

85. What's the big deal with the leases?

The court could decide that the environment comes first and ConocoPhillips gets damages. Let’s see - what
could be the outcome -

1. No oil drilling because judge rules against it because it damages the planet or 2. ConocoPhillips wins it court & is awarded 5 billion dollars or 3. The US drills & the pollution is equal to around 70 new coal fire plants for 30 yrs. - My choice would be to give ConocoPhillips 5 billion to save the planet.

“ConocoPhillips has held leases to the prospective drilling site for more than two decades, and administration attorneys argued that refusing a permit would trigger a lawsuit that could cost the government as much as $5 billion, according to administration officials who asked not to be identified in order to discuss legal strategy.” https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/13/climate/willow-biden-oil-climate.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

[Cha]

52. Why are you Ignoring the FACTS?!

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[womanofthehills]

87. This decision can go to court - it's not set in gold

“Earthjustice, an environmental group, said it would sue to stop the project as soon as Wednesday and expects to be joined by several other organizations. Environmental groups argued that the administration had the legal authority to deny ConocoPhillips a permit and should have done so based on a federal environmental review that found “substantial concerns” about the project’s impact on the climate, the danger it poses to freshwater sources and the way it threatens migratory birds, caribou, whales and other animals that inhabit the region.”

The burning of oil produced by the Willow project would cause 280 million metric tons of carbon emissions, according to a federal analysis. On an annual basis, that would translate into 9.2 million metric tons of carbon pollution, equal to adding nearly two million cars to the roads each year. The United States, the second-biggest polluter on the planet after China, emits about 5.6 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide annually. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/13/climate/willow-biden-oil-climate.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare


(Equal to 2 million extra cars on the road or 70 or 80 coal firing plants)

[Cha]

58. But you're Ignoring the FACTS.. WHY?

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[sheshe2]

62. Recommend!

Thank you for facts, Cha.

[Cha]

64. YVW, she.. the OP is Consistently IGNORING the FACTS.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17728839

[mcar]

92. I wonder why too, Cha

[womanofthehills]

95. The facts are Biden can pay off ConocoPhillips for 5 billion

Which is what the gov would pay if they lost in court. We have sent Ukraine over 100 billion, so why can’t we give ConocoPhillips 5 billion to not pollute the planet more. We are complaining about coal fired plants in the world and the pollution from this project would equal around 80 coal fired plants. For one percentage more of oil we are going to screw the planet more when wind & solar are growing.

[Phoenix61]

98. You can't pay off someone who doesn't want to be paid off.

That pay off is what might happen if it went to court and the US lost. Another outcome is they get exactly what they paid for. The right to drill wherever they want on the lease they bought.

[inthewind21]

13. Clearly

some aren't capable of actually looking at the facts of what they are so upset about beyond Twitter, FB, blogs and other media sources. This country is in dire need of some critical thinking and civics 101 classes. Biden also promised to protect Roe, I guess we should vote his ass out now, or vote 3rd party!! Because that will teach him!

[Phoenix61]

17. So it's not just me?!?

And people wonder how TFG got elected.

[inthewind21]

22. No

it's not just you. People are up in arms about the SC and the BS draconian laws states are passing. Rightfully so. However, the republicans have been broadcasting for DECADES what their intentions were. 1. Control the Supreme Court 2. Pack the Federal Courts 3. Take over State Houses. 4. Start unraveling EVERYTHING. They have accomplished all three and are diligently working on goal 4. I am VERY clear on what that means. Yet there seems to be a HUGE amount of the population that doesn't have a clue and seem to think the POTUS can wave a magic wand and make it all go away. And honestly, THAT is more frustrating than even Trump is. In the future, when historians look back at what has happened in the US, they won't be asking "why did the media do this?" They'll ask, Why did American citizens allow this to happen? Because THAT is exactly what happened.

[sheshe2]

63. Not just you, not at all.

[Cha]

55. Well said about "the Critical Thinking"..

and the lack thereof.

Those of us who are capable have seen this shit go down before and we got Fascism in our WH and Spread throughout our County.

They are Ignoring the Critical Facts and For WHAT?!!

