DOJ expects total number of people charged with crimes for Jan. 6 may be between 1,600 and 2,100

[bigtree]

colmant_ @colmant_ 10m
More than 2,000 could be charged in Jan.6…”


from WaPo:

The Jan. 6 investigation is the biggest in U.S. history. It’s only half done.

___“It’s an enormous, enormous case and, by almost any measure, the largest case the Justice Department has ever had,” said Randall Eliason, a former federal prosecutor who now teaches law at George Washington University. “Big criminal investigations that are far less complicated than this often take several years.”

Eliason said that while the riot cases may be about halfway over, there are indications some of the other branches of the investigation — like the false electors scheme or efforts to use Justice Department officials to undo the election results — appear to be further along, because the witnesses now being subpoenaed include some of the most thorny legal matters and the people closest to former president Donald Trump. Those are generally indicators that an investigation is nearing the end of the fact-gathering phase, he said.

“There are a lot of court fights over privilege, and those take time, and you can’t just plow past them and not try to get critical evidence,” Eliason said.

Prosecutors are hopeful many will be incentivized to plead to help manage the crush of cases, which already have strained the court in the nation’s capital. A Washington Post analysis of the cases so far shows defendants who seek a trial rather than plead guilty end up getting about a year of prison time added to their sentences.

To date, roughly 1,000 people have been arrested for their alleged roles in the events of that day. In late October, when the Justice Department had already charged nearly 900 individuals for alleged crimes surrounding Jan. 6, the U.S. Attorney for the District, Matthew Graves, wrote to court officials alerting them that an additional 700 to 1,200 people may be charged.

read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/03/18/jan-6-investigation-2000-charged/

[hlthe2b]

1. Great, but I want the FUNDERS, the PLOTTERS, and the Jan 5/6 BOMBER caught/prosecuted

The latter in particular.

[bigtree]

3. the article addresses that

...highlighted in bold.

[hlthe2b]

8. I see no such discussion. Heartening that more undefined prosecutions expected, however.

The plotters and planners and funders were (with few exceptions) NOT present at the Capitol on January 6. Nor do we have ANY information on the bomber.

[bigtree]

9. it's not a discussion, it's a set of facts

...clear to anyone who doesn't begin with a dubious assumption that "plotters and planners and funders" aren't in the process of being held accountable.

This article points out that those efforts "appear to be further along" than the thousands of prosecutions of rioters.

Eliason said that while the riot cases may be about halfway over, there are indications some of the other branches of the investigation — like the false electors scheme or efforts to use Justice Department officials to undo the election results — appear to be further along, because the witnesses now being subpoenaed include some of the most thorny legal matters and the people closest to former president Donald Trump. Those are generally indicators that an investigation is nearing the end of the fact-gathering phase, he said.

“There are a lot of court fights over privilege, and those take time, and you can’t just plow past them and not try to get critical evidence,” Eliason said.

[hlthe2b]

10. I point out that there is no mention whatsoever in your article, despite your assertion to the

contrary. Keep posting your highlighted section. It does NOT say what you purport.

And no, despite your accusations, I do NOT diminish NOR discount the efforts of DOJ--just that this aspect has not yet been addressed.

So, stop the false insinuations, bigtree. There are no facts laid out in your article to defend your assertion to the contrary.

[bigtree]

12. wow

...okay.

"Witnesses now being subpoenaed include some of the most thorny legal matters and the people closest to former president Donald Trump," means all the people you complain aren't being held accountable, ARE being held accountable in the most serious and consequential proceedings in our nation's political history, right in front of us.

But EVERY instance of progress is greeted these days by this absolutely false assertion to the contrary, this new fad of oblique cynicism, and outright apathy. This article demonstrates progress in the effort to prosecute top Trump officials. Only the most cynical reading can claim it's not so.

I've personally lost ALL patience with these oblique inferences that nothing is being done against Trump and his associates, as I can see clearly that they are on the precipice of extraordinary, historic legal jeopardy.

That why this reference to that effort being 'further ahead' of the convictions of rioters rings entirely true to me.

I can understand that those more cynical may well see it differently, but for the life of me, I don't know why, and I've ceased to care.

[hlthe2b]

14. It does NOT say that at all. No mention of funders, plotters, or House Reps who enabled.

Maybe they are included (partially or minimally or not at all) in the "those close to Trump" but there is no defined discussion there and you assume WAAAAY too much. Nor is there ANY discussion whatsoever about the bomber on Jan5/6.

