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kentuck

(110,950 posts)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 09:29 AM Mar 2023

It is unprecedented and of a magnitude never seen by this country.

Our democracy has been attacked from the outside, thru the inside.

It is unlike anything we have ever seen in our history.

A large percentage of our people have been brainwashed by Russian propaganda and a criminal demagogue, promoted by a foreign operation called FOX News.

It has brought our country to a dangerous precipice.

It has taken a long time to bring together the forces to battle this enemy but the forces are now gathered.

The enemies of America are finally being confronted.

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It is unprecedented and of a magnitude never seen by this country. (Original Post) kentuck Mar 2023 OP
Now lets do it! Blues Heron Mar 2023 #1
Fox News and much of the current GOP are cancers on the body of America. Botany Mar 2023 #2
Are there such things as license-renewal challenges? calimary Mar 2023 #19
Cable Channels Aren't Licensed ProfessorGAC Mar 2023 #27
My dad was Antifa, Class of 1945. Racism seems to be at the heart of all of this evil that repeats. OMGWTF Mar 2023 #23
I suspect the attack never ended from the end of the Civil War NewHendoLib Mar 2023 #3
Our ancestors who flocked to American shores would be shocked, horrified and deeply saddened. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #4
And those who fought ... EmmaLee E Mar 2023 #18
I am so glad my father is not alive to see this day. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #20
Yes, and there's a lot of goddamn accountability that needs to be meted out. Joinfortmill Mar 2023 #5
Absolutely and we also need to remind ourselves it's not just our form of democracy under attack Cheezoholic Mar 2023 #6
That is an important observation... MiHale Mar 2023 #11
And that will always be a losing war SomedayKindaLove Mar 2023 #15
++ appalachiablue Mar 2023 #22
Murdoch and family are finally being confronted... rubbersole Mar 2023 #7
I also consider Twitter a foreign propaganda operation now. Justice matters. Mar 2023 #8
With YouTube letting Traitor45 have his channel back, add them to the list tikka Mar 2023 #13
Is there any restriction on the length a YouTube comment can be? LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2023 #33
Kentuck, I hope you are correct - I almost said right, but quickly changed it. PWPippinesq Mar 2023 #9
I am an optimist. kentuck Mar 2023 #10
Very nice post...Must be forwarded to everyone, even those who do not agree. Escurumbele Mar 2023 #12
This Sneederbunk Mar 2023 #14
Maybe magnitude or depth, but Germany and American sympathizers did it Hortensis Mar 2023 #16
I believe that adherence to fascism is a mental aberration FakeNoose Mar 2023 #25
So agree. The current surge in authoritarian, fascistic Hortensis Mar 2023 #26
Yes, let's hope our response is as vigorous as needs be. Magoo48 Mar 2023 #17
I'm naive to "legal" stuff. lambchopp59 Mar 2023 #21
The goal is the systematic destruction and breakup of the United States. Initech Mar 2023 #24
Not really unprecedented, unfortunately... Shipwack Mar 2023 #28
I think the difference now is the internet Skittles Mar 2023 #29
Maybe when we refer to this network, we should omit the word "News". calimary Mar 2023 #30
That is a common suggestion around here at DU Bucky Mar 2023 #32
I usually just fall back on "Pox Noise." calimary Mar 2023 #34
The "Spirit of Party" warning in George Washington's farewell address Bucky Mar 2023 #31

calimary

(80,693 posts)
19. Are there such things as license-renewal challenges?
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 03:04 PM
Mar 2023

Last edited Sat Mar 18, 2023, 04:20 AM - Edit history (1)

Or did all that go away with deregulation?

ProfessorGAC

(64,418 posts)
27. Cable Channels Aren't Licensed
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 09:31 PM
Mar 2023

Not a deregulation thing, as they've never been licensed by any agency.
We seem to be stuck with them!

OMGWTF

(3,894 posts)
23. My dad was Antifa, Class of 1945. Racism seems to be at the heart of all of this evil that repeats.
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 07:47 PM
Mar 2023

In the 1800s it was the Confederates, and it was about the black slaves.

In the 1900s it was the Nazis and fascism, and it was about exterminating the Jews, et. al.

In the 2000s, it's the fidiot MAGAts who hate everyone that is not a white, Xitian, male, or a zygot.

I am very tired of being locked in a room with the slow learners.

IT'S TIME TO FKING EVOLVE PEOPLE!

NewHendoLib

(59,940 posts)
3. I suspect the attack never ended from the end of the Civil War
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 10:31 AM
Mar 2023

Roosevelt had to do battle with them
Johnson inflamed them
The Vietnam war created a deeper schism
Dubya proved criminals go unpunished
Astroturf groups created the tea party
Obama's election furthered the schism
Rush and Faux gave them a place to gather the lies and hated

But TFG and his minions are the catalyst for it all to explode

Irish_Dem

(45,625 posts)
4. Our ancestors who flocked to American shores would be shocked, horrified and deeply saddened.
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 10:32 AM
Mar 2023

To see a country so full of promise, hope and a better life, become like the countries they left.
To see American freedom turn into fascism and autocracy.