[betsuni]

65. +1

[Act_of_Reparation]

93. So by "support", you mean...

...unquestioning sycophantism.

Gotcha.

[Phoenix61]

99. Not even close. I mean knowing the possible outcomes

and not blaming Biden when the one I want isn’t on the table.
1. The leases were a done deal.
2. There’s no way of knowing what happens if it goes to court.
3. Biden mitigated the impact. They didn’t get everything they wanted.

[ripcord]

6. Everyone knows politicians can't be expected to keep their promises

[mopinko]

15. ppl who live in a black and white world do, yes.

ppl who can see the grey get it.
black and white thinking is at the root of a lot of what’s wrong w the world today.

nobody seems to be pointing out that it’s prolly pretty smart to throw murkowski a bone. native communities in the area supported it, tho not all.
it’d be nice if joe could flip a switch and we’d need no more oil. in the real world, it will take time.

and ppl get upset when stuff like this gets pounded on day in and day out.
it’s called nuance, compromise, and that’s supposed to be a liberal strength.

[Texaswitchy]

33. Exactly.

I am really over Gen Z.

And millennials.

Live a few more years.

Life is about negotiation and you don't get exactly what you want when you want it.

We have three members on the Supreme Court that would not be there except for that b/w thinking.

I have negotiated years worth of union contacts.


President Biden did well with what he got stuck with.

[Mariana]

40. The majority of people over 50 vote Republican.

If that wasn't true, we wouldn't need the young people's votes so badly. As it is, we do need them, so it's a good idea to make nice with them.

You know that Gen Z ranges in age from about 10 to 25, yes? How can you possibly be "really over Gen Z" when half of them are literally children?

[Texaswitchy]

44. A lot younger people vote Republican.

And will vote Republican.

A lot of boomers vote Democrat, have all our voting life's.

I am over the purity crowd.

You younger guys just don't have critical thinking skills needed.

That is how we lost the to Trump and lost the Supreme Court.

Lost Roe.

I interview to many millennials and Gen Z to be impressed.

I still interview for my local union and for companies.

Companies want to know about their employees for future promotions and things like that.

I get paid good money.

You guys don't seem to understand you need to compromise a little.

Maybe it was the way you guys grew up.

Boomers played in large groups so we learned how compromise to get what we wanted.

We didn't take the ball go home.


Joe was handed a bad deal just like we did when we took the Union. He did well considering what he had to deal with.

We had some really bad contracts to deal with.
Kick backs and corruption.
It was a nightmare .

We got the companies to renegotiate.
The people who wrote the contracts were gone on our side.
We worked it out.
The companies were good companies to deal with.
In few years we got contracts we wanted.

The fine art of compromise.

When you younger people learn this I will have more trust.

The little kids will most likely to turn out the same way.
My way or highway.

Trust is hard to earn and easy to loose.

I am glad my kids and grandkids live in Canada.

I hope 2024 works out.

Look at Florida.

The Governor running for President.

I hope the purity crowd grows up.

[Celerity]

71. Ironic that you're calling out so-called purity, yet demanding purity in terms of no dissent allowed

Stating disagreement with a large policy decision is not at all the same thing as advocating to not vote for Biden or somehow bashing Democrats.

A massive chunk of Democrats are not in favour of Willow. We voted for a candidate who at least twice said no new drilling on federal lands.

As he campaigned for POTUS in 2020, Biden responded to a New Hampshire town hall question unequivocally, adding repetition for emphasis.

'No more drilling on federal lands' he said on Feb. 9, 2020. 'Period. Period. Period. Period.'

https://www.c-span.org/video/?469091-1/joe-biden-holds-get-vote-hudson-hampshire&live



Biden repeated that stance a month later, saying at a presidential primary debate: 'No more drilling on federal lands. No more drilling, including offshore. No ability for the oil industry to continue to drill, period, end.'

I find this whole authoritarian 'tow the line, sit down, shut up and take it' slant that is being pushed in various guises and manifestations by too many on here to be abhorrent, and frankly un-Democratic Party.

We are a big tent, we are messy, we are not the fucking Rethugs. There should be no 'support a policy you profoundly disagree with or you are evil and an enemy' ethos in our party.