THESE ARE NOT OBLIQUE REFERENCES. They are common sense interpretations of what is left to be investigated, defined, and prosecuted in the most significant insurrection attempt in our history since the civil war. Not cynical at all as I clearly indicated TWICE (had you read) that I find the announced plans to prosecute more PRESENT on JAN 6 heartening AND I clearly stated I do not deride DOJ for their efforts--merely expect MORE.

So, fine. Don't care. But if you continue being disingenuous in this, it won't merely be me who calls you on it.

[bigtree]

15. you've been here long enough to know this isn't the totality of these reports of progress

...and it's just silly to argue against that assertion by the law professor which validates all of the other reports of progress, top officials subpoenaed, and an appearance of finality to the grand jury process.

All of that is there, for anyone to see. Maybe not about a single instance of a bomb placed, but conflating that unsolved crime with the complaint about 'plotters' is not really a serious argument.

And look, I'm not some public official or pol that can be kicked around like someone here owns me, so don't threaten me with the good time of someone calling me 'disingenuous.'

[hlthe2b]

16. I am arguing that your assertion of what is contained in the article is simply not there.

We aren't arguing whether or not there is an unknowable activity not specified in the article, but what the article maintains.

You have been here long enough to know that false assertions will be called.

[Initech]

5. I want everyone who was at that meeting at the Trump hotel charged.

That includes the Congress people, senators and everyone else who was there. Yes, that includes Tuberville and Hawley.

[Baltimike]

18. I want every congress critter who GAVE TOURS OF THE BULDING to be charged

and banned from holding office ever again

[Beastly Boy]

2. The crowd size on jan 6 was estimated to be around 2000

This means that DOJ intends to hold everybody... EVERYBODY! responsible for the crimes they committed, no matter how large or small the charges may be.

That's JUSTICE. No fear or favor. Thank you, Garland.

[former9thward]

13. No it was not.

The park service estimated 30,000 and some estimates were up to 80,000.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack#:~:text=U.S.%20Secretary%20of%20the%20Army,varied%20between%202%2C000%20and%2080%2C000.

[Beastly Boy]

19. I should have been more specific

The number of trespassers was around 2000

Obviously, there is nothing illegal about assembling and marching.

[dembotoz]

4. like pokemon gotta get them all

[GregariousGroundhog]

6. There's a couple of other goodies in the article not called out in the OP

A couple of the things that stood out to me:

1) Of the 408 people sentenced so far, 88 of them had at least one felony conviction.
2) The five people convicted at trial for assaulting a police officer have gotten an average fourand a half years in prison. The sentence for those who plead guilty was 13 months less.
3) The 17 people convicted at trial for obstructing a proceeding have gotten an average of four years in prison. The sentence for those who plead guilty was 19 months less.

[Stinky The Clown]

7. January The Twenty First, Two Thousand and Twenty Five

Just sayin'

[Silent3]

11. I'd rather have seen the effort to prosecute hundreds of the street rabble...

…used on a couple of dozen people close to Trump and Trump himself. While some of the low-level insurrectionists might have yielded info useful for prosecuting the coup plotters, that would never explain such a lopsided effort. Most of those thugs just showed up because of what right wing media inspired them to do.

[Baltimike]

17. This guilds the lily a bit too much

There were more than 50,000 people...er...traitors erecting a gallows that day, and the majority of the LESS THAN TEN PERCENT charged were charged with misdemeanors.

Imagine if that had been democratic voters...

The percentage would be way higher than < 10%

[bigtree]

20. at least 2,000 made it into the building

...looks like they're apportioning the charges appropriately between tresspassing, vandalism, acts of violence, and the sedition and iunterference with the vote that they convicted the Oath Keepers on, and are prosecuting Proud Boys in court on right now.

26 Months Since the Jan. 6 Attack on the Capitol

Monday, March 6, 2023, marks 26 months since the attack on the U.S. Capitol that disrupted a joint session of the U.S. Congress in the process of affirming the presidential election results. The government continues to investigate losses that resulted from the breach of the Capitol, including damage to the Capitol building and grounds, both inside and outside the building. As of October 14, 2022, the approximate losses suffered as a result of the siege at the Capitol totaled $2,881, 360.20. That amount reflects, among other things, damage to the Capitol building and grounds and certain costs borne by the U.S. Capitol Police.

