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bluestarone

(16,911 posts)
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:21 AM Mar 2023

Just gotta say, i'm really confused with the Stormey Daniels hearing. (lawyer problem)

So could it be possible that the conflict of interest between the attorneys client was PLANNED? Just cause another DELAY? I mean so if true, what if any charges will be brought forth? Like i said, i don't get it!

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bluestarone

(16,911 posts)
3. Yea, you know it's the "but" that gets me!
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:24 AM
Mar 2023

I wouldn't put it past these YAHOO'S at all, that it was PLANNED from the get-go!

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
18. STOP BELIEVING THINGS LIARS SAY
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 03:57 PM
Mar 2023

Just because Tacopino said on a talk show years ago that he consulted with Daniels does not mean it is true.

Just because Trump says he is being indicted does not mean it is true.

Could we stop acting like Trump and his ilk are credible sources of anything?

hlthe2b

(102,228 posts)
19. Oh, stop it. I, in no way or manner suggested I believe Tacopino or any other Trump lawyer.
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 03:58 PM
Mar 2023

Take it elsewhere.

The ? only conveys that Trump's lawyers are stupid enough to ignore the risk to their own reputation and law license to do his bidding. As we have repeatedly seen.

Ocelot II

(115,681 posts)
2. Oh, for God's sake, no! It would not have been planned.
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:24 AM
Mar 2023

As stupid as some of TFG's lawyers seem to be, Tacopino wouldn't have deliberately set himself up to be accused of a conflict of interest and possible sanctions just to get a few days' delay for a grand jury indictment. If that's what's even happening.

bluestarone

(16,911 posts)
6. Well, you gotta admit that Tacopino KNEW what he was doing?
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:29 AM
Mar 2023

I just cannot believe this guy could even for ONE minute believe he could get away with this BULLSHIT! Why would he do it?

Ocelot II

(115,681 posts)
7. He probably did think he could get away with it
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:32 AM
Mar 2023

by claiming he never acted as Stormy's attorney and everybody would forget about it. I am quite certain that he did not intend to set himself up just to get a few days' delay. That would have been beyond stupid and also pointless.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
11. tbh...
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 12:23 PM
Mar 2023

I haven't looked at the COI rules for any relevant state, but I don't really see the problem. I glanced at my state's rules and the ABA model rules and other than a classically overbroad "as seen on TV" version of conflict rules, I'm not persuaded there is a conflict.

If the issue in the Bragg investigation is whether the payment to Daniels constituted an unreported campaign contribution, and that company records were falsified in furtherance of concealing the contribution, then there really is no conflict in Tacopina having previously engaged in a prospective client consultation with Daniels years ago. Daniels is not tremendously important to whether the money was paid to her (which no one disputes) or how Trump and his company characterized it for accounting purposes (which has utterly nothing to do with Daniels).

Furthermore, and I have to marvel at how people reflexively believe these dimwits, the only source of information that Tacopino engaged in a consultation with Daniels was Tacopino saying so on a talk show when he didn't feel like answering a detailed question and wanted to make himself seem important. Other than another "lying liar said something" I've seen no indication that Tacopino ever spoke two words with Daniels.

Otherwise, I'd have to see a specific reference to a relevant rule in a relevant jurisdiction.

Ohio Joe

(21,753 posts)
4. Well...
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:25 AM
Mar 2023

If prosecution wants him out, I expect it will happen during pre-trial motions phase... And with the actual trial 6-8 months out from indictment, there should be plenty of time to get a new lawyer. But... I have a feeling it will not be an issue.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
5. There is nothing to be confused about
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:28 AM
Mar 2023

The only reason people expected anything to happen this week is because Trump said so.

Stop believing Trump and you will be a lot less confused.

There is no indication that Bragg is going to obtain an indictment this week, next week, or next year. It is all speculation, along with Trump's nonsense.

This week is just like last week or the week before that. The only thing that changed is people decided to believe Trump.

Ocelot II

(115,681 posts)
9. Thank you! People have got their knickers in a twist because
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:37 AM
Mar 2023

TFG claimed, with no basis and only to raise money and get attention, that he would be indicted this week. While it's true that the process seems to be nearing its end, there's never been any reason to assume it would happen this week. If nothing happens this week it's as likely as not that there's an innocuous procedural reason for it - and this grand jury is also hearing other cases. Trump got everybody all stirred up, the media took the bait, and now folks are freaking out because it didn't happen, assuming all sorts of nefarious influences. That's not it. Go buy some popcorn, settle down and just fucking wait.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
12. That's also true of Tacopino's claim to have consulted with Daniels
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 12:24 PM
Mar 2023

There's only one source for that claim.

Ocelot II

(115,681 posts)
14. Tacopino himself was the source, in a CNN interview with Don Lemon in 2018.
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 12:52 PM
Mar 2023

“So before being represented by Avenatti, Stormy approached you about representation,” Lemon noted. “Did you get any impression that she may have signed NDA under duress and was she afraid for her physical safety?”

Tacopina did not dispute Lemon’s assertion.

“Yes, of course, and I can’t really talk about my impressions or any conversations we had because there is an attorney-client privilege that attaches even to a consultation,” Tacopina answered. https://lawandcrime.com/trump/menage-a-law-trump-attorneys-cnn-interview-about-consulting-with-stormy-daniels-may-be-an-ethical-mess-experts-say/

Now he's walking this back, claiming he said that he "sidestepped what was an unexpected question by providing a response that lacked clarity. However, for the sake of such clarity now, kindly note that I never stated that spoke with or met Stormy Daniels."

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
15. That's my point
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 01:06 PM
Mar 2023

Correct - the notion that Tacopino has any "conflict" comes from "shit Tacopino said on TV" as if that carries some kind of "before God and Don Lemon" degree of reliability.

People have chosen to believe Trump and Tacopino, and then they have to weave these bizarre fanfic versions of reality, as if it was some bizarro universe Qanon circle jerk.

Ocelot II

(115,681 posts)
17. Oh, I see what you mean.
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 01:08 PM
Mar 2023

It would be pretty dumb for Tacopino to get into a conflict like that, so it did bear checking out, but now some people are saying he did it deliberately in order to delay the grand jury, which is even dumber.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
13. Actually, there was media speculation about an indictment prior to Trump's tweet
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 12:34 PM
Mar 2023

Trump claimed he was going to being arrested "Tuesday" was published on March 18. But there was build up in the media about a likely indictment before he made that claim.

Here's CNBC on March 17: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/17/trump-grand-jury-new-york-law-enforcement-prepping-for-indictment.html

Here's the NY Times on March 10: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/09/nyregion/trump-potential-criminal-charges-bragg.html


Here's NPR on March 10: https://www.ctpublic.org/2023-03-10/what-we-know-about-trump-possibly-facing-criminal-indictment-in-new-york-city

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
10. THANK YOU!!!
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:47 AM
Mar 2023

It's a two-fer for Trump. He's making money off of his stunt, and he's turning Democrats against Bragg--even though Bragg has never said he's even near completing this case. It's sad that people on the left are falling for it.

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