My wife isn't concerned about the time Garland/Smith are taking.....

[brooklynite]

...and unlike many voices here, she has a Law Degree and has worked for DOJ as a prosecutor. I'll accept her judgement.

[elleng]

1. Ditto, i'm with her, tho never served as prosecutor,

'just' a tranportation regulator.

[OAITW r.2.0]

2. I imagine when you indict a former POTUS, you are going to make an airtight case.

A coffin-like case.

[ificandream]

5. That's really it.

And as much as we'd all like to see this over NOW, we don't want to see it fall flat on its ass. I agree with the OP.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

8. Indeed.

Getting a conviction is the critical necessity, not simply making indictments w/o having an ironclad case.

[OAITW r.2.0]

11. One of the truly great musical phrases of all time

"Such a long, long time to be gone
And a short time to be there"

Thanks Phil and Robert.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

12. Two "indeeds" in a row.

[Hieronymus Phact]

56. Never Strike at the King

Unless you're assured of success.

[Rebl2]

16. Yes I can imagine

[LiberalFighter]

18. The deeper the coffin the better.

[Joinfortmill]

30. Good one.

[Chakaconcarne]

37. and attempt to do so when new crimes are discovered every week....

Not surprised it's taking so long...

[Cha]

3. I don't have a "law degree" &

I'm not one who is impatient, either.

[Emile]

4. My wife is a retired factory worker and she is pissed off

that it is taking this long!

[MLAA]

10. Better stay out of her way until indictments hit! Then get ready to celebrate with her!

[Ocelot II]

6. Ditto, though not as a prosecutor.

I do know that there's far more to these things than appear on cable tv talk shows.

[hippywife]

7. I'm not, either.

They have a herculean task, with tons of witnesses and what I can only imagine is an extremely long paper trail. They'll get them when they feel they have the case cinched up tight.

[Deuce]

9. Neither am I...

[nevergiveup]

13. This is not meant to be snarky

but at what point would your wife be concerned? If, God forbid, the Republicans win the White House next year does she think a Justice Dept controlled by Republicans would continue the investigation into Trump? Before we can snap our fingers the presidential election is going to be in full swing and there will likely not be any indictments after that. I am on the side of those who are super concerned.

[ShazzieB]

20. I don't mean this to be snarky, either.

Do you honestly believe that Merrick Garland and Jack Smith are not aware there's an election next year? Do you think they don’t know what that means or factor it into every decision they make?

I swear, I'm really not trying to be snarky, just pointing out something that I think should be obvious. Those guys would have to be pretty stupid, imo, not to be extremely aware of the looming election and exactly what the ramifications could be if the wrong party won. I see no reason to think either of them is massively stupid enough to be unaware of those things.

In fact, I firmly believe they're not stupid. I think they are both very, very smart. You don't reach the heights either of them have reached in their careers by being stupid. That being the case, I see no reason to assume that they're ignoring the upcoming election or lackadaisically taking their sweet time.

If I thought they didn't know what they're doing, I would probably be very, very worried. But I see no reason to assume that they don't both know exactly what they're doing and how much time they have to do it. Am I concerned? Sure. But neither of those guys has given me any reason to think they don't know what their jobs are or how to do them, and for that reason, I'm honestly not all that worried.

[sheshe2]

38. +1

[Captain Zero]

53. Special Prosecutors stay over to next Administration

Remember that.

I think this is why Garland went ahead with a special prosecutor. They know a republican admin would kill the prosection. So its protected now until it's completed. And that's when the special prosecutor says he is done.

[lame54]

55. Doesn't answer his question

[ShazzieB]

57. How could *I* possibly answer his question?

He asked what it would take for brooklynite's wife to be concerned. I have no freaking idea. I don't even know the woman.

If you have a problem with that question not being answered, you need to take it up with brooklynite, no me.

[lame54]

68. My bad...

Didn't look at your name
I read your post title and thought you were the op'er

[whathehell]

62. I understand what you're saying but,

what if they're not that concerned about the election?

What if they are concerned, but less so than about something else?...I think it's possible.

[ShazzieB]

66. Possible? Maybe.....?

But if I thought either of those things was true, I would suspect it's probably because they know something I don't.

Some seem to assume that the lack of visible action (that they can't see with their own eyes) means Garland and/or Smith is incompetent or a big old fraidy cat. I've seen so many comments to that effect. "Garland is weak," "Garland is scared," "Garland is afraid of looking partisan," and on and on,

That's not the page I'm on.

[whathehell]

67. Yeah, well, whatever..

No one here knows what's going on, but, like many, I'm getting concerned.

[Duppers]

25. This ☝️

[Meowmee]

34. People who are wealthy and in high paid professions

Many are not as concerned for various reasons imo.

[BannonsLiver]

46. Are you talking about actual skin in the game?

Based on all the humble brags from the OP about their alleged wealth they don’t seem to have much skin in the game, really.

[inthewind21]

49. Honestly

Does it really matter? Would it surprise you in the least to see Trump elected WHILE under federal indictment? Elections are the business of the people, the voters will decide who will be in the WH, not the DOJ. Indicting Trump will most likely NOT change the minds of any of his supporters. Questions is, will everyone else realize what has happened since 2016, or will we have a repeat, THAT is the real question here.

[Goodheart]

14. Your wife is entitled to her feelings.

I'm entitled to mine: I'm pissed off.

[Murphyb849]

15. Me either

[fightforfreedom]

17. Thank you for your post.

[Thunderbeast]

19. I agree...."When you aim for the King you best not miss"

Quote from a book called "the Prince " by Nicolo Machiavelli written in the 1600s.

Ask Claus von Stauffenberg...

