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BaronChocula

(1,522 posts)
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 05:04 PM Mar 2023

If someone asks you what WOKE is

SHORTEST ANSWER: Having a true sense of justice against culture war bullies.

SHORT ANSWER:
Standing up to the structural bias of privileged bullies who punch down at otherwise innocent people who are perceived to be dangerous because they are different.

LONG ANSWER:
There are segments of law-abiding Americans who have not traditionally realized full and equal protection under the law. There are also segments in American society who find it satisfying to continue to prevent those marginalized groups from realizing full and equal protection under the law. One who is woke stands up for the struggle of those marginalized (though I hate that word) people. So if a trans person writes a children's book with positive trans or black characters, that is not woke. What is woke is speaking out against anti-woke bigots who try to ban that book.

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If someone asks you what WOKE is (Original Post) BaronChocula Mar 2023 OP
Understanding that the experience of others is different from your own experience. Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #1
So much of the problem would seem to be authoritarianism versus humanitarianism GeoWilliam750 Mar 2023 #17
Everyone here will get your suggested answers. Call me elitist and a snob, but most RWers will hlthe2b Mar 2023 #2
+100 Duppers Mar 2023 #22
I mostly agree BUT BaronChocula Mar 2023 #27
Living like the red sentences in the bible actually mean something. Ferrets are Cool Mar 2023 #3
DING, DING, DING! TomSlick Mar 2023 #30
Being woke is the opposite of being a jerk sanatanadharma Mar 2023 #4
Winner. LakeArenal Mar 2023 #7
Just go with Wiki: maxsolomon Mar 2023 #5
Not entirely accurate, because "woke" is about all kinds of unfair discrimination... Silent3 Mar 2023 #6
Call me an originalist, then. maxsolomon Mar 2023 #8
At a time when bias has become deadly towards so many of us--by race, ethnicity, gender, hlthe2b Mar 2023 #9
bias has always had deadly consequences. maxsolomon Mar 2023 #13
I'd love to hear a history of how this word came to be MadameButterfly Mar 2023 #10
wiki has an entire section on origins: maxsolomon Mar 2023 #11
To me it means that we should try not to be assholes ... Whiskeytide Mar 2023 #12
word BaronChocula Mar 2023 #28
I thought it just meant ... Basic LA Mar 2023 #14
Exactly, and the "culture war" is a war on their culture of bigotry William Seger Mar 2023 #19
Shorter answer: Caring lame54 Mar 2023 #15
I am so sick of buzz word politics Cheezoholic Mar 2023 #16
Not asleep Kennah Mar 2023 #18
The opposite of ignorant judesedit Mar 2023 #20
Empathy rickford66 Mar 2023 #21
... markie Mar 2023 #23
An even shorter answer jayschool2013 Mar 2023 #24
Under the right ciecumstances, and for shock value, try this: Mr.Bill Mar 2023 #25
Love it! BaronChocula Mar 2023 #29
I would never try to answer that question. Demobrat Mar 2023 #26
Exactly BaronChocula Mar 2023 #32
I love the legal definition of woke LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2023 #31
Short answer: conscious and caring. niyad Mar 2023 #33

Scrivener7

(50,922 posts)
1. Understanding that the experience of others is different from your own experience.
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 05:08 PM
Mar 2023

Understanding that the experience of some segments of our society have consistently been denial of rights and opportunities.

Respecting your fellow humans sufficiently to allow them to be the interpreters of their own experience.

Respecting their right to determine the boundaries of discussions of their experiences which you do not share.

Not demanding they allow you to set those boundaries when you have not had the experience and they have had the experience.

GeoWilliam750

(2,521 posts)
17. So much of the problem would seem to be authoritarianism versus humanitarianism
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 06:46 PM
Mar 2023

As a total - on balance - society will tend to lean slightly right.

There must be some compensation for the risk for capital, but what we have now has gone much to far.

A person must feel mostly fairly compensated - Adam Smith.

hlthe2b

(102,141 posts)
2. Everyone here will get your suggested answers. Call me elitist and a snob, but most RWers will
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 05:09 PM
Mar 2023

glaze over after the term "structural bias," given any context they have likely ever heard that term would be with respect to the much-ado-about-nothing (given it has never been formally taught outside law schools) CRT wars.

