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WOW CNN commentators saying little or nothing there in indictment (Original Post) Just_Vote_Dem Apr 2023 OP
all of them? mucifer Apr 2023 #1
At least 2 n/t Just_Vote_Dem Apr 2023 #2
2 out of 3 or 2 out of 5 or 2 out of 2? mucifer Apr 2023 #10
Actually none of them are really positive on it Just_Vote_Dem Apr 2023 #13
Let Trump believe that. C_U_L8R Apr 2023 #3
Yep! n/t Just_Vote_Dem Apr 2023 #4
Fuck them Aviation Pro Apr 2023 #5
And the same ones who spent untold hours ExWhoDoesntCare Apr 2023 #21
They must not understand felony. The trial will expose it all. The real details did not Samrob Apr 2023 #6
Who in particular? Ocelot II Apr 2023 #7
Sorry, I'm not sure of all the names Just_Vote_Dem Apr 2023 #14
Tapper, Honig, and the FBI guy said it's going to be tough to turn misdemeanors Silent Type Apr 2023 #20
Well, you know what they say about opinions.... Ocelot II Apr 2023 #25
Why aren't you watching Rachel and colleagues on MSNBC???? a kennedy Apr 2023 #8
Thank you! Rachel is being her awesome self again tonight. Blaukraut Apr 2023 #15
Arrrgh THANK YOU!!!!! n/t Just_Vote_Dem Apr 2023 #16
IIRC, wasn't Van Jones among them feeling sorry for "grandpa" earlier today? hatrack Apr 2023 #9
Turned them off this afternoon mcar Apr 2023 #11
FAUX LITE chillfactor Apr 2023 #12
Didn't I just read somewhere that CNN's ratings have dropped like 40%? sinkingfeeling Apr 2023 #17
What a load. I wanted to puke. LakeArenal Apr 2023 #18
Yep, got sickening real quick n/t Just_Vote_Dem Apr 2023 #19
They are also giving him airtime while he's lying his ass off spanone Apr 2023 #22
Careful, or the resident CNN fluffer ExWhoDoesntCare Apr 2023 #23
You joined DU 5 days ago and you know SharonClark Apr 2023 #30
Trump & Republicans screamed "Lock Her Up!" when Hillary might have been Jarqui Apr 2023 #24
What does your reply have to do with the SharonClark Apr 2023 #31
There was not a lot in the original post Jarqui Apr 2023 #32
What does everyone expect??? CNN has new leadership. New CEO Christ Licht is a RWNJ Roland99 Apr 2023 #26
I guess your watching a different CNN than I am GuppyGal Apr 2023 #27
Apparently, Bragg didn't give away the real heart of it in this opening move. lindysalsagal Apr 2023 #28
CNN isn't much better than Fox these days Marius25 Apr 2023 #29

Just_Vote_Dem

(3,272 posts)
13. Actually none of them are really positive on it
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:18 PM
Apr 2023

Which means i'll be changing the channel soon

Aviation Pro

(14,332 posts)
5. Fuck them
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:14 PM
Apr 2023

These are the same motherfuckers who said Red Tsunami, who said recession, who said Motherfucker was unbeatable.

Again, fuck them.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
21. And the same ones who spent untold hours
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:33 PM
Apr 2023

Willfully peddling Whitewater, Troopergate, Filegate, Travelgate, the exaggerations about Gore sighing or his supposed exaggerations about his Senate record, all the lies about WMD in Iraq, warmongering coverage of the Iraq invasion, all the Swift Boat lies, every stupid accusation about the Obamas (tan suits! Dijon on a burger!), tea party astroturf lies, r lies about the ACA, Benghazi, buttery males, Clinton Cash, Clinton Foundation "improprieties," the whining of "economically anxious" white trash, empty podiums for a traitorous fat dirtbag--and MORE!

IOW, it's a day ending in y, and CNN is doing what they've been doing for the better part of 30 years now: Amplifying anything negative about Democrats that they can, and fluffing members of the traitor party.

Why expect anything different from them now?

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
6. They must not understand felony. The trial will expose it all. The real details did not
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:15 PM
Apr 2023

have to come out for the grand jury. Just enough to indicate that there was enough evidence to proceed to trial. Wait for it.

Silent Type

(9,510 posts)
20. Tapper, Honig, and the FBI guy said it's going to be tough to turn misdemeanors
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:33 PM
Apr 2023

into felonies. Bragg seems comfortable though.