Under the continued leadership of the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia and the FBI’s Washington Field Office, the investigation and prosecution of those responsible for the attack continues to move forward at an unprecedented speed and scale. The Department of Justice’s resolve to hold accountable those who committed crimes on January 6, 2021, has not, and will not, wane.

Based on the public court documents, below is a snapshot of the investigation as of the close of business Friday, March 3, 2023. Complete versions of most of the public court documents used to compile these statistics are available on the Capitol Breach Investigation Resource Page at https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases.

Arrests made: More than 999 defendants have been arrested in nearly all 50 states and the District of Columbia. (This includes those charged in both District and Superior Court).

Criminal charges:

Approximately 326 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including approximately 106 individuals who have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.
Approximately 140 police officers were assaulted Jan. 6 at the Capitol, including about 80 from the U.S. Capitol Police and about 60 from the Metropolitan Police Department.
Approximately 11 individuals have been arrested on a series of charges that relate to assaulting a member of the media, or destroying their equipment, on Jan. 6.
Approximately 919 defendants have been charged with entering or remaining in a restricted federal building or grounds. Of those, 101 defendants have been charged with entering a restricted area with a dangerous or deadly weapon.
Approximately 61 defendants have been charged with destruction of government property, and approximately 46 defendants have been charged with theft of government property.
More than 306 defendants have been charged with corruptly obstructing, influencing, or impeding an official proceeding, or attempting to do so.
Approximately 55 defendants have been charged with conspiracy, either: (a) conspiracy to obstruct a congressional proceeding, (b) conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement during a civil disorder, (c) conspiracy to injure an officer, or (d) some combination of the three.

Pleas:

Approximately 518 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing.
Approximately 133 have pleaded guilty to felonies. Another 385 have pleaded guilty to misdemeanors.
A total of 60 of those who have pleaded guilty to felonies have pleaded to federal charges of assaulting law enforcement officers. Approximately 26 additional defendants have pleaded guilty to feloniously obstructing, impeding, or interfering with a law enforcement officer during a civil disorder. Of these 86 defendants, 47 have now been sentenced to prison terms of up to 90 months.
Four of those who have pleaded guilty to felonies have pleaded guilty to the federal charge of seditious conspiracy.

Trials:

53 individuals have been found guilty at contested trials, including 3 who were found guilty in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia. Another 16 individuals have been convicted following an agreed-upon set of facts. 19 of these 72 defendants were found guilty of assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers, a felony, including one who has been sentenced to 10 years in prison.

Sentencings:

Approximately 420 federal defendants have had their cases adjudicated and received sentences for their criminal activity on Jan. 6. Approximately 220 have been sentenced to periods of incarceration. Approximately 100 defendants have been sentenced to a period of home detention, including approximately 15 who also were sentenced to a period of incarceration.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/26-months-jan-6-attack-capitol

...also, most reports put the number of rioters at 10,000, not 50k.

[Baltimike]

22. Shew...had they been liberal Obama supporters, MOST would have been

charged with the murder of the slain police officer.

In my neck of the woods...if you were there..."your name's Sue, and you're goin' too"

[Beastly Boy]

21. 50000 erecting a gallow... that's a bit of an overkill, no?

My impression of the First amendment is that assembling, marching, yelling, and, even though I am no expert on the First Amendment, even erecting a gallow, are all protected by the first amendment. Breaching the barricades, trespassing, destroying property, inflicting bodily harm, are not. The number of rioters who illegally entered the Capitol grounds is estimated at around 2000.

The total number of DOJ indictments DOJ is currently estimated to be over 2000.

Do your math. It's not hard.

[Baltimike]

23. Your name is Sue, and you're goin' too.

PS...it's gallows. The plural of gallows is "galloses".

And since DC is a felony murder "state" (albeit without statehood, but that's a whole 'nother Oprah) I said what I said, and my math maths as much as it would have were this a rally with POC.

[Beastly Boy]

24. Funny, but totally off the mark and off subject.

You said what you said, and that's exactly your problem. What does DC being a felony murder case have to do with the number of people to be indicted?

PS: And since you choose to venture into the grammar nazi territory, "my math math" is a redundancy.

Hey, you said what you said!

[Baltimike]

25. because a cop was killed.

and my maths mathing is because of it