Dissent is a fundamental cornerstone of democracy.

As for your trying to somehow slag off us younger Gens and big up Boomers, (along with your condescending snark about critical thinking:



that is bollocks on balance


Millennials and Gen Z are on track to equal Boomers and above in 2024 in terms of actual votes not just eligible voters.

Add in the Xennial aka Carter Babies (born 1977 to 1980) micro gen and we should pass them with ease, again in terms of votes cast, not just eligible voters.

Also we are vastly more Democratic in our voting patterns than the older gens (especially Boomers and up, but now, worryingly starting to include older Gen Xers). We helped turbocharge the 2018 Blue Wave, were a key factor in Biden's 2020 win, and helped turn the Red Wave into a puddle splash in 2022.

18 to 34 year olds support Biden as the nominee in 2024 by a net 48 points HIGHER than the older Gen Xers and the younger Boomers in an A- rated poll from a couple weeks ago.

here are some age breakdowns for 2016, 2018, 2020, and 2022 from the links above

2020






2022 Election: Young Voters Have High Midterm Turnout, Influence Critical Races

https://circle.tufts.edu/2022-election-center

Youth Prefer Democrats by 28-Point Margin

According to the Edison Research National Election Pool exit poll, the national youth vote choice for the U.S. House of Representatives was 63% for Democrats, 35% for Republicans. That’s almost identical to 2020, when youth preferred Democrats to Republicans by 62% to 36%, and a small shift in favor of Republicans from the previous midterm: in 2018, the youth vote between Democrats and Republicans was 67% to 32%—which was the largest margin ever for Democrats among young voters.






2022

https://edition.cnn.com/election/2022/exit-polls/national-results/house/0

[betsuni]

79. No.

[Autumn]

45. As a Boomer I'm hearing that Gen Z and millennials are over Boomers so there's that.

Can't say as how I blame them. We are passing them one hell of a fucked up future. We have three members on the Supreme Court that would not be there except for the fucking republicans. We do have two political parties you know.

[Texaswitchy]

74. Who threw a temper tantrum over Hillary.

Trump did number on this country.

Opened the door for all the nut cases.

Look at who attacked the capital, and tried to kidnap the Governor of Michigan.

Look at the members of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.

The Charlottesville crowd with the torches
The guy who killed the Heather was like 24 years old.

Don't forget Rittenhouse .

The guy who shot up grocery store, the guy who shot up the Walmart in El Paso.

All young people.

Spare me.

Young folks have done their share of damage to this country..

We all almost lost our country to Capitol crowd .
Go back and look at the videos.

Check out the young people.
It wasn't the elderly boomers attacking the police and breaking down the windows and doors.

Spare me.

[Autumn]

76. Spare me with that bullshit. Hillary won by almost 3 million votes over Trump. Those

people who chose not to vote for her were irrelevant. Trump belongs on the back of the fucking Republican party. He's their animal, had it not been for young people Trump may have won a second term.

[Celerity]

88. This is across the board rot. Boomers and up have voted majority Rethug for ages, the younger

voters (especially Millennials and Gen Z) have voted massively in favour of the Democrats. We are the ones who are overcoming the older gen's propensity to vote for the RW.

I already showed this in a reply to you before, and I have since fleshed it out even more here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217728222#post81

the evidence is overwhelming that I am factually correct in my claims.


you said this:

Young folks have done their share of damage to this country..

That is pure garbage on balance when you compare our voting record to the older Gens, and our vastly lower levels of racism. sexism, homophobia, etc. compared to the older Gens' levels. Do not try to disproportionately fob this shit we are in onto OUR backs. We are a massive bulwark against all this.

If I made an OP and lit into Boomers and up, took slanted shits on them like you are trying to do with us young folk, I would get crucified, yet I see us constantly belittled, ridiculed, and attacked en masse by far too many.

All it takes is a handful of non-representative (in regards to the totality of the youth/younger cohorts) self-selected and/or self-posited examples of some random Millennials or Gen Zs and off we go on the witch-hunts and the howls of outrage offering up broad-brush condemnations and demonisations of us.

