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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHistoric news - NYTimes reporting Grand Jury voted to FELONY indict trump!
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A dark day for America. But a shining light of justice
Silent3
(15,200 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)Ocelot II
(115,673 posts)but not that they've voted to indict (yet).
Whooops, they just reported the indictment. Woohoo!
wryter2000
(46,036 posts)announced a few minutes ago
wryter2000
(46,036 posts)N/T
Roland99
(53,342 posts)The unprecedented case against Trump will have wide-ranging implications.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news/the-unprecedented-case-against-trump-will-have-wide-ranging-implications
The felony indictment, filed under seal by the Manhattan district attorneys office, will likely be announced in the coming days. By then, prosecutors working for the district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg, will have asked Mr. Trump to surrender and to face arraignment on charges that remain unknown for now.
Heres what else you need to know:
Mr. Bragg and his lawyers will likely attempt to negotiate Mr. Trumps surrender. If he agrees, it will raise the prospect of a former president, with the Secret Service in tow, being photographed and fingerprinted in the bowels of a New York State courthouse.
The prosecutions star witness is Michael D. Cohen, Mr. Trumps former fixer who paid the $130,000 to keep Ms. Daniels quiet. Mr. Cohen has said that Mr. Trump directed him to buy Ms. Danielss silence, and that Mr. Trump and his family business, the Trump Organization, helped cover the whole thing up. The companys internal records falsely identified the reimbursements as legal expenses, which helped conceal the purpose of the payments.
Although the specific charges remain unknown, Mr. Braggs prosecutors have zeroed in on that hush money payment and the false records created by Mr. Trumps company. A conviction is not a sure thing: An attempt to combine a charge relating to the false records with an election violation relating to the payment to Ms. Daniels would be based on a legal theory that has yet to be evaluated by judges, raising the possibility that a court could throw out or limit the charges.
The vote to indict, the product of a nearly five-year investigation, kicks off a new and volatile phase in Mr. Trumps post-presidential life as he makes a third run for the White House. And it could throw the race for the Republican nomination which he leads in most polls into uncharted territory.
C_U_L8R
(44,997 posts)First of many indictments.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,666 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)honest.abe
(8,677 posts)Goodheart
(5,321 posts)A certain orange piece of shit said they dropped the case.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)jmowreader
(50,553 posts)Trump is one of those guys that if he walks into your office dripping wet and claims its raining, you go outside and look up. At this point in time I wouldnt trust him if he said he was Donald Trump.
blogslug
(37,999 posts)and then jail for donald for a thousand years
iemanja
(53,031 posts)dalton99a
(81,450 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,369 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Whaaaaaat? Can't be, the statute of limitations ran out! It will never happen! Should have been done 7 years ago!
Or, the slow wheels of justice did indeed turn!
Silent3
(15,200 posts)but that doesnt change my mind that it took too damned long.
The Unmitigated Gall
(3,803 posts)Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
spinbaby
(15,088 posts)Does he turn himself in?
Does he barricade himself in his tacky golf club?
Please, I want to see a low-speed white golf-cart chase.
ecstatic
(32,681 posts)Or does he have to decide if he agrees with the jury or not?
Takket
(21,558 posts)the trial will drag on probably for multiple years. by trial i mean all the motions leading up to the trial, and the trial, and the sentencing phases.
I hope the judge runs a tight ship and doesn't turn this into another OJ trial. we can't afford a lance Ito letting the defense run roughshod all over the justice system.
Thank you Mr. Bragg, next up Willis and Smith
Talitha
(6,582 posts)edbermac
(15,937 posts)Hell literally be frothing at the mouth.
Cha
(297,138 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,713 posts)person being elected of even serving while in prison.
Traildogbob
(8,713 posts)Does he stay in prison while commanding HIS generals?
LiberalArkie
(15,713 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)Being elected through some state won't let you vote. He may be probibited from leaving the state at some point which would be interesting politically speaking.
LiberalArkie
(15,713 posts)There has been no American President convicted or who has been incarcerated or served a sentence prior to their Presidential term. Felony charges or a criminal record often act as leverage for the Opposition. Stigmatization of felons complicates the process of establishing trust amongst people and also harms the public record.
A felony record is more of a political burden than a legal one the only major negative effect of having a record is that it may be used by your opposition. Alternatively, if your charges were bogus, it may end up galvanizing your base.
Historically there have been several people who have run for President with no legal issues:
1920 Socialist Party Leader Eugene V. Debs ran while in an Atlanta federal penitentiary for charges he gained advocating dodging the draft. He received 913,664 votes (3.4%)
1992 Lyndon LaRouche, a perennial presidential candidate became the second person to run for office from a prison cell. He garnered 22,863 votes (less than 0.1%) in his third of nine presidential runs.
2012 Keith Judd, another perennial presidential candidate, received 41% of the primary vote in West Virginia vs. an incumbent Barack Obama.
It should be noted that none of these candidates ever received any electoral votes.
spike jones
(1,678 posts)UTUSN
(70,681 posts)mvd
(65,173 posts)This surprised me in a great way after reading the GJ was going on a break. Now let this just be the beginning!
orleans
(34,049 posts)Upthevibe
(8,036 posts)thinkingagain
(906 posts)That means he can no longer vote or own guns right!
orangecrush
(19,532 posts)KETCHUP TSUNAMI!!!!