Wed Apr 5, 2023, 09:01 PM
gldstwmn (4,575 posts)
Robert Kennedy Jr., a Noted Vaccine Skeptic, Files to Run for PresidentLast edited Fri Apr 7, 2023, 10:21 PM - Edit history (1)
While he has not yet announced his plans, he filed the federal paperwork for a campaign to run as a Democrat.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the political activist known most recently for his campaign to discredit coronavirus vaccines, filed paperwork on Wednesday to run for president as a Democrat, offering a potential long-shot challenge to President Biden. Mr. Kennedy, the son and namesake of Robert F. Kennedy, who was assassinated while running for president in 1968, has not made a formal announcement. However, he teased a run at a political gathering in New Hampshire last month, telling a crowd: “I’ve passed the biggest hurdle, which is, my wife has greenlighted it.” He has set up a website to solicit donations and volunteers for a potential run, and a tweet pinned to his Twitter account says he will run if “I can raise the money and mobilize enough people to win.” Mr. Kennedy, 69, was once a top environmental lawyer, but his interests veered away from the Democratic mainstream into conspiracy theories, for which he has earned the public rebuke of some members of his prominent family. A longtime vaccine skeptic, he linked childhood vaccinations to autism, a claim thoroughly rebuked by medical experts. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/05/us/politics/robert-kennedy-jr-presidential-run-2024.html
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gldstwmn | Apr 2023 | OP |
dchill | Apr 2023 | #1 | |
gldstwmn | Apr 2023 | #3 | |
Maru Kitteh | Apr 2023 | #8 | |
gldstwmn | Apr 2023 | #9 | |
JohnSJ | Apr 2023 | #2 | |
gldstwmn | Apr 2023 | #4 | |
JohnSJ | Apr 2023 | #6 | |
Cha | Apr 2023 | #31 | |
JohnSJ | Apr 2023 | #35 | |
Cha | Apr 2023 | #42 | |
JohnSJ | Apr 2023 | #46 | |
no_hypocrisy | Apr 2023 | #32 | |
brooklynite | Apr 2023 | #33 | |
JohnSJ | Apr 2023 | #36 | |
gldstwmn | Apr 2023 | #41 | |
brooklynite | Apr 2023 | #45 | |
gldstwmn | Apr 2023 | #47 | |
LetMyPeopleVote | Apr 2023 | #5 | |
gldstwmn | Apr 2023 | #22 | |
LetMyPeopleVote | Apr 2023 | #29 | |
Cha | Apr 2023 | #30 | |
JanLip | Apr 2023 | #38 | |
Cha | Apr 2023 | #39 | |
gldstwmn | Apr 2023 | #40 | |
Cha | Apr 2023 | #44 | |
gldstwmn | Apr 2023 | #49 | |
Cha | Apr 2023 | #51 | |
gldstwmn | Apr 2023 | #52 | |
LetMyPeopleVote | Apr 2023 | #56 | |
Freddie | Apr 2023 | #7 | |
Just A Box Of Rain | Apr 2023 | #10 | |
gldstwmn | Apr 2023 | #11 | |
Just A Box Of Rain | Apr 2023 | #12 | |
gldstwmn | Apr 2023 | #13 | |
Just A Box Of Rain | Apr 2023 | #14 | |
gldstwmn | Apr 2023 | #16 | |
Just A Box Of Rain | Apr 2023 | #18 | |
gldstwmn | Apr 2023 | #19 | |
Just A Box Of Rain | Apr 2023 | #24 | |
H2O Man | Apr 2023 | #20 | |
Just A Box Of Rain | Apr 2023 | #23 | |
Just A Box Of Rain | Apr 2023 | #26 | |
H2O Man | Apr 2023 | #27 | |
Just A Box Of Rain | Apr 2023 | #28 | |
Johonny | Apr 2023 | #15 | |
gldstwmn | Apr 2023 | #25 | |
Marius25 | Apr 2023 | #17 | |
gldstwmn | Apr 2023 | #21 | |
Demsrule86 | Apr 2023 | #53 | |
634-5789 | Apr 2023 | #34 | |
BootinUp | Apr 2023 | #37 | |
gldstwmn | Apr 2023 | #43 | |
BootinUp | Apr 2023 | #48 | |
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ChazII | Apr 2023 | #54 | |
LetMyPeopleVote | Apr 2023 | #55 |
Response to gldstwmn (Original post)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 09:04 PM
dchill (37,034 posts)
1. "...a potential long-shot challenge to President Biden."
