if the judge bans the abortion pill

[moonshinegnomie]

the government should ignore it. announce that the government will be shipping the pills to individuals in states with abortion bans. its time to take the country back from the far right. the so called law be damned when its a matter of life and death.
whats the judge going to do?

The far right has declared war on america. its time we realize that and start acting like it.

[JohnSJ]

1. I expect he will try to ban it, and I also expect that it will be immediately appealed

[maxrandb]

9. To the 5TH Circuit?

My idea would be to declare this "judges" ruling a National Health Emergency and order the continued prescribing and distribution.

Ask yourself this; "what would we do if a single judge ordered every state to stop prescribing and using insulin. What about a nationwide ban on CPR?

It's time to play hardball with those pricks.

I am not a lawyer, but couldn't President Biden suspend Habeas in this particular case to deny them prosecution of anyone violating this judge order?

We should not treat this like it is a valid legal opinion by a valid judge.

[JohnSJ]

10. I agree. This is insane that it was even heard

[Ocelot II]

2. It will be appealed immediately.

Ignoring court orders isn't the way to proceed, though.

[moonshinegnomie]

6. i think it is

if he bans it it will go to a far right 5th district court of appeals. then a far right supreme court. which could take a long time to work thru it. in the meantime women will suffer.

ignore it.

[wnylib]

3. Black market on abortion pills will flourish.

[Chainfire]

4. They haven't been able to effectively ban pot, cocaine or heroin, what makes them think that

they will be successful with this ban. The ban should be called the "support organized crime" ruling, because they will create an instant black market, where women will have to roll the dice with their lives in making decisions that should be between them, their doctors and legitimate pharmacies.

Republicans like to portray themselves as the party of individual freedom while at the same time, they want to make decisions for all women. If this passes, I would suggest, to all women, that they declare a moratorium on sexual activities until the men demanded that the policy be reversed. It would be the mother of all boycotts. (pardon the puns) It wouldn't be two weeks before the knuckle-draggers were showing up in front of the SC with their rifles demanding their vitamin "S" back.

I am waiting for DeSantis to ban the word "woman" and replace it with "baby machine."

Dog, I despise Republicans, all of them, all of the time.

[Lonestarblue]

24. Exactly. Organized crime was not big until Prohibition.

People didn’t stop drinking, they just found other ways to get their booze.

[NutmegYankee]

5. "John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it."

I realize Andrew Jackson was a complete asshole and the story behind this quote was an atrocity, but in THIS case it is the correct response.

[mopinko]

8. gmta

[Lovie777]

7. He does not have the power to ban........

He can rule that in his opinion that the drug is unfit and the FDA and manufacture take the drug off the market.

In others words, the judge is pretending to be a medical expert.

[leftieNanner]

19. Doesn't this count as

Practicing Medicine without a license?

I would ask the same thing of those right wing legislatures banning abortion.

[panader0]

11. Black market pills?

[Hekate]

12. It will end up back at SCOTUS, which already threw abortion law back to the states. Texas already

…has 3 women being sued for $1 million each because one used Mifepristone and 2 helped her get the info to get it. I think they face prison as well.

This is the American Taliban.

[Wicked Blue]

13. Regulating the sale of these pills is a matter of interstate commerce, -federal

and does not fall under state jurisdiction, in my opinion.

[Gaugamela]

14. Oregon Senator Wyden has called for exactly that:

Using harsh language to describe what he sees as a conservative political strategy, Oregon Sen. Ron Wyden said a ruling banning access to mifepristone would not be legitimate.

Saying he’d never called for ignoring a court ruling before, Wyden said the harm that would be caused by this decision would be irreparable.

“The FDA should go on just as it has for the last 23 years since it first approved mifepristone,” Wyden said. “The FDA needs to keep this medication on the market without interruption regardless of what the ruling says. Doctors and pharmacies should go about their jobs like nothing has changed.”

https://www.opb.org/article/2023/02/16/abortion-bills-looming-court-ruling-oregon-senator-ron-wyden-speech/

[moonshinegnomie]

15. and if needed set up a mail order pharmacy to ship to those states

[Gaugamela]

18. Exactly. And set up mail-order supply lines from India, where the drug is

manufactured and legal. Indian law doesn’t give a rat’s ass about Fascists with bibles up their butts.

[MOMFUDSKI]

20. In a nutshell it

is punching the bully in the face. Must be done this time.