EmmaLee E

(169 posts)
18. And those who fought ...
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 02:35 PM
Mar 2023

in WWII would be horrified that their sacrifice has been forgotten.

They thought they had conquered fascism.

The true Anti-fa heroes.

Irish_Dem

(45,625 posts)
20. I am so glad my father is not alive to see this day.
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 04:52 PM
Mar 2023

He flew USAF combat in three wars.

And his brother, my uncle, was US navy and was killed during the WWII Battle of Guadalcanal.

Cheezoholic

(1,967 posts)
6. Absolutely and we also need to remind ourselves it's not just our form of democracy under attack
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 10:42 AM
Mar 2023

Democracies in all of it's various forms worldwide are under attack from inside and out as well. Democracies are also by far in the minority both historically and presently as social forms of government. Currently maybe 1-1.5 billion people out of 8 billion are living under some form of a democratic system? That's why it is so important that we fight not just here at home but also abroad to defend democracy itself. Democracy as an ideal is as old as the hills but attempts at actual practicing open inclusive democracies are truly a new kid on the block, 150 years or so out of thousands that have been dominated by totalitarianism in all of its vial forms for most of human history. Those forces will not go down easy.

It's as important, if not more important now as it was in the early 20th century that all democracies stand united world wide against the old man of totalitarian dominance. As big of a pacifist as I am I fear it's a bloody trail ahead but I am also hopeful that enough of the world has been exposed to just a glint of the freedoms democracy can offer that in the end it will prevail if we all stand together.

rubbersole

(6,526 posts)
7. Murdoch and family are finally being confronted...
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 10:51 AM
Mar 2023

And maybe more importantly - exposed to their 'poorly educated' viewers. Many will never see or believe the callous way they were used through their ignorance. 20% already have seen the evidence Dominion gathered. Idiots really don't like to be played. Maybe they should organize a trucker caravan to the faux news headquarters in NYC. That worked so well last time.

33. Is there any restriction on the length a YouTube comment can be?
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 06:24 AM
Mar 2023

I was thinking it would be worthwhile to post Timothy D. Snyder's book, "On Tyranny."

PWPippinesq

(195 posts)
9. Kentuck, I hope you are correct - I almost said right, but quickly changed it.
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 10:57 AM
Mar 2023

I've become so cynical at age 80.

kentuck

(110,950 posts)
10. I am an optimist.
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 11:27 AM
Mar 2023

I believe that justice and accountability is finally coming around. We have never experienced anything like this in our history, in my opinion. It is such a massive conspiracy.

Sneederbunk

(14,207 posts)
14. This
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 12:11 PM
Mar 2023

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,” a Quote Falsely Attributed to Edmund Burke

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Maybe magnitude or depth, but Germany and American sympathizers did it
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 01:14 PM
Mar 2023

then and support for fascism grew into a major force then.

Fortunately, Hitler reportedly had little to no interest in taking over the U.S. (a tainted, mongrel nation) during this period, but we were already a great power and keeping us out of the war by empowering isolationists was critically important to his successful takeover of Europe, Russia and other strategic areas. If he'd succeeded in winning the war there, interest in conquering the U.S. and our industrial base would have followed.

And here we are. Time to do what we did then.

Btw, for years this threat grew while our government ignored or was unaware altogether, and of course was itself filled with a full share of RW fascistic sympathizers. England's intelligence operations in the U.S. supplied desperately needed information to our government. Which then started smashing the subversives and shining a light on what they were and their activities (including American brownshirt thugs) for the people to see.

Like now.

FakeNoose

(32,346 posts)
25. I believe that adherence to fascism is a mental aberration
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 08:54 PM
Mar 2023

... rather than a "cult" and it's certainly not a political belief.

There's something in human behavior that causes certain kinds of people to gravitate towards a leader who offers guarantees of one kind or another. It's right to hate certain people, it's right to take advantage of the weak, etc. There's no questioning the leader because he's always right, so anyone who disagrees must be wrong. This kind of thinking is attractive to people who don't like to think too much, they need to be told how to think, behave, and treat others.

These are the people who gravitate towards fascism, and they live everywhere. Not just in Germany, or the USA, or Russia, they're everywhere - but they are never in the majority. When the majority of us who DON'T think this way, step aside and allow fascists to lead - well, that's when we give up some of our freedom.