Well someone's an optimist!
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Response to dchill (Reply #1)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 09:05 PM
gldstwmn (4,575 posts)
3. This is a problem. I cannot believe the family or the party has not tried to talk him out of this.
His name recognition alone will cause confusion and the uninformed will vote for him. Why the hell is he doing this?
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Response to gldstwmn (Reply #3)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 09:15 PM
Maru Kitteh (27,405 posts)
8. Why should we assume the family and the party has not done exactly that?
I'm betting both have.
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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #8)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 09:38 PM
gldstwmn (4,575 posts)
9. Maybe they should ask again.
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Response to gldstwmn (Original post)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 09:05 PM
JohnSJ (89,320 posts)
2. I suggest he run as a republican.
Response to JohnSJ (Reply #2)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 09:06 PM
gldstwmn (4,575 posts)
4. He is going to run as a Democrat. Worse, he can fundraise.
Response to gldstwmn (Reply #4)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 09:11 PM
JohnSJ (89,320 posts)
6. I seriously don't think he will get much support in the primaries. He is a conspiracy vaccine
nutcase
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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #6)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 01:53 AM
Cha (289,579 posts)
31. Not if Dems want to Beat & Keep
Fascism out Our WH.
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Response to Cha (Reply #31)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 08:47 AM
JohnSJ (89,320 posts)
35. Yes. It should be obvious, and this picture speaks a thousand words
Response to JohnSJ (Reply #35)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 02:19 PM
Cha (289,579 posts)
42. Wow.. not just with them.. smiling like
stupid jackoff.
TY for the link, John. ![]() |
Response to gldstwmn (Reply #4)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 06:39 AM
no_hypocrisy (43,812 posts)
32. OTOH, he might get some republican votes with his anti-vax positions.
In states with open primaries, that is.
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Response to gldstwmn (Reply #4)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 06:42 AM
brooklynite (89,835 posts)
33. On what basis do you assume he can fundraise?
Response to brooklynite (Reply #33)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 08:47 AM
JohnSJ (89,320 posts)
36. Exactly. His own family won't support him
Response to brooklynite (Reply #33)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 02:17 PM
gldstwmn (4,575 posts)
41. His last name is the most famous name in American politics, he's part of a dynasty
and considered by some to be American royalty. He can raise money.
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Response to gldstwmn (Reply #41)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 02:56 PM
brooklynite (89,835 posts)
45. Tell that to George P Bush....
(and regardless of what YOU think of the Bush's, they're every bit as much a political dynasty)
A family name might get your phone calls returned, but you'll still need a personal record and a rational campaign and policy plank. RFK Jr. will be 70 on election day, and has never held elected office or a significant Government position. Add to that his fringe positions on vaccines and a lot of donors will pass. And the people who consider the Kennedy's "American royalty" are rapidly aging out of the political equation. |
Response to brooklynite (Reply #45)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 06:29 PM
gldstwmn (4,575 posts)
47. Trump never held political office before he was elected. And that aging group who consider
consider the Kennedys royalty? They're Boomers and Gen X and together they make up the largest voting bloc in our electorate.
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Response to gldstwmn (Original post)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 09:08 PM
LetMyPeopleVote (136,542 posts)
5. LOL he and Marianne Williamson can debate each other
This run is another joke
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Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Reply #5)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 11:57 PM
gldstwmn (4,575 posts)
22. I wish people on here would stop disparaging
Marianne Williamson. She basically wants the same things most of us do. It's not a good look to keep bashing her.
