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THIS is the man who was just arrested for child sex crimes. (Original Post) ItsjustMe Mar 2023 OP
One of the Let Us Prey Movement malaise Mar 2023 #1
Clergy Are Best Considered Guilty Till Proved Innocent, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2023 #3
K&R !!!! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2023 #4
Indeed Sir malaise Mar 2023 #6
Scratch a youth minister and find a pedophile. n/t spike jones Mar 2023 #16
I Perceive them as "Delusionals" Hymned in by Shame with a Holy Devotion to Sins of the Ages MayReasonRule Mar 2023 #11
When I was a teenager I was told by an evangelical pastor markodochartaigh Mar 2023 #22
Effing evangelicals COL Mustard Mar 2023 #26
totally agree gopiscrap Mar 2023 #30
Unfortunately there are some in my family COL Mustard Mar 2023 #31
They destroyed my family. My mother is in a death cult and I'm the one going to hell. OMGWTF Mar 2023 #33
So sorry COL Mustard Mar 2023 #39
Well, they say Hell has all the best entertainers, so the parties should be a lot better! nt eppur_se_muova Mar 2023 #40
"...condemned to Hell for all the evil they've done." MayReasonRule Mar 2023 #55
...religions ...different views on sexuality. a.k.a. Delusional Variations on a Theme... MayReasonRule Mar 2023 #51
Such poignant poetry. markodochartaigh Mar 2023 #57
Quite welcome y'all! I discovered as I write I reveal to myself what was hidden before. MayReasonRule Mar 2023 #58
I've never heard of the slightlv Mar 2023 #20
They prey on the children of the planet malaise Mar 2023 #23
That's too good RussBLib Mar 2023 #45
One of the Let Us Prey Movement malaise Mar 2023 #2
Yep, they go on about pray, but are really saying prey. They are so RKP5637 Mar 2023 #5
So will red states take over Religious broadcasting? Ban bibles, arrest religious leaders chowder66 Mar 2023 #7
If they want to secede, then let them COL Mustard Mar 2023 #27
Matthew 7: 21-23 soldierant Mar 2023 #8
googled it Celerity Mar 2023 #47
Am not Rebl2 Mar 2023 #9
The thing is, if they really believed the shit they come out with on the pulpit, 3Hotdogs Mar 2023 #10
But they believe they are forgiven of all their sins TexasBushwhacker Mar 2023 #35
There seems to be a long history Farmer-Rick Mar 2023 #12
Yeah, religion provides temporary311 Mar 2023 #32
Ever since I was a little kid, I have always been totally creeped out by Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #13
so how come the rethugs are not proposing to ban religious services like they ban drag? Takket Mar 2023 #14
I'm curious if there's a database, official or not Torchlight Mar 2023 #15
I don't know, but FFRF.org publishes a "black collar crimes" compendium spooky3 Mar 2023 #18
a "black collar crimes" compendium malaise Mar 2023 #25
Usually two oversized pages are filled with descriptions of spooky3 Mar 2023 #36
I remember quite a few years ago friends called me True Blue American Mar 2023 #52
They are everywhere and I will never understand why malaise Mar 2023 #53
It is as if they join because True Blue American Mar 2023 #59
Yep malaise Mar 2023 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Mar 2023 #54
Republican Sexual Predators, Abusers, and Enablers ItsjustMe Mar 2023 #21
There's a subreddit... backscatter712 Mar 2023 #28
Yeah... progressoid Mar 2023 #38
Thank you. Bookmarking. ancianita Mar 2023 #41
A large percentage is consistently those with access in "religious" cults and churches. There are Evolve Dammit Mar 2023 #17
All predators hang out as close to their prey as they can get. Phoenix61 Mar 2023 #19
Well clearly he's one of the few outliers COL Mustard Mar 2023 #24
Republican family values republianmushroom Mar 2023 #29
How many drag queens have been arrested for grooming/molesting children compared to republicans/yout keithbvadu2 Mar 2023 #34
Well, if what you want is absolute corruption chowmama Mar 2023 #37
there's an endless parade of these sick mofos... a huge GOP Pedo Ring LymphocyteLover Mar 2023 #42
Paedopublicans Celerity Mar 2023 #49
kick BlueWaveNeverEnd Mar 2023 #43
Colour me sooooooo NOT surprised. niyad Mar 2023 #44
Greg Abbott is just about finished locking up the rapists? czarjak Mar 2023 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author czarjak Mar 2023 #48
If you do not want your kids groomed keep them our of church! The Jungle 1 Mar 2023 #50
Out of curiosity, I Googled "Youth pastor arrested". Initech Mar 2023 #56
Lock them up and throw away the keys, then tax the churches! Bluethroughu Mar 2023 #61

malaise

(268,930 posts)
1. One of the Let Us Prey Movement
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 05:54 PM
Mar 2023