I am not going to stay silent in regards to these framings trying to scapegoat the hell out of us like you are trying to do. It is bullshit, it is divisive, it is offensive, and it is simply inaccurate.


you said this

Who threw a temper tantrum over Hillary.

you tell me

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/



The older gens voted majority for Trump, we voted majority Clinton, and the rates for us Millennials and Gen Zers (your specific targets for attack) voting Blue, percentage-wise, would be even higher if you subtract out Gen X, especially the oldest half of Gen X. It is not even close as to who (age-wise) actually put Trump into the Presidency.

Not only am I younger (26 now) but I am also a person of colour, mixed race black. What you and others are doing by blaming us younger voters is similar to what some have tried to do when they point to slight increases for Trump voting (especially amongst black males) amongst blacks as some sort of main reason for Trump or Rethug success, whilst somewhat or even fully ignoring the massive bifurcation between black and white (especially white males) in terms of their respective voting patterns/support for the RW.

Do not try and blame us for that shit. The young and also PoC pull the Blue lever over the Red lever FAR more often in terms of percentages than Boomer and up Gens and the overall white population (both of those two cohorts vote majority Rethug) in the US. Us younger voters and also us PoC voters already have played massive and positive difference making roles for years, again as I have fully documented.


You also are using extremely problematic framing to try and broad brush smear the younger people of the nation.

We are profoundly LESS racist overall than older gens, yet you are trying to pick out very small groups (the January 6 rioters, Proud Boys, Charlottesville, etc) and then use these narrow examples to broad-brush smear us as whole.

That very thing is a favourite tactic of the RW, when they use a small number bad apples from groups they hate (blacks, Latinos, LGBTQ, etc etc) amplify and overstate them beyond all reason, and then tar and feather all members of those groups, all because of the actions of a tiny overall percentage of those large groups.

Also the top of the pyramid leaders and progenitors of those racist events and groups you mentioned (and the RW in general to broaden it out) are NOT youth.

Elmer Stewart Rhodes (Oath Keeps founder and leader) is 56 or 57.

Gavin McInnes (Proud Boys founder and leader) is 52.

The National Policy Institute, one of, (if not the overall) main drivers of Charlottesville, was founded and led (at the time of the Unite The Right) by William Regnery II, who died in 2021 at the age of 80. Richard Spencer was his lieutenant and acting president, and even he, at almost 45, is not a Millennial or Gen Zer.

Alex Jones turns 50 in less than a year.

Steve Bannon turns 70 this coming November.

etc etc



you said

Check out the young people.
It wasn't the elderly boomers attacking the police and breaking down the windows and doors.

well....

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2022/01/03/jan-6-rioters-white-older



https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/01/january-6-capitol-riot-arrests-research-profile.html



and





81-year-old US Capitol rioter sentenced to three years of probation

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/21/politics/81-year-old-january-6-defendant-wickersham/index.html


Partial database of those arrested and charged (many who were there are still unidentified or not arrested, hopefully they all are eventually)

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/09/965472049/the-capitol-siege-the-arrested-and-their-stories


a sample of those whose ages are listed:

[Texaswitchy]

75. Who threw a temper tantrum over Hillary.

Trump did number on this country.

Opened the door for all the nut cases.

Look at who attacked the capital, and tried to kidnap the Governor of Michigan.

Look at the members of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.

The Charlottesville crowd with the torches
The guy who killed the Heather was like 24 years old.

Don't forget Rittenhouse .

The guy who shot up grocery store, the guy who shot up the Walmart in El Paso.

All young people.

Spare me.

Young folks have done their share of damage to this country..

We all almost lost our country to Capitol crowd .
Go back and look at the videos.

Check out the young people.
It wasn't the elderly boomers attacking the police and breaking down the windows and doors.

Spare me.

[AntivaxHunters]

46. Wow...

Just wow...
Horrible take.

[Bettie]

59. Did you miss the part where he said he supports Biden?

But, I get it, you are "over" it, those kids with their music, clothes, and opinions...on the lawn expecting to be treated like members of a society, much less members of the party they vote for in overwhelming numbers.

Why can't they just sit down and shut up.

Even a mild critique of a boomer is immediately slammed with hundreds of responses about ageism.