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Response to gldstwmn (Reply #22)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 12:53 AM
LetMyPeopleVote (136,542 posts)
29. This lady is a not a real democrat and is NOT a serious candidate
This lady was NOT taken seriously in 2020 and is NOT a serious candidate this cycle
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Response to gldstwmn (Reply #22)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 01:33 AM
Cha (289,579 posts)
30. Marianne Williamson on fox with a hot omic...
Response to Cha (Reply #30)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 08:53 AM
JanLip (823 posts)
38. When people show you who they are believe them
Maya Angelou. One of my favorites
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Response to JanLip (Reply #38)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 02:15 PM
Cha (289,579 posts)
39. Yes, and I do.. TY for Maya, Jan. nt
Response to Cha (Reply #30)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 02:16 PM
gldstwmn (4,575 posts)
40. This would seem to prove my point.
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Response to gldstwmn (Reply #40)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 02:23 PM
Cha (289,579 posts)
44. Aww.. We Don't Like her. Too bad.
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Response to Cha (Reply #44)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 06:36 PM
gldstwmn (4,575 posts)
49. This right here is the reason why some people who might be inclined to vote Democratic
can't be bothered to vote at all. You can't tell people who may not believe in x, y or z that they're not a real Democrat or a good Democrat or Democrat enough. How many seats did we lose the House by? What is our majority in the Senate? By all means, lets keep telling people who have more in common with us than not that we don't like them, or they don't think like we do so they shouldn't be in our party to take a hike. It's working wonderfully for us so far.
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Response to gldstwmn (Reply #49)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 06:44 PM
Cha (289,579 posts)
51. Oh PULEASE.. We can't say who we
don't like out of FEAR? GMAB.
MW called us "godless: on fox Sewer.. so that's quite alright? We have to suck up her insults? Link to tweet |
Response to Cha (Reply #51)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 06:48 PM
gldstwmn (4,575 posts)
52. I never said you can't say who you are. I encouraged you to let others do the same.
Response to gldstwmn (Reply #22)
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 01:18 PM
LetMyPeopleVote (136,542 posts)
56. I do not see Williamson mentioned in this polling
Response to gldstwmn (Original post)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 09:13 PM
Freddie (8,991 posts)
7. He's a nutcase
He has loads of siblings and cousins, all of whom would be a better president than him.
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Response to gldstwmn (Original post)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 09:39 PM
Just A Box Of Rain (5,104 posts)
10. He will be in a crowded lane with Marianne Williamson.
Response to Just A Box Of Rain (Reply #10)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 09:51 PM
gldstwmn (4,575 posts)
11. He knows damn well not to primary an incumbent president, even if his uncle did do it
to President Carter in '80.
The coal and oil money will not want anything to do with him but there are plenty of others who will. |
Response to gldstwmn (Reply #11)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 09:53 PM
Just A Box Of Rain (5,104 posts)
12. ETA: My previous response no longer makes sense.
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Response to Just A Box Of Rain (Reply #12)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 10:21 PM
gldstwmn (4,575 posts)
13. Actually, I had to edit my post because I agree with him on many things.
I admire his environmental work but I cannot get on board with the anti vax views or the conspiracy theories.
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Response to gldstwmn (Reply #13)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 10:22 PM
Just A Box Of Rain (5,104 posts)
14. I figured that you admired his environmental work.
Went w/o saying.
What happened??? |
Response to Just A Box Of Rain (Reply #14)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 11:03 PM
gldstwmn (4,575 posts)
16. What happened? My initial reaction passed. I'm upset that he is doing this.
Last edited Thu Apr 6, 2023, 09:50 PM - Edit history (2) My most recent memory is of the anti vax views and didn't he endorse ivermectin? But occasionally I did listen to Ring of Fire. And I cannot discount his legal career. Many people could only dream of a career like that. He sued Monsanto and won. He was going to run, he was considered to be the front runner for Attorney General of the State of New York. In light of recent events I wonder how that would have played out had he been there now? He supported Gore for president and called W out on environmental issues for the duration of that shitty presidency. I cannot say that he has been a "bad Democrat" because he really hasn't been. It's just that with his family's legacy I think he has very high standards to meet and he is most certainly aware of that. For the life of me I do not understand why he feels the need to do this now. He cannot deny there would be a certain amount of nostalgia to his candidacy. He looks like his father at a certain age. Why jeopardize Biden's candidacy when our democracy is hanging by a thread? It's disappointing.
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Response to gldstwmn (Reply #16)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 11:11 PM
Just A Box Of Rain (5,104 posts)
18. When I was 10 I volunteered for RFK during the CA primary.
I mostly stuffed envelopes, but that was okay by me.
