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Joe Cool

(901 posts)
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 08:03 AM Mar 2023

Ron DeSantis' plan to take control of Disney's land backfired spectacularly

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ron-desantis-plan-control-disneys-025925431.html

Gov. Ron DeSantis gained control of Walt Disney World's oversight district board in February.

The move was an attempt to strip the company's self-governing power that it has enjoyed for decades.

But a previously signed agreement may have rendered the new governing board powerless.

Gov. Ron DeSantis' move to take over Walt Disney World's governing board in Florida may have backfired due to a prior obscure agreement that new governor-appointed board members say stripped them of their power.
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Ron DeSantis' plan to take control of Disney's land backfired spectacularly (Original Post) Joe Cool Mar 2023 OP
Hopefully that move have saved some of the entertainment shows I enjoy as well....... Lovie777 Mar 2023 #1
The board had nothing to do with any of that. Phoenix61 Mar 2023 #5
I think GatorDem82 Mar 2023 #12
As it should be. Just do the job competently and quietly. hunter Mar 2023 #16
one might even say that Disney was fully "awake" to the threat from Ron "album tabernus" DeSantis lapfog_1 Mar 2023 #2
Ron "botas blancas" DeSantis Farmer-Rick Mar 2023 #30
He's clearly ready Quanto Magnus Mar 2023 #42
Ty.. I want to save this little moRon's ugly pic. Cha Mar 2023 #47
I still don't understand SouthernDem4ever Mar 2023 #3
Because it's a contract between the board and Disney. Phoenix61 Mar 2023 #7
Disney signed an agreement with the previous board Marius25 Mar 2023 #17
This is all assuming that Florida Legislature gives a crap about legal contracts SouthernDem4ever Mar 2023 #25
Yeah, a law nullifying Disney's contract could pass in Florida's legislature Farmer-Rick Mar 2023 #33
I believe that provision is for Old Crank Mar 2023 #34
From what I've read, it's such a powerful provision that it prevents the board Marius25 Mar 2023 #35
And this is why you don't fuck with the mouse lol. Volaris Mar 2023 #44
Mouse - 1, Death Sentence - 0 lark Mar 2023 #4
My Favorite Part... LOL MayReasonRule Mar 2023 #6
There has to be a really great reason that's in there and Phoenix61 Mar 2023 #9
Rule against perpetuity. Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #10
Looks like they have already considered that. Phoenix61 Mar 2023 #13
The King and ancestors clause...not sure a Judge would give that a pass as complying. Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #15
I think this last sentence is the work around Phoenix61 Mar 2023 #19
King Charles III has some very young descendants Mariana Mar 2023 #22
States Have Varying Laws With Respect To "Rules Against Perpetuity"... This Sidesteps Those... MayReasonRule Mar 2023 #14
After all it is the 'Magic Kingdom' with Princess and Princes. Historic NY Mar 2023 #28
To avoid a tripwire anti-perpetuity law swimboy Mar 2023 #18
I should have read the article. I didn't realize it was Phoenix61 Mar 2023 #11
DeSantis Is A Delusional Y'all Qaeda Nat-C Republican Fascist Criminal MayReasonRule Mar 2023 #20
Loved that myself! Pacifist Patriot Mar 2023 #43
Disney should make him their next villain NickB79 Mar 2023 #8
I like it...next Disney cartoon blockbuster... Revenge of the Sunshine Fascist Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #23
That would be hilarious! Ligyron Mar 2023 #24
one change to your post onethatcares Mar 2023 #32
Puss in white boots JanLip Mar 2023 #39
Checkmate, DeBoots. area51 Mar 2023 #21
Watch the potholes build up - enough to fill The Albert Hall lame54 Mar 2023 #26
LOL. I haven't heard of the Rule Against Perpetuities since law school RedSpartan Mar 2023 #27
Guniness Brewery has a 9000 yrs lease for 45 pounds a yr. Historic NY Mar 2023 #29
Damn! ArkansasDemocrat1 Mar 2023 #38
This makes me smile LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2023 #31
Spectacle... Caliman73 Mar 2023 #36
If you come for the mouse Zorro Mar 2023 #37
Yep, the mouse don't play. Mickey is all about Find Out lol... Volaris Mar 2023 #46
His run for the Presidency backfired spectacularly also. Everyone just hasn't realized it yet. FSogol Mar 2023 #40
Speechless due to laughter... Hekate Mar 2023 #41
Me too DoBotherMe Mar 2023 #48
Kick. N/T Upthevibe Mar 2023 #45
he is constantly out-maneuvered Skittles Mar 2023 #49
Ron was outsmarted by a mouse. The Jungle 1 Mar 2023 #50

Lovie777

(13,485 posts)
1. Hopefully that move have saved some of the entertainment shows I enjoy as well.......
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 08:23 AM
Mar 2023

besides a great many jobs for the sane.

Phoenix61

(17,243 posts)
5. The board had nothing to do with any of that.
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:17 AM
Mar 2023

It’s strictly about controlling the land and the services, fire, water etc, that entails.

