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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBreaking: All NYPD officers - including plainclothes detectives have been ordered to wear full uni
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stopdiggin
(11,285 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,172 posts)Marvin Magat might be less inclined to crap on the street if the person standing next to him is clearly a LEO.
stopdiggin
(11,285 posts)and this from one of the largest (and most professional) police forces in the world? SO impressed!
edisdead
(1,912 posts)Not saying it isnt but so far I have only read you saying it is stupid or window dressing. Why do you think they shouldnt do this?
Richard D
(8,745 posts)Just a thought. Scary thought, but a thought.
Why though? If they had that a d wanted to cause trouble they would wear it anyway no?
Putting all officers in uniform means that if they arent going to carry out the law then they need ti do it in uniform and be put on notice for it. Seems to me that it is the right thing to do. Pretty hard to get out of dereliction of duty while in uniform.
stopdiggin
(11,285 posts)and my 'reasoning' behind it is that this has about as much real impact - as a "Hug a stranger day." Ergo - cheap ploy. Window dressing.
Additional units, mounted patrols, additional gear, strategic response teams (while I advocate none of that, a strongly suspect none will be necessary) - these things all have the potential of at least having a real impact. "Everybody wear a uniform Tuesday." (with a lapel pin?) - is both toothless, and insubstantial. And basically a shallow con - on the public, and the department.
And, for what its worth - there is my opinion.
edisdead
(1,912 posts)I believe it is so that anyone not performing their duty must do so as a uniformed officer. Easily identifiable. If they dont wear their uniform that is also neglecting an order. Makes sense to me.
ShazzieB
(16,348 posts)I see no reason to call thus stupid. It makes plenty of sense to me, very multiple reasons.
Cha
(297,026 posts)Opposite of "stupid".
smh!
Cha
(297,026 posts)Cha
(297,026 posts)I thought it was going to say full body armor like Kevlar vests or something similar.
rpannier
(24,329 posts)It was the same logic the feds used when they picked up Elian Gonzales to return him to his family in Cuba
You get as many people available to lessen the chance of trouble
Smart move
stopdiggin
(11,285 posts)not a show of force. And a transparently silly one at that. Reality TV anybody?
Irish_Dem
(46,767 posts)When things are really bad, many LE sleep in the barracks and all leaves are cancelled.
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)Because there were research studies done to measure the reaction of the public to uniforms.
The public does indeed give more respect to individuals wearing uniforms.
The larger the number of individuals wearing uniforms, the better. It is not just window dressing.
I have a number of cousins in a large city police force.
High level plain clothes.
But during a (widely televised) city emergency they all had to get back in uniform.
Sleep in the barracks, all leaves cancelled.
No communication to them whatsoever.
Yes the uniforms were meant to send a reassuring message to the public
and to certain criminals at large.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,105 posts)Or maybe the National Guard?
stopdiggin
(11,285 posts)but is clearly a 'show the flag' performance piece.
Plans (provisional of course, because we don't have any idea if anything at all is going to happen on 'Tuesday' .) like you outline, that actually involve some concrete deployment (if necessary) - actually make some sense in terms of strategy and impact. Putting 'suits' in dress blues, even if they're sitting behind a desk ... That's 'show and tell.'
BigmanPigman
(51,582 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)tRump releasing his new line of NFTs.
BigmanPigman
(51,582 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,582 posts)That looks like a similar illustration posted this weekend and half of the words were spelled incorrectly by so-called artist "Mike Oxmaul, Violently"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17739674
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Hadn't seen that one.
BigmanPigman
(51,582 posts)disgusted check out the "Mike Oxmaul, Violently American" artist via Google. I thought I had seen it all but this guy is scary and sick.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Not so amusing that he apparently owns a gun shop of course, but selling tRump dildoes posted "NOT FOR MEN"?
Okay, this is a viewer warning: Don't go there. Unless you're a therapist who can help him.
Auggy74
(60 posts)Mike Oxmaul kinda sounds like "My C*ck's small".
BigmanPigman
(51,582 posts)Satire isn't in his vocabulary.
blogslug
(37,990 posts)As for the "art" I mean, I guess there's an art to typing image prompts into Midjourney or DALLE or whatever.
Mr. Evil
(2,828 posts)"Champion?"
BWAAAAAAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Cherokee100
(265 posts)Send 'Benedict Donald', an orange one.
sanatanadharma
(3,693 posts)Q says clearly a case of preemptive cover for undercover provocateurs
"Police spokes-persons said, all police were in uniform so none were seen making a scene at the crime scene."
"including plainclothes detectives' sounds like a great way to nark out your own crime fighters.
I call "Unlikely and unproven" on this 'reporting'.
InstantGratification
(155 posts)Plain clothes detectives means officers that usually wear a suit to work. Think detective Lenny Briscoe on the original Law and Order. They are not talking about undercover officers.
TomSlick
(11,096 posts)in which the detectives were required to report for duty one day in uniform. I think it was supposed to be an annual thing - uniform day. As a recall, Det. Sgt. Harris showed up in a three piece suit resulting in a testy exchange with Captain Miller.
If the goal is to "show the flag," all officers need to be in uniform.
RockRaven
(14,950 posts)their Proud Boy or Oath Keeper uniforms if applicable"
Sky Jewels
(7,048 posts)PurgedVoter
(2,216 posts)If a NYPD officer is obviously an officer, and has their ID visible, not only does it show presence and numbers, it also makes it a bit harder for one of them to walk around breaking windows. Not all police are on the side of the law.
InstantGratification
(155 posts)I hadn't considered the aspect of stopping "sympathizers" from participating or failing to step up and enforce against offenders. I was going along the lines of NYPD has ~35,000 officers. Putting the normally plain clothes in full uniform pluses up NYPD's street visibility. But it also puts TFG sympathetic officers on notice that they will uphold their oath or be seen to be shirking their duty.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)NBachers
(17,096 posts)stand at attention and salute as The Donald walks by."
brettdale
(12,373 posts)Could that be the time of the indictment
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)triron
(21,988 posts)Karma13612
(4,547 posts)For Tuesday if I hazard a guess. The previous shift would have started Monday and not apply to them.
Just guessing tho.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)All of us something we know nothing about!
madville
(7,408 posts)You always have the ones that want all the overtime they can get and the ones that want to avoid large events at all costs lol.
Aviation Pro
(12,140 posts).
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)who said Tuesday. Guess they are thinking .. what did he tell the crazies is all that matters. Hope they all stay safe! Thank you for trying to protect the human race against a lunatic dictator.
ggma
(708 posts)regarding whether it is wise to order full uniform is moot until we know what full uniform means. Is it dress blues or cammies with gas masks, etc.
Just a thought...
gg
kacekwl
(7,016 posts)or this is a ridiculous waste of resources.
Karma13612
(4,547 posts)Force is to report. They just mean that all on duty must be in uniform.
Thats how I read it. 🤷?♀️
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Trump will know when hes supposed to report and I just dont think he will miss the opportunity to announce when and what time he will be showing up. He will want the biggest fanfare he can arrange and he is still hoping for his followers to riot in a show of solidarity with him.