Having glazed over at that point and seeing that they are expected to read and comprehend more than 140 characters thereafter, you've lost the battle.


Just saying. Even if I clearly agree with your constructs, you'll need to dramatically dumb it down if you are going to debate with most of those convinced by Fox that it is a "thing." Sadly, that likely means playing Senator John Kennedy's "folksy" schtick to find the vernacular that will stick. There is a reason that Oxford-trained lawyer does that.

BaronChocula

(1,522 posts)
27. I mostly agree BUT
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 07:44 PM
Mar 2023

IMHO, not using terms like "structural bias" because of how it lands with RWs is giving them control over how you speak, and when that happens you lose. I do agree that you can explain to curious people that structural bias in America is for example (in dumb terms) white people simultaneously accusing black people of stealing white jobs AND being too lazy to find work.

Fact is, RWs are so far gone they won't hear anything you say. But that shouldn't stop you from speaking intelligently.

LakeArenal

(28,806 posts)
7. Winner.
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 05:20 PM
Mar 2023

I was going to say: I don’t need to define woke as it not a “thing”. It’s a figment if the cult’s mass hysteria.

Silent3

(15,152 posts)
6. Not entirely accurate, because "woke" is about all kinds of unfair discrimination...
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 05:18 PM
Mar 2023

...not just racial discrimination. The fight for racial justice is, I believe, where the term first arose, but the meaning has expanded.

maxsolomon

(33,252 posts)
8. Call me an originalist, then.
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 05:24 PM
Mar 2023

I'd like to keep it focused on discrimination against Black folk, but I'm aware this isn't going to happen.

Last week I saw a rainbow-flag installation in my neighborhood referred to as "woke".

hlthe2b

(102,141 posts)
9. At a time when bias has become deadly towards so many of us--by race, ethnicity, gender,
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 05:31 PM
Mar 2023

gender orientation and other factors, I'd say it is time not to be exclusive, but rather join together to fight back. I'd say we've seen today what happens when we do NOT.


In the immortal words of Niemöller, "First they came for..."
https://www.hmd.org.uk/resource/first-they-came-by-pastor-martin-niemoller/

maxsolomon

(33,252 posts)
13. bias has always had deadly consequences.
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 05:49 PM
Mar 2023

i think there are fewer deadly instances of racial or gender bias in America now than in recent decades, but we are vastly more aware of every incident now.

regardless, the term has expanded to be more inclusive as it's simultaneously been turned into a pejorative by the RW.

MadameButterfly

(1,040 posts)
10. I'd love to hear a history of how this word came to be
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 05:33 PM
Mar 2023

Does anyone know? Does anyone really understand it?

It used to be Socialism was the dirty word, but it was used to compare Democrats to 3rd world totalitarian countries that exhibit none of the ideals of Socialism. Meanwhile libraries and roads are not considered Socialism. Social Security is only Socialism if you or your elderly parents aren't drawing a check.

No one slamming Socialism really understands it. It's just bad, no need to explain. They had to start accusing people of pedophilia because people get that, but it's hard to make that charge stick to just anybody. Woke is handy because it's so ambiguous it allows them to demean Democrats without having any reason at all. They just have to make up stuff because they don't have anything real.

Whiskeytide

(4,459 posts)
12. To me it means that we should try not to be assholes ...
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 05:38 PM
Mar 2023

… to people just because they are different from us. That’s hard for me because I’m an asshole by nature. But I’m trying to act like an asshole only to people who deserve it for reasons other than the fact that they’re different from me.

William Seger

(10,775 posts)
19. Exactly, and the "culture war" is a war on their culture of bigotry
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 06:49 PM
Mar 2023

It's not hard to predict who would be violently opposed to an anti-bigotry movement.

Mr.Bill

(24,253 posts)
25. Under the right ciecumstances, and for shock value, try this:
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 07:31 PM
Mar 2023

Woke is an awareness that the police are murdering unarmed black children without consequences.

That's generally a conversation ender.

Demobrat

(8,962 posts)
26. I would never try to answer that question.
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 07:36 PM
Mar 2023

I would just say

If you don’t get it it’s because you don’t want to get it.

I don’t try to explain things to brick walls.

BaronChocula

(1,522 posts)
32. Exactly
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 12:03 AM
Mar 2023

But there are more people out there than the brick walls who don't quite understand what woke is.

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