GatorDem82

(36 posts)
12. I think
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:34 AM
Mar 2023

Actually, the board would have most certainly used it's position and power to pressure Disney into changing content, etc, at the risk of having anything and everything it wanted in relation to the land use, services and such withheld unless Disney complied. I think that was the whole point of Deathsantis putting in his cronies, to apply pressure that way to get what he wants. Glad to see the Mouse gave him the royal finger.

hunter

(38,590 posts)
16. As it should be. Just do the job competently and quietly.
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:42 AM
Mar 2023

It's the Republicans who want to turn everything, even mundane things like keeping community infrastructure in good repair, into a freak show and circus from hell.

lapfog_1

(29,584 posts)
2. one might even say that Disney was fully "awake" to the threat from Ron "album tabernus" DeSantis
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 08:34 AM
Mar 2023

or Ron "botas blancas" DeSantis.

Cha

(300,866 posts)
47. Ty.. I want to save this little moRon's ugly pic.
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 08:34 PM
Mar 2023


Where the hell did he find those boots & WTH was he thinking by wearing them?!!

SouthernDem4ever

(6,618 posts)
3. I still don't understand
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:01 AM
Mar 2023

Last edited Thu Mar 30, 2023, 10:45 AM - Edit history (1)

What about this agreement stops the new board from amending to their advantage? Love his white go-go boots.

Phoenix61

(17,243 posts)
7. Because it's a contract between the board and Disney.
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:22 AM
Mar 2023

They are free to try ask Disney to change the contract but that isn’t going to happen. It’s the same reason DeStupid couldn’t dissolve the board without the state assuming Disney’s debt, because that’s what the original contract stated.
Agreement may be a better word but either way it’s legally binding.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
17. Disney signed an agreement with the previous board
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:46 AM
Mar 2023

that is binding for decades unless Disney itself agrees to change it. The new board doesn't have the power to change it without Disney's permission.

Disney included a complicated common law provision in the agreement that prevents the new board from having any control over Disney until 21 years after the last surviving descendant of King Charles III passes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_against_perpetuities#:~:text=The%20rule%20against%20perpetuities%20is,time%20the%20instrument%20was%20written.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,618 posts)
25. This is all assuming that Florida Legislature gives a crap about legal contracts
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 10:37 AM
Mar 2023

Repugs don't seem to care about law or precedent. I can see them nullifying it, unless they see it would be more to their benefit to leave it alone.

Farmer-Rick

(10,687 posts)
33. Yeah, a law nullifying Disney's contract could pass in Florida's legislature
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 11:29 AM
Mar 2023

But the Florida Supreme Court may stop the legislation as an ex post facto law.

Most all ex post facto laws are expressly forbidden by the United States Constitution in Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3 (with respect to federal laws) and Article 1, Section 10 (with respect to state laws).

So Disney would probably win in the Supreme Court, state and even federal.

Old Crank

(4,015 posts)
34. I believe that provision is for
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 12:05 PM
Mar 2023

The use of any Disney "fanciful characters". Not the other agreements.
That would mean the board can't depict any Disney character on, letterhead, official documents or announcements.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
35. From what I've read, it's such a powerful provision that it prevents the board
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 12:20 PM
Mar 2023

from doing anything with the Reedy Creek district except maintaining roads and infrastructure. They can't actually change anything tied to Disney itself in the parks.

Volaris

(10,371 posts)
44. And this is why you don't fuck with the mouse lol.
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 07:34 PM
Mar 2023

I'd be willing to bet this is just the warning shot. Disney will make sure that President Puddin, never happens.

MayReasonRule

(1,511 posts)
6. My Favorite Part... LOL
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:19 AM
Mar 2023
This provision is valid until:

...21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England,”
according to the document.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
10. Rule against perpetuity.
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:30 AM
Mar 2023

Rule against perpetuities

The rule against perpetuities is a legal rule in the common law that prevents people from using legal instruments to exert control over the ownership of private property for a time long beyond the lives of people living at the time the instrument was written.

Rule is contract time max. is that of persons living, plus 21 years.

This clause found a loophole…not sure a court would uphold this…seems to not be in the spirit of the law.

Phoenix61

(17,243 posts)
13. Looks like they have already considered that.
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:37 AM
Mar 2023

7. TERM; ASSIGNMENT BY WDPR. 7.1. Term. This Declaration shall be deemed effective as of the Effective Date and continue to be effective in perpetuity unless all or certain portions of the provisions of this Declaration are expressly terminated as provided elsewhere herein; provided, however, that if the perpetual term of this Declaration is deemed to violate the "Rule Against Perpetuities," or any similar law or rule, this Declaration shall continue in effect until twenty one (21) years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, King of England living as of the date of this Declaration. Notwithstanding the foregoing or anything to the contrary herein, this Declaration will terminate as of the date that none of WDPR or any of its Affiliates (or their respective successor entities) owns any real property within ten (10) miles of the RCID Properties.

Phoenix61

(17,243 posts)
19. I think this last sentence is the work around
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:46 AM
Mar 2023

“ Notwithstanding the foregoing or anything to the contrary herein, this Declaration will terminate as of the date that none of WDPR or any of its Affiliates (or their respective successor entities) owns any real property within ten (10) miles of the RCID Properties.”

