If, they manage to put

[sagetea]

the obsolete one in prison, where would they put him? It's not like he can be in general population. Would they take him to Guantanamo bay?

sage

[Pobeka]

1. He will never go to a prison. House arrest is the best we can hope for.

The security implications to keep him in a real prison are a nightmare.

My hope is he'd be served prison food though, even in house arrest. No chocolate cake for that sociopath.

[NJCher]

2. how do you know this?

is this a law?

If it isn't a law, how do they get around the equal treatment of all citizens claim that is made?

Who makes that decision? Is it a judge's decision or is it a jury decision.

I don't doubt that security for him would be a nightmare, but we have here a case where Michael Cohen went to prison for the same thing, so I want to know how you know that trump won't go to prison.

If he gets house arrest, then how does one justify equal treatment under the law?

You know, I know, and everyone in the justice system knows that Michael Cohen is not going to keep his mouth shut about unequal treatment under the law. He will be on television forever reminding everyone that trump is getting special treatment, should it come to pass that he's found guilty and sentenced.

[Pobeka]

4. He's a former president. He gets personal security for life.

That's what makes it different.

It's not about whether he's found guilty.

Find me *one* person, who's worked at DOJ, who will say otherwise, and I'll change my point of view on this. (I'm not trying to be snarky, It's just I have only heard he'll go to prison from some talking head people with no real bonafides, who same as me, think he really deserves a true prison cell.)

I've been listening to the Jack podcast, and Andrew McCabe (former Dep Dir of FBI), quickly waved aside any chance of a real prison cell because of impossibility of keeping the former president secure.

[Silent3]

7. A medium-security prison might work (not that I think that'll happen)

Secret service people could work in shifts where they are granted easy access in and out of the prison facility, just like the guards who work in such places.

But, yes, I have a hard time imagining anything worse than house arrest for Trump. I sure hope that doesn't mean full run of a place like Mar-a-Lago, however, practically living the same lifestyle he lives now. That would be a farce.

[Pobeka]

8. For a sociopath like him, it will be a psychological prison though.

No more flying around to hob-nob and get his ego kicks. It would be a form of deprival that might be as significant to him as a 10'x10' for ordinary people.

[NJCher]

9. I understand that

but you still haven't answered my question about the law and equality.

It is not written, is it?

I'm not trying to persuade you of anything, so I won't be researching DOJ people. My question is how you explain that he'll be treated differently to the public, if in fact that happens. It's not a written-down law, apparently, so how will the inequality be addressed?

Don't feel you have to answer that. It's a rhetorical question at this point.

But as far as your certainty goes, I'd say you need to take this point into account.

[Pobeka]

12. Oh, I completely agree in principle on the equity of treatment issue.

If convicted, he *should* be afforded the same accomodations and and security as any other convict. That would be equal, and just, for certain.

But since when has this ideal system of equality ever really been applied in this country, in recent memory at least?

This is the first time a former president, guaranteed security for life, we are talking about. That is the reality, and why I'll stick with the house arrest as the most will be applied to the TFG, if convicted.

Thanks for your thoughtful response, I do understand your point of view too. Wish we could make a bet and I'd be very happy if I lost and had to pay up because TFG was sent to a regular prison.

[NJCher]

11. in thinking this over a bit

I'm thinking that "judicial discretion" is how it will be dealt with. Every judge has a certain amount of discretion as to how the sentence will be carried out.

The question in this case is how much discretion does the judge have on this charge?

For certain the judge will confer with the Bureau of Prisons to see what is available that would be appropriate for this sentence, if it occurs.

It is not an automatic that he'll get house arrest or whatever else you've heard from former DOJ people.

However, it would be ironic if he did because his buddy Putin is now in a position where he's limited as to where he can go. It would be interesting to see two of the world's bad boys "locked in their rooms."

[Pobeka]

13. It would be interesting to see two of the world's bad boys "locked in their rooms." +1!

[Pobeka]

17. Some new info from the Jack Podcast

They (Allison Gill, Andrew McCabe) answered a question about jail for Trump, if convicted.

Both of them waivered from their original position from a couple of weeks ago. They said because Merrick Garland is so firmly planted in equality of justice, he could well push for a traditional jail.

The thought I had today after hearing that, is: Given how much national security info TFG has been exposed to, and given his clear display of not protecting that information, do you want him interacting with just any population of criminals?

I think that would argue for a special sort of security prison cell, maybe even solitary, or whatever it takes to protect our national security interests.

[LoisB]

3. I think he would prefer general population. He can pretend it is one of his rallies.

[Hotler]

5. Supermax. Flourance, Colorado

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADX_Florence

Realities Of Daily Life In Florence ADX Supermax Prison
https://www.ranker.com/list/what-is-florence-adx-supermax-prison-like/jacob-shelton

[Silent3]

6. I think it's insane the way other prisons allow prisoners to "mingle"

I don't think most prisons should be as severe as this supermax (it sounds like this might count as "cruel and unusual" as is), but I think it's a great idea that prisoners have very minimal physical contact with each other, especially contact that isn't carefully supervised.

Prisoner-on-prisoner violence should be made damned near impossible in ALL prisons. More verbal communication than this supermax allows is a good idea to prevent the mental health issues extreme isolation can cause, but well-monitored communication and nothing that allows threats, intimidation, and the formation of prison gangs to happen.

[Tommy Carcetti]

10. I think a modified barrack on a military base.

That would be my guess.

[CTyankee]

14. Oh, I like that. Someplace far away preferably a hell hole.

[Hotler]

15. Wehave one. it's called Guantnamo Bay. nt

[H2O Man]

16. That's not happening.

[BlackSkimmer]

18. He's not going to prison. And he doesn't have to go to Gitmo to be segregated from the regular

population in the unlikely event that he ever did go to prison.

No one is going to prison for paying hush money to a prostitute.