Last edited Thu Mar 16, 2023, 08:52 AM - Edit history (1)

the worst of the predators and groomers

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
3. Clergy Are Best Considered Guilty Till Proved Innocent, Ma'am
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 06:01 PM
Mar 2023

The trade attracts a good many souls with a twitch, looking for a target-rich environment to indulge it in....

MayReasonRule

(1,460 posts)
11. I Perceive them as "Delusionals" Hymned in by Shame with a Holy Devotion to Sins of the Ages
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 06:50 PM
Mar 2023
I say that drawing on personal life experiences of myself, families and friends. I'm not a sociologist nor am I a specialist in the field of childhood sex crimes.

TLDR: Delusion gives birth to delusion, gives birth to malevolence, which often gives rise to physical violence against others, and/or against one's self.

Catholics endorse Childhood Inculcation online and in literature as being is what "God" intends.

Daily "bible classes" are a part of all "christian schools" within our locale.
Inculcation is a way of life around my parts, and obviously around the world.

I and mine escaped fundamentalist nationalist christian families.
We are the only ones of either of our families that managed to make our way out.
The rest are still deeply embroiled within the delusional maelstrom.

As children we were depersonalized through an ongoing message of "less of self and more of thee" to the point that we were none of self and all of thee." We were devoid of our own selves.

No longer were merely ashamed of what me considered as "sins", instead concluding that "I was a shame." We were taught that we were literally "lower than a worm" and that we ought to suffer everyday to demonstrate our devotion to this "holy god". We were true believers that trusted in the undying love of the hardcore believers, the unshakable faith in the fools and the dreamers.

As a young man I furthered my inculcation through auditing classes at a "school of biblical studies", a.k.a. a "preachers school".

As I got to know the individual participants during my time there, it turned out that the vast majority of participants had suffered through various forms of molestation from members of their families or from others within what we referred to as "The Church".

They all had a "holy" fascination with the "sins of the ages".

These were the individuals that were going out to "bring others to christ".
It's truly chilling understanding those societal implications, particularly as we see it playing out across our country, and around our world.

All of those things held true for my personal experience, as well as that of our families.

3 of the participants committed suicide out of a freshman class of about 40.
I was religiously suicidal and suicidally religious for 30 years.

Turned out, we never were god damned things, no one is.
That's the real good news.

Man's depravity is fully their own. We have no one else to blame.
Protecting society from further damage from this individual must needs be the primary consideration above all.

Today, doubt is our savior, and reason is our god.
May reason rule.











markodochartaigh

(1,138 posts)
22. When I was a teenager I was told by an evangelical pastor
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 08:00 PM
Mar 2023

that because I was homosexual my Mother could go to hell for loving me, that at least she would have to disown me before she would be allowed into heaven. I certainly didn't feel that I could discuss that with my family. But I asked a priest who was a friend of our family about that and he was upset and told me that my Mother disowning me would never be a condition for her to go to heaven. That was the first time that I remember thinking that different religions had different views on sexuality.

MayReasonRule

(1,460 posts)
55. "...condemned to Hell for all the evil they've done."
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 10:09 AM
Mar 2023

They're living in a "Hell" of their own making.

Delusional constructs do not provide a life style of joy and peace.

Delusion divides.
Reason restores.

May reason rule where delusion dwells.

MayReasonRule

(1,460 posts)
51. ...religions ...different views on sexuality. a.k.a. Delusional Variations on a Theme...
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 09:50 AM
Mar 2023
That was the first time that I remember thinking that different religions had different views on sexuality.


As a child all the way into my teens, merely holding hands with a young girl of my age was considered taboo, as it might tempt one to travel further down the path of carnal physical engagement.