But, apparently, younger voters are not worthy of even being allowed an opinion.

[SharonClark]

16. My mom told me when I was arrogant, know-it-all, holier than thou teenager

that she couldn't wait until I got out in the real world and learned the world isn't all black and white.
She also told me the world wasn't invented the day I was born.

She was so right.

[Mariana]

41. Wait a minute.

You were an arrogant, know-it-all, holier than thou teenager? There were such entities back in the day? How can that be? I mean, that's how I remember it too, but most people here seem to think the existence of arrogant, know-it-all, holier than though teenagers is a very recent phenomenon, that only started with the Millennials.

[EndlessWire]

94. I was, too.

I got punched in the head for my arrogance, and I learned to hide it. But, the smugness of my youth faded rapidly, as I went without and retooled my attitude. It took a long, long time.

[Demsrule86]

23. Such people need to to consider

that there was no choice and we got valuable votes from Mukowski too. This is DU we support Democrats.

[sheshe2]

25. This

🎯

You’re back!

[GGoss]

28. And I've Supported (Straight Ticket) Democrats For Going On 50 Years

I think I've earned the right to call out stupid moves every once in a while.

[Cha]

48. It's NOT "stupid" just bc you say it is.

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[betsuni]

67. Saying Things Makes Them True For Going On 50 Years.

[Cha]

49. And, Stop Bashing Our Democratic President

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[Cha]

53. No one has "earned the right" to IGNORE

the FACTS.

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[karynnj]

31. Exactly!

Welcome back.

[Cha]

47. Get A Clue.. PJB is "An Environmental Pres.."

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So Does Victor Shil.

[Cha]

51. Yesh.. Gee I wonder.. Why are they Ignoring this?

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[Blues Heron]

2. but then they all have bucket lists as long as as my arm

they have these huge long scrolls of bucket list stuff they want to do. so it really is up to everyone to use less oil.

Lets go to Iceland!

Lets bicycle across Morocco!

etc. etc.

[Sympthsical]

9. They probably eat avocado toast

Kids today, amIrite?

[Just_Vote_Dem]

82. Ooo wish I had avocado toast for breakfast just now

Cheerios with almond milk (no sat fat) had to do

[Sympthsical]

84. Despite the stereotype

I unironically love avocado toast. We probably buy 5 or so avocados per week ($1 each). An over easy egg and sliced avocado on toast is pretty much my go-to "just need something quick and filling" breakfast. My partner likes to make guacamole with red onion regularly. Toasted bagel, thin layer of cream cheese, thin layer of that guac. So, so good.

Second go-to breakfast: Cheerios and sliced banana. =)

[SharonClark]

10. "Gen Z wants a liveabe planet"?

We ALL want a liveable planet and some of us, maybe most on DU, have been saying/working/voting on that for 50 years which shows how hard progress is. "Gen Z" didn't invent concern about the climate and global warming, they are the latest iteration of those who came before them. Shi's hubris is annoying.

I cringe when I hear politicians make promises, especially to the young and political newbies who are likely drawn to politics as single-issue voters. Politicians need to quit promising things they likely can't deliver on because many citizens take everything they hear at face value instead of having the experience to know that what politicians say is more about expressing their world view and aspirations.

No politician works in a bubble - I am disappointed in the Willow decision but I have to give President Biden a pass that he did his best in this situation. If he didn't then shame on me for trusting his judgement.

I'm more savvy about politics than I was 50+ years ago when I got involved as a teenager. Politicians, including those I vote for, often piss me off but if they support my issues, I vote for them and hope for their best.

[we can do it]

11. Jeezus H Crust- then throw EVERYTHING away over this.

This lease was signed long ago. Biden weakened agreement.

How many times will this purity bullshit continue to push us closer and closer to fascism? We won’t have another chance after 2024. But go ahead and keep spreading the drama.

[inthewind21]

18. Exactly

This purity bullshit is what got us here in the first place.

[we can do it]

21. Starting with fucking nadar.

[Texaswitchy]

38. Yes.

Hillary emails..

Still pissed off .


The hell we went thru.

Still going thru.