Maybe it's too much work to fight them, maybe we detest the thought of standing tough, or maybe we're just lazy and thoughtless. But we non-fascists are in the majority, and we allow them to make all the noise. Every time we fail to stand up against them, we're giving away some of our freedom. How much more can we afford to lose?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. So agree. The current surge in authoritarian, fascistic
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 09:26 PM
Mar 2023

movements in many nations is literally endangering the entire planet, ours above all. What kind of people would cause that?

That a descent into violence and darkness could even be possible is so amazing at a time when our planet is in the middle of incredible growth in wellbeing, today's realities already unimaginable such a short time ago.

Magoo48

(4,659 posts)
17. Yes, let's hope our response is as vigorous as needs be.
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 02:17 PM
Mar 2023

To this point, the majority appear willing to experience a slow loss of freedoms rather than the inconvenience of required powerful, peaceful, massive, consistent direct actions.

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
21. I'm naive to "legal" stuff.
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 06:58 PM
Mar 2023

But it certainly seems to me Fox Noise has done a shitload of damage in dividing families, whipping up a lot of childish tantrums, source of stochastic terrorism and cultism all under false pretenses.
So someone please tell me why there isn't one of the biggest class action lawsuits ever on the behalf of, likely on the order of 30 million citizens or so ever served to these goons?
After Dominion and Snartmatic gets done with them, I'd certainly sign up in the effort to do them in.

Initech

(99,914 posts)
24. The goal is the systematic destruction and breakup of the United States.
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 07:53 PM
Mar 2023

Which will benefit Putin, because as the largest army in the world, a breakup of the US would mean there's no one to stop him from taking over Europe. Fuck Vladimir Putin.

Shipwack

(2,138 posts)
28. Not really unprecedented, unfortunately...
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 11:09 PM
Mar 2023

During the thirties we had the American Nazi Party throwing parades and sold out pageants in Madison Square Garden. Father Coughlin extolled Hitler on his radio show, while Charles Lindbergh criss-crossed America as Germany's good-will ambassador.

History doesn't always repeat, but it often rhymes.

Skittles

(152,964 posts)
29. I think the difference now is the internet
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 03:01 AM
Mar 2023

fascists and easily-manipulated people are pretty common throughout history but now we actually see and hear more and more of them - fascists need to be stamped out like the cockroaches they are.....

calimary

(80,693 posts)
30. Maybe when we refer to this network, we should omit the word "News".
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 04:25 AM
Mar 2023

Just call it Fox. Or Fox Opinion. Or Fox Slants. Or Fox Frauds. Or something like that. Could we start a rebranding strategy with these professional liars and distortionists?

Call ‘em what they ARE. NOT what they wish to be called.

Bucky

(53,795 posts)
32. That is a common suggestion around here at DU
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 04:59 AM
Mar 2023

But as WEB DuBois pointed out, we shouldn't get distracted by the names of things. That which is disrespectable we'll bring shame to its own name and changing its name does nothing to enhance or deflect its actual character.

If anything, continue to call Fox "Fox News" serves to highlight their total betrayal of journalistic integrity.

Bucky

(53,795 posts)
31. The "Spirit of Party" warning in George Washington's farewell address
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 04:52 AM
Mar 2023

Washington's final warning to the country was exactly over issues like this. Americans become so opposed to fellow Americans' ideas that they get lured into belief in and loyalty to a foreign nation's manipulation.

In 1789 Washington was warning against the Republicans' loyalty to revolutionary French propaganda and even fellow Federalists' attachment to British commercial interests, both at the expense of fealty to the American Republic.

And I'll be honest with you, there's really nothing wrong with an American party saying 'We should have a more isolationist foreign policy' or 'America shouldn't take sides in foreign wars, especially against nuclear powered foes.' I disagree with those ideas, but they are perfectly legitimate ideas to put out and argue for. Those alone aren't disloyalty.

What some Maga Republicans today are doing is crossing the line into falling for Russian propaganda and its anti-free press & anti-democracy policies. They mimic Putin's Christian nationalism, buy into his denial of Ukrainian identify (I even saw a republican congressman on TV a couple of weeks ago refer to Ukraine as "the borderlands"!), and find common cause with him in ginning up hatred against gays and transsexuals--favoring denying fundamental constitutional rights to fellow Americans based on their own personal dislikes.

I remember a few years ago noting the number of Republicans at their national convention sporting "country before party" hats, which is honestly a great slogan and should apply to all of us. But that slogan sitting square on Republican heads seems shockingly empty today. This faction is willing to buy any lie from Russia or denounce any American law enforcement official who prosecutes the anti-democracy activities so long as the criminals are from the Republican Party.

It's technically not treason if it's not an act carried out for the enemy in a war. But it is a core treachery to the principles of our country and a categorical disloyalty to the constitutional mandate that we maintain a republican form of government in all of the United States.

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