Ocelot II

(124,819 posts)
25. Well, you know what they say about opinions....
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 10:09 PM
Apr 2023

The legal talking heads on MSNB seem quite a bit more optimistic. The case isn't a slam dunk because it raises some untested issues, but Andrew Weissman and Dan Horowitz seem pretty sanguine.

Blaukraut

(5,962 posts)
15. Thank you! Rachel is being her awesome self again tonight.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:19 PM
Apr 2023

Rachel reading transcripts out loud alone is worth the price of admission, imo.

hatrack

(62,517 posts)
9. IIRC, wasn't Van Jones among them feeling sorry for "grandpa" earlier today?
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:16 PM
Apr 2023

Piss on Tiger Beat on the Potomac from a considerable height.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
23. Careful, or the resident CNN fluffer
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:36 PM
Apr 2023

Will tsk-tsk you for having the audacity to criticize the almighty MSM.

SharonClark

(10,471 posts)
30. You joined DU 5 days ago and you know
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 11:15 PM
Apr 2023

there’s a “resident CNN fluffer” amid all the CNN hatred? Good to know.

Jarqui

(10,664 posts)
24. Trump & Republicans screamed "Lock Her Up!" when Hillary might have been
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:46 PM
Apr 2023

guilty of a classified docs misdemeanor. At the end, the FBI/DoJ felt she was not or should not be prosecuted based on how they had handled similar cases.

There have been ample examples of NY prosecuting these charges for lesser criminal acts like fraudulently pretending you have been vaccinated for Covid or using some else's driver's license to avoid legal problems.
https://www.justsecurity.org/85605/survey-of-past-new-york-felony-prosecutions-for-falsifying-business-records/

There are 34 felonies in this NY indictment. They start out as misdemeanors for falsifying business records. But with ties to NY State and Federal election crimes and tax crimes associated with those falsified business records, that elevates them to felonies => beyond the "Lock Her Up!" bar Republicans set in 2016.

If there is nothing to these charges, that is why the courts are there - to sort it out.
Trump is innocent until proven guilty.
So I do not get the big beef from the GOP on that.
A majority of a Grand Jury of 23 of Trump's peers decided the preponderance of the evidence support Trump's guilt 34 times. It is insulting to the integrity of those jurors to suggest those jurors were merely politically motivated.

Republicans were not howling too loudly when Michael Cohen and Allen Weisselberg were sent to prison for crimes just like these. What's up with that? Trump Org was convicted of 17 crimes. But to the Republicans, the ring leader who benefitted the most, shouldn't be held accountable - which is hypocritical BS when you look at what they put Hillary through.

One other thing many are not saying:
Bragg is not done.
He squeezed Weisselberg on Zurich Insurance fraud.
Weisselberg switched lawyers - he still needs a lawyer.
He is in a contagious prisoner section of Rikers, so he won't get Epsteined as easily, until April 19th.
After that, they can offer him a more secure situation to get him to flip instead of going back to prison for years for insurance fraud.

Another thing almost no one is saying.
This is an old case.
There will be an argument over the statute of limitations.
I think they currently have a defendable position but each day they didn't file the indictment, that statute of limitations predicament got worse. They probably HAD to file it now.

The DA's office is not allowed to chat with GA and DC to orchestrate which charges come first.
They're supposed to bring them when they're ready.

Trump could be convicted of all 34 felonies and because he's a 1st offender, etc, he could get off without serving any prison time If this case is the first to be sentenced, it could help the subsequent cases get harsher sentences. So that is one more reason to bring it.

SharonClark

(10,471 posts)
31. What does your reply have to do with the
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 11:20 PM
Apr 2023

original post regarding CNN?

You’ve obviously put a lot of thought into it, maybe you should create a new post.

Jarqui

(10,664 posts)
32. There was not a lot in the original post
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 11:45 PM
Apr 2023

It made this claim
"CNN commentators saying little or nothing there in indictment"

I think my response addresses that with some specific points and context of why they did what they did, etc.

It is such a broad statement, I addressed the broad criticisms of the indictment that I've heard today that seem to fall under their main statement.

They said "nothing there", I said there are 34 felonies there and provided how they were flipping the misdemeanors to felonies per Bragg and others.

They said "nothing there" I said "A majority of a Grand Jury of 23 of Trump's peers decided the preponderance of the evidence support Trump's guilt 34 times" which to me is something.

They said "nothing there" I pointed out Cohen & Weisselberg were sent to prison for these crimes or similar ones.

etc. Shouldn't have to go through my whole post.


lindysalsagal

(22,691 posts)
28. Apparently, Bragg didn't give away the real heart of it in this opening move.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 11:07 PM
Apr 2023

Remains to be seen how strong the case is.

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