[marybourg]

25. Doctors and pharmcists have already largely

proven themselves to be lacking in courage and commitment to their women patients.

[In It to Win It]

16. Although I understand the anger and frustration

If we ignore their orders, they will ignore ours. There are several state court orders blocking state bans on abortion. There are several state supreme courts that have blocked, either temporarily or permanently, their state's abortion bans. The supreme courts in Utah and Indiana come to mind of ones that have issued orders staying their state's abortion ban. I think a judge in North Dakota blocked their ban IIRC, and I think Ohio as well.

[in2herbs]

17. If he places any restrictions on this medication he should be aligned with the ignorance of Canon

in the tfg case and suffer greater public ridicule than she did.

I am sure today's hearing was only to gather info so he wouldn't be lumped into the same ignorance category as Canon.

[TNNurse]

21. Charge them with practicing medicine without a licsense.

[rickford66]

22. Need a law banning politicians from practicing medicine.

[Timeflyer]

32. Absolutely.

[brooklynite]

23. So, we get to break the law as long as WE don't like the ruling?

[NullTuples]

26. The problem with ignoring a judge's ruling is that it's exactly what Bannon & Putin wanted all along

Their parallel plans in 2016-17 were to break America.

Disable our institutions, dismantle our government and destroy our legal system.

[moonshinegnomie]

34. thats pretty much been done already

texas has an attorney general whos been under indictment for almost a decade. and is still in office.
sheriffs across the country have decided they no longer need to enforce laws they dont agree with.

the former guy is still walking around free over 2 years after he tried to overthrow the government.

our legal system is already dead

[NullTuples]

35. Yeah, I know. But until everyone believes it, the system can still be pulled back.

Call it "fiat governance".

[in2herbs]

27. Someone on DU raised the question of standingby pltfs. in this TX case. That got me to

thinking so I searched and found a copy of the original lawsuit and the defendant's motion for SJ that was heard today. Both pleadings list defendants but none of those listed defendants include Danco Laboratories which is the pharma that produces the medicine. Although Danco Labs was present for today's hearing that doesn't constitute proper service for a lawsuit.

Why hasn't the lack of naming Danco as a defendant been raised by Danco or any of the other defendants? The judge's decision affects them so they have an interest in the outcome case.

Can anyone answer this question?

[Buckeyeblue]

28. If this judge rules that the FDA approved the drug in error

Which I don't know how he can (I don't believe he has jurisdiction) as only congress with a presidential signature should be able to override the FDA.

However, if he does, I think his order will be immediately stayed. It may eventually make its way to SCOTUS but it will be a while.

If SCOTUS ruled against the FDA, the entire medical industry will be turned on its head.

[TomSlick]

29. The question is simple. Do we believe in the rule of law or not?

If we do, we cannot pick and chose which court orders to follow.

[slightlv]

30. Isn't that exactly what *rump would have done?

I guess I'm wrong, but I am so tired of seeing them do one thing and IOKIYAR -- but not if you're anyone else. I'd really like for the PTB to start using some of the precedents that *rump made foundational. I'm not talking anything criminal. But this is an excellent example. However, I'd go one step further, and offer to those in states not only with abortion bans, but to those served by Walgreens, CVS, etc., who buckle under religious fervor and won't sell the pills - even tho they're legal in that state. As government, I'd then turn around and present a bill each month for the cost to these companies for doing their jobs for them.

[WarGamer]

31. Sorta like if a future SCOTUS approves an AWB...

A GOP led White House should send AR-15's to people's houses?

Ever heard of "unintended consequences"?

We have a system, work within the system.

The vast majority of States offer abortion care. Set up transportation and care for women who make short trips to blue States.

Set up mobile pharmacies on the border, off the Highway in rest stops. Or in airports. Someone can fly from Texas to New Mexico in 90 minutes and be back home by dinner with a prescription. A non profit can cover the expenses including cash and child care.

[Warpy]

33. He will have massively exceeded his authority if he tries

and it will be argued all the way to the USSC, whose pious 6 have realized how badly they stepped in it by overturning Roe v Waade. My guess is that the appellate court will overturn Hizzoner's attempt to get into heaven over the bodies of women and decline to take it up.

After all, if some judge with a grudge can ban one drug, why not others? A JW judge could ban blood transfusions. Somebody with a kid addicted to opiates could ban that whole class of drugs. Vaccines could be banned, polio and diphtheria are god's will.

Shoot, some enterprising judge might even ban Viagra.