[Texaswitchy]

37. Damn right.

But her email crowd will not learn .

There is no purity in politics.

We will not survive another Trump.

We are lucky we got President Biden....

He knows what to do

[betsuni]

69. +1

[ananda]

26. I agree that Gen Z deserves to be enraged.

...

[Texaswitchy]

35. Gen Z need critical thinking skills .

President Biden did well.

We had to renegotiate a lot of contracts that we inherited in our local union.

Those contracts were so bad

We didn't get them perfect but they were a lot better...

In few years we have we negotiated better contracts, what we wanted.

Life works that way.

We were just kids really.

In our middle 20's then.

We had critical thinking skills.

Thinking long term.

[inthewind21]

39. Of course

But how does handing the government over to republicans because I'm enraged about X so I'm voting 3rd party help? They think the republicans will start right away working on the climate, forgiving student loans and putting Roe back in place? How'd that work for them in 2016?

[Mariana]

42. Young people won't hand the government over to the Republicans.

Republicans win elections because the majority of voters over 50 vote Republican. Young peole will complain about this stuff, but few of them will ever vote for the likes of Trump or De Santis.

[we can do it]

43. Not voting for desatan or not voting at all? Not voting at all IS a vote for fascism.

[Mariana]

96. The majority of old people in the US enthusiastically vote for fascism.

The majority of young people in the US do not vote for fascism. Let's lay the responsibility where it belongs.

[inthewind21]

54. But wait

I thought the young vote was soo important and everyone needed to appease them. Which is it? They either vote or they don't. Protest vote, you vote for the other side. Don't vote at all, you vote for the other side. So are they in the game or not?

[betsuni]

70. +1

[Celerity]

81. strawman

We are NOT turning the government over to the Republicans. Quite the opposite.

That danger is actually coming from Boomers and older, who have voted majority Republican for ages. Also now, unfortunately, it is looking like older Gen Xers are trending right as well.

Millennials and Gen Z are on track to equal Boomers and above in 2024 in terms of actual votes, not just eligible voters.

Add in the Xennial aka Carter Babies (born 1977 to 1980) micro gen and we should pass them with ease, again in terms of votes cast, not just eligible voters.

Also we are vastly more Democratic in our voting patterns than the older gens, especially Boomers and up. We helped turbocharge the 2018 Blue Wave, were a key factor in Biden's 2020 win, and helped turn the Red Wave into a puddle splash in 2022.

18 to 34 year olds support Biden as the nominee in 2024 by a net 48 points HIGHER than the older Gen Xers and the younger Boomers in an A- rated poll from a couple weeks ago.

here are some age breakdowns for 2016, 2018, 2020, and 2022

2020 (I had just turned 24 a few weeks before the 2020 elections)








Election Night 2018: Historically High Youth Turnout, Support for Democrats

https://circle.tufts.edu/latest-research/election-night-2018-historically-high-youth-turnout-support-democrats







Gen Z, Millennials and Gen X outvoted older generations in 2018 midterms

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/29/gen-z-millennials-and-gen-x-outvoted-older-generations-in-2018-midterms/

Midterm voter turnout reached a modern high in 2018, and Generation Z, Millennials and Generation X accounted for a narrow majority of those voters, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of newly available Census Bureau data.

The three younger generations – those ages 18 to 53 in 2018 – reported casting 62.2 million votes, compared with 60.1 million cast by Baby Boomers and older generations. It’s not the first time the younger generations outvoted their elders: The same pattern occurred in the 2016 presidential election.

Higher turnout accounted for a significant portion of the increase. Millennials and Gen X together cast 21.9 million more votes in 2018 than in 2014. (The number of eligible voter Millennials and Gen Xers grew by 2.5 million over those four years, due to the number of naturalizations exceeding mortality.) And 4.5 million votes were cast by Gen Z voters, all of whom turned 18 since 2014.





High Young Voter Turnout Crucial To Blue Wave, Per Harvard Analysis

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/11/8/iop-reacts-midterm-elections/

Voters between the ages of 18 and 29 were absolutely crucial to the Democratic takeover of the House of Representatives, according to a Harvard Institute of Politics analysis of the 2018 midterm elections conducted and released Wednesday.

