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(31,015 posts)Meadowoak
(5,545 posts)malaise
(268,949 posts)that is all
TheRealNorth
(9,478 posts)Freethinker65
(10,010 posts)3catwoman3
(23,973 posts)...she is 53.
She has been a not-so-grand mother, so I'll call her a not-so-grand grandmother - NSGGM
hunter
(38,311 posts)My grandma was sixteen years old when my mom was born.
That wasn't anything extraordinary then in the U.S.A. rural Wild West and my grandma had all skills she needed to run a household and get on with life. And that she did.
She was a welder in World War II, building and repairing ships for the Merchant Marine. When the war ended most of the women were sent home to become ordinary housewives but she refused. And they still needed her.
JI7
(89,247 posts)and her position on issues.
So we do need to go there.
hunter
(38,311 posts)Even their Bibles say so.
Torchlight
(3,328 posts)A 36 year old grandmothers chiding others about sexual morality reminds me of Wile E. Coyote hosting a gun-safety retreat.
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)She then gave me up for adoption (met her as an adult, lovely woman).
I don't think this line of commentary slaps nearly as hard as people seem to think it does.
A lot of the comments I've been reading full of judgement and shaming could be applied to her.
Empathy doesn't count if it's only extended to people you like.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Because hypocrisy, you see.
That means they can let out all that homophobia they have and still seem to be a good Dem.
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)The way I see it, if the thoughts and words are in your mind and mouth, and you're just waiting for a suitable target, then you are that thing, be it racist, homophobic, sexist, etc.
You've simply learned just enough about where to target it so that ugliness can be regarded as socially acceptable.
I don't ever really see how it's any better.
Anyway, haven't been thrilled with the commentary. Boebert is a terrible person. We all know this. But circumstances - and comments about the kids especially - have not been great. People need to do better.
femmedem
(8,201 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)JI7
(89,247 posts)Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)I'm sure they had their thoughts on the matter, and I'm sure those thoughts played a role in my being given up for adoption.
"They do it, too" is never a good excuse to let the ugliness out. It just means the ugliness is there to begin with.
JI7
(89,247 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)People in deeply religious communities are often pressured into giving up their out-of-wedlock children in order to "redeem themselves." Most birth mothers love their children and grieve their loss for the rest of their lives.
Lauren Boebert's "vision," as some are calling it, is most definitely not the vision of the GOP for America's future. What Republicans really want is a society where there is no sex outside of heterosexual marriage and EVERY SINGLE CHILD born out of wedlock is given up for adoption. They want a return to the Baby Scoop Era.
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)In fact, they had another child 18 months after me and subsequently ran away with him from their parents. They didn't want to give another child up. I understand the circumstances completely and hold no resentment or ill-feeling about the decision.
I abhor Boebert about as much as I can abhor a politician. She is all insincere slick opportunism and virtuous exploitation. She's a loathsome creature of public life. And there's no part of what my biological parents dealt with I want inflicted on anyone else.
However, there's a lot of splash damage in the commentary. In the effort to get at her, other people in similar situations get swept up in the commentary, shaming, and mockery. I haven't been a great fan of what I've been reading.
Go after her, absolutely for certain. Just wish people would keep an eye out for who else might be getting hit.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)A woman who loses a child to a coerced adoption will often get pregnant again shortly after. And having experienced the pain of losing the first child, she is determined not to suffer that fate again. The second time around she is a little more prepared to fight off the coercion.
I agree with the points that you have made. Well said.
I am curious as to the time period of your adoption, if it is OK to ask. Was it before 1973? Roe vs. Wade didn't just mark the beginning of legal abortion. It also marked the end of the Baby Scoop Era. That was also the point when it started to become much harder to bully women and girls into giving up their children. Until that point there had been intense pressure to relinquish. Of course, even after that point there remained certain pockets where the old ways carried on. That was especially true in devoutly religious circles. Ironically, it is much less common today among Catholics than it is among evangelicals and Mormons, even though the Catholic church was the most aggressive participant back in the day.
Kingofalldems
(38,452 posts)WarGamer
(12,438 posts)To me it looks like scolding Karens on the warpath.
Kingofalldems
(38,452 posts)No links necessary.
WarGamer
(12,438 posts)I just don't like THIS line of attack...
Maybe because in MY family tree... we have TONS of teen moms.
Personally I'm happy that I'm nearly 60 years of age, and my Mom is still active and healthy and happy.
bigtree
(85,989 posts)...there was a time in the U.S., a generation or so ago, when young, unwed mothers would be forced by the stigma to abandon their children or place them in foster homes.
An earlier age in history would have them committed to institutions.
Today we mock them on Twitter because their mother, politics.
JI7
(89,247 posts)issues related to women's health issues .
It's an issue because it's something they attack minorities for and want to deny help to entire groups.
It's obvious why it's an issue.
bigtree
(85,989 posts)...to get at their mother.
I'm not going to bother to say how I feel about her. This shouldn't be an issue against any mother, or their child. Not my mother, not her children, not anyone elses.
Find better ways to politic than attacking families.
ZonkerHarris
(24,221 posts)same choices.
Torchlight
(3,328 posts)while simultaneously praising the very thing she criticizes-- an "ungodly and unchristian pattern of choices destroying the integrity of the traditional American family"
WarGamer
(12,438 posts)I don't see the big deal here...
There are PLENTY of legit reasons to go after LB and this is weak.
niyad
(113,275 posts)And granny is bragging about how absolutely wonderful it is.
WarGamer
(12,438 posts)She said a big group of Senior girls were pregnant.
Anyways... not something I'd focus on when there are SO MANY legitimate nasty things she is responsible for.
niyad
(113,275 posts)her lying, her sanctimony, her hypocrisy, and HER using that child to score political points with the reichwing.
WarGamer
(12,438 posts)She has said/done many things worthy of criticism and this ain't one.
liberal_mama
(1,495 posts)I made my mother a grandmother when she was 39 and my dad a grandfather when he was 38. They only had 2 kids, me and my sister, no sons, so they were thrilled when I gave them a grandson, even though I was a unmarried teenager.
And this was back in the 1980s! They were never ashamed or embarrassed and were very eager to help raise the baby.
I think we're moving backwards if having a baby while young is stigmatized so much now.
WarGamer
(12,438 posts)niyad
(113,275 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,130 posts)GenThePerservering
(1,813 posts)What IS relevant is that Bobo is a hypocrit. She legislates against commonsense sex ed, her son impregnates an under-aged teen but it's OK. They also have the resources to raise the kid, which many do not. Just like the welfare she supposedly was on as a kid but wants to deny others, she pulls the ladder up behind herself.
That's what matters.