MayReasonRule

(1,511 posts)
14. States Have Varying Laws With Respect To "Rules Against Perpetuity"... This Sidesteps Those...
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:40 AM
Mar 2023
"Under the terms of the agreement, the district is prohibited from using the name “Disney” or any symbols associated with the theme park resort without the company’s permission, nor can it use the likeness of Mickey Mouse, other Disney characters or other intellectual property in any manner. The company can sue for damages for any violations, and the agreement is in effect until perpetuity, according to the declaration."

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/30/disney-ron-desantis-royal-lives-clause.html

This...
“Declaration shall continue in effect until 21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, King of England, living as of the date of this declaration,”
the document said. This kind of clause is most often used in the UK, typically when it comes to trusts, and provides a buffer against perpetuities.

“So, as long as one of those grandchildren makes it 80, this clause would be there for 100 years,”
explained Robert Lord, senior advisor of tax policy at progressive group Patriotic Millionaires.


"In a statement, Disney said all agreements were above board and took place in public."

All agreements signed between Disney and the District were appropriate, and were discussed and approved in open, noticed public forums in compliance with Florida’s Government in the Sunshine law,” the statement said.


ROFLMAO



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/30/disney-ron-desantis-florida-dont-say-gay

https://www.indiewire.com/2023/03/disney-world-ron-desantis-royal-lives-clause-1234824230/

https://wdwnt.com/2023/03/declaration-of-restrictive-covenants-in-effect-until-21-years-after-the-death-of-the-last-surviving-descendant-of-king-charles-iii/

swimboy

(7,295 posts)
18. To avoid a tripwire anti-perpetuity law
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:46 AM
Mar 2023

“[ . . . ] in setting the expiration terms of the agreement, Disney invoked an obscure property law known as Rule Against Perpetuities, setting the date for "twenty one (21) years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles IIII, King of England living as of the date of this Declaration."

Phoenix61

(17,243 posts)
11. I should have read the article. I didn't realize it was
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:30 AM
Mar 2023

different from another one I had read about this. DeStupid is delusional if he thinks the board had anything to do with the entertainment side of Disney.

MayReasonRule

(1,511 posts)
20. DeSantis Is A Delusional Y'all Qaeda Nat-C Republican Fascist Criminal
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:48 AM
Mar 2023

Defacto don't matter dejeure's "The Real Jake" a.k.a. "facts in evidence" don't matter "presumptive optics" are everything.

NickB79

(19,395 posts)
8. Disney should make him their next villain
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:23 AM
Mar 2023

A cruel, tiny ant who calls himself Dis Ant Is Da Boss, desperate to show the world he's a big man, who wears white boots and dreams of ruling the world.

onethatcares

(16,418 posts)
32. one change to your post
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 11:28 AM
Mar 2023

"a cruel tiny ant who calls himself "Pis Ant" is Da Boss"

No need to thank me............

Historic NY

(37,613 posts)
29. Guniness Brewery has a 9000 yrs lease for 45 pounds a yr.
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 11:12 AM
Mar 2023

Arthur Guinness, founder of Guinness, signed a 9,000 year lease at the St. James’s Gate Brewery in Dublin for £45 per year back in 1759

ArkansasDemocrat1

(1,813 posts)
38. Damn!
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 01:27 PM
Mar 2023

Up til about 1900 they were probably thinking that was a good deal, now it's like a check sent off to the nephew for his birthday. In 50 more years it'll be pocket change unless GB decides to love the Euro once more.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
36. Spectacle...
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 12:29 PM
Mar 2023

DeSantis is likely not doing any of this for actual policy effects. He doesn't really seem to care about actual policies. He is doing it for the spectacle of "looking tough". He wants to run for president under the auspices of "I'm the one who actually gets things done" to try to differentiate himself from Trump. Now, scratch the surface and you see that most of what he has proposed has been denied in court. He is pretty stupid policy wise, but again, not about policy... about image. When you ask the "base" what do they like about DeSantis, they will typically say, "he's fighting against the woke mob". When you ask them what he has actually accomplished, they can't tell you. They don't know and likely don't care. Same concept as when they said, "Trump keeps his promises" but couldn't tell you ANY policy that Trump actually instituted that aligned with any campaign promise.

DeSantis, in my opinion, will eventually decide not to run or he will lose the primary. He isn't really as adept a politician as people think. He just has an easily fooled base and a relatively docile and dumb population in Florida (no offense to any Florida Democrats), that put up with him.

It is MUCH harder to be a Democratic politician because while we can still "fanboy" at times, we actually expect our people to do what they say they will. We remember what our representatives said and we hold them accountable. Spectacle is not good enough for us. We want actual policy that will make our lives better.

Skittles

(155,090 posts)
49. he is constantly out-maneuvered
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 11:20 PM
Mar 2023

that's because he doesn't plan, he PERFORMS, and strictly for the disgusting MAGAt cult

he comes off as a what he is, a bully, a serious ASS CLOWN, to anyone with critical thinking skills

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