Thirty-one percent of voters under 30 voted in the 2018 election, according to the Center for Information and Research on Civil Learning and Engagement at Tufts University. Voters in this age bracket made up approximately 13 percent of the electorate, with exit polls showing that this younger voting bloc preferred Democratic candidates by a 31 point margin.


2022 Election: Young Voters Have High Midterm Turnout, Influence Critical Races

https://circle.tufts.edu/2022-election-center

Youth Prefer Democrats by 28-Point Margin

According to the Edison Research National Election Pool exit poll, the national youth vote choice for the U.S. House of Representatives was 63% for Democrats, 35% for Republicans. That’s almost identical to 2020, when youth preferred Democrats to Republicans by 62% to 36%, and a small shift in favor of Republicans from the previous midterm: in 2018, the youth vote between Democrats and Republicans was 67% to 32%—which was the largest margin ever for Democrats among young voters.






2022

https://edition.cnn.com/election/2022/exit-polls/national-results/house/0

[Autumn]

90. Young people handed the government over to Biden and the Democrats.

Did I miss where the Democrats have put forgiving student loans and put Roe back in place? Because according to the coots those things are long gone and no one is changing the court. Old people gave us Trump in 2016. Hillary had almost 3 million more votes than him. You don't like the system in place ? Quit complaining about young people and change it.

[hamsterjill]

29. I can and will vote for Joe in 2024

If he’s the nominee and I believe he will be.

That said, I still have the right to disagree with him. I disagree with him on this, and I was also disappointed that he publicly said that Jimmie Carter had asked him to do his eulogy.

It’s stupid for ANYONE to make this a “one or nothing” stance. People are free to disagree with politicians and it’s stupid to try to force a narrative that they won’t vote for Democrats when all is said and done. Most people understand the bigger picture.

[chowder66]

32. To be fair, I'm adding the good Biden is doing

I'm disappointed in general with the Willow Decision BUT I am glad he has reduced the harm and has protected other areas.

Drill Pads Reduced by 40%; ConocoPhillips to Relinquish Rights to 68,000 Acres of Existing Leases
https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/interior-department-substantially-reduces-scope-willow-project


President Biden’s Actions to Tackle the Climate Crisis

President Biden campaigned on a bold vision of tackling the climate crisis with the urgency that science demands, by building a clean energy economy that benefits all Americans—with lower costs for families, good-paying jobs for workers, and healthier air and cleaner water for communities.

Since Day One, President Biden has delivered. After rejoining the Paris Agreement and restoring U.S. leadership on the world stage, President Biden created the first-ever National Climate Task Force, with more than 25 Cabinet-level leaders from across agencies working together on groundbreaking goals:

Reducing U.S. greenhouse gas emissions 50-52% below 2005 levels in 2030
Reaching 100% carbon pollution-free electricity by 2035
Achieving a net-zero emissions economy by 2050
Delivering 40% of the benefits from federal investments in climate and clean energy to disadvantaged communities
The Biden-Harris Administration is taking decisive steps to reduce emissions, increase resilience, advance environmental justice, and achieve true energy security. This federal mobilization, building on the leadership of states, Tribal Nations, and local governments, has already spurred historic progress:

The United States set records for clean energy deployment in 2021, bringing enough new solar and wind projects online to power 10 million homes and tripling utility-scale battery storage capacity.
Since President Biden took office, the two-millionth electric vehicle hit the road, companies announced investments of over $100 billion dollars in American EV manufacturing, and the rate of public EV charger installation nearly doubled.
Major climate “firsts” included the Administration’s approval of the first commercial-scale offshore wind project in federal waters, the first commercial flight powered by 100% sustainable aviation fuel flying from Chicago to DC, and U.S. steel and cement companies committing for the first time to reach net-zero emissions no later than 2050.
Clean energy is by far the biggest job creator in America’s energy sector, with over 3 million Americans employed in clean energy jobs during 2021 earning wages 25% over the national median.
On the international stage, President Biden worked with E.U. counterparts to rally more than 100 countries to join the Global Methane Pledge, a new partnership to reduce super-polluting methane emissions 30% from 2020 levels by 2030.
President Biden and Vice President Harris also made tackling climate change, advancing environmental justice, and creating jobs centerpieces of the Inflation Reduction Act and Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.