I wrote a poem about my experience back in 2009.

THE PRICE

Outcast By Five

Suicidal By Eight

Ya' See I'd Already Sinned...

It Was Probably Too Late...


That Girl With Those Eyes, I'd Like To Just Hold Her Hand...

My Momma Says No..., I Don't Understand...


What The Hell's This??? This Shit In My Head!!!

Shutting Me Out... Wanting Me Dead!

Hurting Myself, Trades Pain For Rage, Get Lost In Time, Regress To An Age, When...


What's Wrong With Me? I Do What They Say!

I Take All My Self-ishness... Lock It Away

I Ask God To Guide Me, Show Me The Way...


How About This... Just Leave Me Alone...

Don't Talk To Me About Crosses And Thrones,

The Child Ain't A Sinner, Till He Buys The Rules...

The Price Is Becoming A Suffering Fool...



I wrote another in 2015

INCULCATION

I was never a part of the scene.

I was comin' apart at the seams.

My Jesus, all I could see...

Sure God, was dwellin' in me
.

Alone with the truth, in bed as a child...

Wrestling desperately, flailing and wild.

Hoping against hope, that it could be true...

Jesus would love me, but what could I do?


Hated myself with a passion.

Sure I'd burn after this for my actions.

Knew I just had to believe.

Took decades for me to break free.


Alone with the truth, in bed as a child...

Wrestling desperately, flailing and wild.

Hoping against hope, that it could be true...

Jesus would love me, but what could I do?


I slept, at night with my demons.

A dreamin' and always a fearin'...

That Jesus would come back and set me on fire...

All the while Satan, wearing a smile.


Alone with the truth, in bed as a man...

At peace with the facts, just do what I can.

False hope is blinding, faith in a lie.

Take your time, look closer, just analyze.



My experience is that of being "beat to hell", then "lifted out", odd to say, both times by doubt.
When I rejected doubt, it beat me to hell, when I embraced doubt, it lifted me out.

Which is why I say, doubt is my "savior", reason is my "god".

May reason rule.



MayReasonRule

(1,460 posts)
58. Quite welcome y'all! I discovered as I write I reveal to myself what was hidden before.
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 12:55 PM
Mar 2023

When I wrote them, I intended to sing each as a song.

To date, I've only been able to express them in written form.
Even typing them today brought up sobs within myself.

Perchance, one day soon, it may be I will sing them.

I've managed it with almost all the rest that I've written, time just takes time.

As I acknowledged the damage that was done, I've been able to align my head, heart and gut, and just be me.

Today I focus on living in my moments, embracing what I love within them, and leaving the rest.
Healing for me comes from owning my past, living in my moments, and planning for the future.

So in the parlance of "us 'round here..."

Laissez bon temps rouler! Seize the moment y'all and may reason rule!

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
5. Yep, they go on about pray, but are really saying prey. They are so
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 06:11 PM
Mar 2023

dangerous and for whatever people believe in them because they hold a bible and wave a cross. Religion is the most outrageous propaganda and indoctrination IMO going on.

chowder66

(9,067 posts)
7. So will red states take over Religious broadcasting? Ban bibles, arrest religious leaders
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 06:20 PM
Mar 2023

and anyone who assists them? Will they ban religious nouns? Will they ban bible classes, church camps, gatherings, etc?
Will they make them de-transition into atheists as they were when they were born?

COL Mustard

(5,897 posts)
27. If they want to secede, then let them
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 08:06 PM
Mar 2023

After they return all existing Federal property or compensate the US for what they stole.

Celerity

(43,317 posts)
47. googled it
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 12:08 AM
Mar 2023

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

3Hotdogs

(12,372 posts)
10. The thing is, if they really believed the shit they come out with on the pulpit,
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 06:34 PM
Mar 2023

would they participate in the adultery, and child abuse that they say leads to a fire of eternity?

TexasBushwhacker

(20,174 posts)
35. But they believe they are forgiven of all their sins
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 09:02 PM
Mar 2023

The threat of hell is to convince the followers to believe that Jesus died for their sins. Remember, God didn't give the 10 Commandments to Christians. He gave them to Moses, a Jew.