[Bernardo de La Paz]

21. I am concerned, but expect big crucial cases to take a long time, so I am patient. . . . nt

[calimary]

50. I'm trying to be patient.

But in the back of my mind, there’s something that down deep that still nags: “justice delayed is Justice denied.”

[LudwigPastorius]

22. Two main things concern me:

The past general track record of holding Trump accountable for his crimes prior to Jan. 6.

...and, the fact that it took 7 months for Merrick Garland to appoint a Special Counsel to work the stolen documents case, the handoff of the investigation of the insurrection (which had occurred 22 months prior) being almost like an afterthought.

[BigmanPigman]

27. Bingo!

[CrispyQ]

54. This. So much this!

The scope of the J6 case makes it quite a different beast than the documents case which is pretty cut & dried & IMO, makes us look weak as a party & as a country that we let this security risk continue to walk free. WTF?

[Fiendish Thingy]

23. Yeah, but...

Has she called Garland and told him to speed things up, because many on DU are upset at his glacial pace and feel very strongly that “Justice delayed is Justice denied”?

If not, then she’s part of the problem…




(Thanks for your post, and tell your wife at least one DUer appreciates her patient wisdom)

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

24. When I think about how many other kinds of crimes

see the perpetrator indicted, brought to trial, convicted, and sentenced in far less time, I can't help but wonder, "What the fuck?"

Honestly, I'm expecting The Second Coming to happen sooner than Trump being even indicted, much less tried or indicted or sentenced. And I'm a complete non believer in a second coming.

[Playingmantis]

26. I Agree

Can you imagine if Trump is indicted and gets off and then gets elected claiming the Deep State tried to railroad him and he will seek revenge? These are dangerous waters and even with the best of cases, just one juror could really cause a verdict we would all hate to see..
I also feel impatient...every day I wait to see the headline "Trump Indicted for....." along with a dozen others..but I sure as hell don't want to see "Trump Acquitted" followed by "Trump Elected"

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

42. "Just one juror" can cause a verdict we don't want t0 see.

DOJ is forced to prepare their entire case to persuade that one juror. Even then that juror can refuse to vote to convict TFG just because "he is the president. (sic)

I had a neighbor who served on a jury. "I made up my mind before the lawyers even began their arguments, and there was nothing they could say that would change it.

And that's their biggest fear -- that one juror.

[Lucky Luciano]

28. Great

[Joinfortmill]

29. Me too.

[brettdale]

31. I think the thing that people are worried about

Is no charges will be laid at all, and with every passing day, that feeling
just grows.

[BannonsLiver]

48. This is probably the most likely outcome

And why I’m not impatient about something I have always believed is highly unlikely in the first place.

[Solomon]

32. You spelled judgment wrong.

I know, I know, in England they spell it the way you did. But in American jurisprudence (I'm a lawyer) it's spelled judgment.

[hamsterjill]

70. Thank you!

One of my biggest pet peeves!!!

[louis-t]

33. I think a normal civilian would have been indicted months ago.

I don't think the prosecution is worried about his attorneys kicking ass. Their only job is to delay. He doesn't pay and he doesn't listen, so no decent attorney will represent him.

[mcar]

35. Don't have any of that

but I know enough to believe that charging a former POTUS has to be air tight.

[live love laugh]

36. Your wife sounds very reasonable.

[betsuni]

39. K&R

[Autumn]

40. If I were married to your wife I probably wouldn't be concerned. But I'm not so I'm concerned.

And I trust only what I see, and this movie I have seen before.

[ripcord]

41. This isn't feeding into people's need for instant gratification

The suspect wasn't arrested and convicted inside of one hour, minus commercials of course.

[News Junkie]

64. An hour? How about years?

That's a red herring if I've ever seen one.

[Sneederbunk]

43. The proof is in the pudding. So far, no pudding.

[flying_wahini]

44. Well personally I think 2025 will be too late to matter.

[BannonsLiver]

45. Thanks for the update. I had been wondering what she thought.

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[whathehell]

63. Lol

[Emile]

47. I been told feet dragging a personality trait of a lawyer.

[Quakerfriend]

51. Good to hear an "insiders" opinion.

At times I’ve been disheartened to hear the frustration of some of the MSNBC lawyers.

[3Hotdogs]

52. Is your wife still waiting for the indictments of Bush, Cheney, and Gonzales?

She waited too long for Powell and Rummy to be indicted.

Or maybe she's waiting for the indictment of the bankers in 2008. Oh, that's right there was one indictment and conviction.... some poor, mid-level slob from Wells Fargo.

[Tree Lady]

58. My friend whose son works for DOJ

On Trumps stuff now is positive it is going well and she tells me she thinks indictments coming in a few months.

Not anything said specific from son but just impression she gets.

[Hassler]

59. I understand the skepticism,. We've lived through Mueller and Fitzmas

I'm with your wife.

[whathehell]

60. That's nice, but my sister is a superior court judge

and she feels differently..I'll accept her judgement.

[Tribetime]

61. Okay but there are plenty of lawyers with a lot of experience

That are concerned and have been on m s n b c expressing theis expressing their concern

[News Junkie]

65. Garland was possibly Biden's biggest mistake

Just a "gotcha" for the SCOTUS fiasco.

[Maru Kitteh]

69. I agree with your wife. I want it done right, not fast, and

this is not a movie.

[whathehell]

71. I doubt that the time that's already elapsed..

would be anyone's idea of 'fast'.

[ecstatic]

72. I'm less safe with each day that passes that he is not behind bars

and free to incite more riots, terrorism and a potential race war. But I get that some people won't have to worry about it regardless. Easy for you to blend in, I suppose.