Passed in August 2022, the Inflation Reduction Act is the most significant legislation in U.S. history to tackle the climate crisis and strengthen American energy security. It will lower energy costs for households, saving families hundreds of dollars per year on energy bills; create millions of good-paying jobs for American workers through manufacturing of solar panels, wind turbines, and electric vehicles; and deliver a healthy future for our children and grandchildren by cutting pollution and advancing environmental justice. The savings, jobs, and other benefits provided by this legislation will reach communities across the country.

Additionally, the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law provides historic resources for upgrading the power grid, improving public transit and investing in zero-emission transit and school buses, installing a nationwide EV charging network, cleaning up legacy pollution, replacing lead pipes and delivering clean water. President Biden’s Bipartisan Infrastructure Law will also strengthen the nation’s resilience and save taxpayer money, helping communities safeguard against extreme weather events, catastrophic wildfires, and other climate-related disasters—which last year caused more than $150 billion in damages from the biggest 20 weather and climate disasters alone.

President Biden and Vice President Harris also made climate action and environmental justice a centerpiece of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. This legislation provides the largest federal investments ever in upgrading the power grid, improving public transit and investing in zero-emission transit and school buses, installing a nationwide EV charging network, cleaning up legacy pollution, replacing lead pipes and delivering clean water. President Biden’s Bipartisan Infrastructure Law will also strengthen the nation’s resilience and save taxpayer money, helping communities safeguard against extreme weather events, catastrophic wildfires, and other climate-related disasters—which last year caused more than $145 billion in damages from the biggest 20 disasters alone.

This is the decisive decade for the world to confront climate change and avoid the worst, irreversible impacts of this crisis. That’s why the President has called on Congress to act on climate by providing clean energy investments and tax credits that will bring down the sticker prices of EVs, weatherize homes and businesses to cut energy costs, and save American families an average of $500 a year. President Biden will continue leading to meet this moment and deliver economic opportunities, health benefits, and household savings here at home—by accelerating our transition to clean energy, and protecting Americans from fossil fuel price spikes.

More at a link...

https://www.whitehouse.gov/climate/

[Cha]

50. TY & there's this that the OP & Victor have no clue..

Link to tweet

[Mister Ed]

34. I hope the info in this DU OP will somehow come to his attention:

https://democraticunderground.com/100217727792

[Cha]

56. TY! yeah & to the OP's ATTENTION

to which I have posted it Several times but he's Ignoring it.

[Hekate]

60. But isn't it true that "Biden slashed Willow by 40% while permanently protecting sensitive land"?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17727404

253. Biden slashed Willow by 40% while permanently protecting sensitive land; he had no leverage to kill

https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/interior-department-substantially-reduces-scope-willow-project

"Biden had no leverage re Willow. Lease was signed decades ago; courts overturned drill bans.

He could have challenged in court and delayed it 6mos, or he could negotiate and make it less bad.

He made it a LOT less bad.

You’re not an environmentalist if you’re mad about that.

Link below detailing how Biden slashed Willow by 40% while permanently protecting sensitive land.

All this on top of passing IRA and Infrastructure, representing the largest climate investment in world history.

This is an environmentalist president."

--- from @DemsInArray

[Cha]

66. YES! & the OP is Consistently IGNORING IT..

Link to tweet

Mahalo, Hekate for Shining the Light

[sheshe2]

68. Thank you, Hekate.

[we can do it]

73. Thank you

[betsuni]

77. +1

[Kaleva]

72. Willow will not make a difference either way

With China producing twice as much greenhouse gases as the US and both China and India continue to build coal fired power plants, catastrophic climate change is pretty much a sure bet.

[lapucelle]

78. "Biden's youngest delegate" seems unaware of the facts of the situation.

[betsuni]

83. So?

[ripcord]

86. I am waiting to see how the lawsuit filed by environmentalists against the President turns out

[inthewind21]

89. We already know

It's plastered all over this very thread.

[Autumn]

91. Too bad it's not in the news. nt