Our prisons are full of believers, mostly Christian. Read up on family annihilator John List. He was a deeply religious man and the shame of losing his job, and the fact he didn't think his family was pious ENOUGH, drove him to murder his mother, wife and three children. But he didn't kill himself because that sin would be unforgivable. So he left a letter to his pastor about why he had killed them and went undercover for DECADES. When they finally caught him and sent him to prison, he said he had no regrets because he knew he would see his family in heaven.

Sky Jewels

(7,069 posts)
13. Ever since I was a little kid, I have always been totally creeped out by
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 06:54 PM
Mar 2023

church people, especially clergy. They've always grossed me out at a primal level.

Torchlight

(3,327 posts)
15. I'm curious if there's a database, official or not
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 06:57 PM
Mar 2023

which collates the occupations of those guilty of sexual assault on women and/or minors, and which occupation has the highest per capita number of offenders.

Not that it would weaken or strengthen any arguments, just idle curiosity on my part.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
52. I remember quite a few years ago friends called me
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 09:52 AM
Mar 2023

Asked me to come see the new Pastor they just hired. I was dressed, ready to go, picked up the Sunday paper. The headline read, Pastor arrested for soliciting boys , has a long record.

The Church closed the doors.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
53. They are everywhere and I will never understand why
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 10:06 AM
Mar 2023

adults including many parents and guardians are so effin' gullible.
I call it religious stupor but that's not accurate because they also hide among sports coaches, teachers and scout leaders.
Projection is one of their strategies

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
59. It is as if they join because
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 12:57 PM
Mar 2023

Last edited Thu Mar 16, 2023, 02:10 PM - Edit history (1)

They feel safe to do what they want. In the Pastors case he was soliciting online. The board was friends I had known for a long time. I used to be the Secretary. They must not have checked at all. Ended my Church days for a long time.. I go occasionally to see friends, but totally different Church. One like mine is hard to find.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
60. Yep
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 01:15 PM
Mar 2023

The other thing I’ll. Ever understand is why they think their online soliciting is confidential.
There are lots of evil fools in our communities.

Response to True Blue American (Reply #52)

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
28. There's a subreddit...
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 08:08 PM
Mar 2023

Trigger warning! https://www.reddit.com/r/PastorArrested/

This sub's always active. Always. Active...

And I can only read it in small doses, because Jesus fucking Christ!!!

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
41. Thank you. Bookmarking.
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 10:43 PM
Mar 2023

Lotta church people on the reddit list. I couldn't read very far, either, it's so sickening.

Evolve Dammit

(16,723 posts)
17. A large percentage is consistently those with access in "religious" cults and churches. There are
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 07:15 PM
Mar 2023

your groomers and predators. Easy access and no safeguards for the flock. Sick MF'ers. Disturbingly sick. And it goes on and on, just like gun violence. It is endemic.

Phoenix61

(17,002 posts)
19. All predators hang out as close to their prey as they can get.
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 07:49 PM
Mar 2023

Sharks hang near seals. Ospreys hang out near fish. Pedophiles hang out near children.

COL Mustard

(5,897 posts)
24. Well clearly he's one of the few outliers
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 08:02 PM
Mar 2023

What’s the old saying? 99% of lawyers/doctors/your favorite group makes the other 1% look bad.

keithbvadu2

(36,775 posts)
34. How many drag queens have been arrested for grooming/molesting children compared to republicans/yout
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 08:54 PM
Mar 2023

How many drag queens have been arrested for grooming/molesting children compared to republicans/youth pastors?

chowmama

(412 posts)
37. Well, if what you want is absolute corruption
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 09:12 PM
Mar 2023

You're going to go where there's absolute power.

The sort of person who wants to be able to tell others that he speaks for God and can't be questioned is very likely to have an agenda. Often, spirituality has nothing to do with it.

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The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
50. If you do not want your kids groomed keep them our of church!
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 08:49 AM
Mar 2023

This is another reason Christianity is collapsing in the US.

Initech

(100,063 posts)
56. Out of curiosity, I Googled "Youth pastor arrested".
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 11:28 AM
Mar 2023

There's literally tons of websites and social media feeds dedicated to tracking youth pastors that have been arrested for horrifying sex crimes. These are the people who we need to worry about "grooming" our children.

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