I got to see him speak in Watts. I had his poster on my wall. My mom waited until the next morning to tell me the news. She knew how badly I'd be gutted. She passed in 2022, but before she died she told me that breaking the news of RFK's murder to me was the hardest thing she ever had to do in her life. I'm tearing up now, just thinking about it. I'm sorry for his son. I hope he finds peace. He's done some wonderful things. |
Response to Just A Box Of Rain (Reply #18)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 11:29 PM
gldstwmn (4,575 posts)
19. That brings a tear to my Irish American eye
What a memory. I agree with you and understand what you're saying. I hope he finds peace too. Thank you for sharing that.
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Response to Just A Box Of Rain (Reply #18)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 11:35 PM
H2O Man (72,282 posts)
20. I still have
my 1964 tie clip that RFK handed out near here while running for Senate. And the magazine his campaign published for his presidential run, complete with an interview with Robert Jr.
I've been friends with Robert for about 35 years. He has assisted me on Native American burial protection cases, and on a Super Fund toxic industrial waste site case that went to federal court. He assisted my family in 1998, when a racist hate gang attacked my nephew, because they resented a high school scholar/athlete getting a lot of press attention. Like with all my friends, there are things that I disagree with Robert on. This is one of them. |
Response to H2O Man (Reply #20)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 12:09 AM
Just A Box Of Rain (5,104 posts)
23. It is good to remember the good things that people do.
None of us are perfect. The hurt that Robert has known must be considerable.
Thank you for the reminders. |
Response to H2O Man (Reply #20)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 12:21 AM
Just A Box Of Rain (5,104 posts)
26. Also, my wife and I have Dylan's Rolling Thunder Review playing on the box
Last edited Thu Apr 6, 2023, 02:34 AM - Edit history (1) and I thought of you.
Two people I’ve known played on “Hurricane.” Scarlett Rivera on violin and Ronee Blakley on vocals. As a friend of Rubin’s I figured you’d appreciate that bit of trivia. Cheers. |
Response to Just A Box Of Rain (Reply #26)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 12:40 AM
H2O Man (72,282 posts)
27. I do!
It's a great song. Lyrics by Jacques Levy, the poet at Colgate, music by Dylan. And Scarlett Rivera gave it such spirit.
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Response to H2O Man (Reply #27)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 12:46 AM
Just A Box Of Rain (5,104 posts)
28. Scarlett lives close by to me. Haven't seen her since the pandemic, but in the before times we'd see
her play around town.
Her contributions to Desire were incredible. It has always been among my favorite albums. |
Response to gldstwmn (Original post)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 10:38 PM
Johonny (19,514 posts)
15. He's toxic trash. The Democratic party should refuse to put him on any debate stage
He's not worth it and does not deserve a voice after spreading lies a bad as any GOPer.
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Response to Johonny (Reply #15)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 12:11 AM
gldstwmn (4,575 posts)
25. You will never see him disparage anyone
the way the MAGA cult does with their fake boogeymen and racism.
I have to believe he has his own reasons for doing this if he proceeds. He deserves to debate just as much as anyone else. In fact, he would do a far better job of it than many. |
Response to gldstwmn (Original post)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 11:09 PM
Marius25 (2,931 posts)
17. According to reporters, Steve Bannon encouraged him to run to split the Dem vote
Response to Marius25 (Reply #17)
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 11:39 PM
gldstwmn (4,575 posts)
21. I saw that report from Politico, I think?
I honestly don't believe he would run to split the vote. He's going to run to win. Does he for some reason think Joe isn't going to run again.
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Response to gldstwmn (Reply #21)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 07:07 PM
Demsrule86 (67,250 posts)
53. There is no other reason that he would run against an incumbent president...won't help him
though when we post numerous photos of him with his best buds...Bannon ET AL.
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Response to gldstwmn (Original post)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 07:08 AM
634-5789 (4,148 posts)
34. Good luck. My cat as a better chance than the non-vaccine candidate.
Response to gldstwmn (Original post)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 08:50 AM
BootinUp (45,007 posts)
37. Calling him a vaccine skeptic is an insult to skeptics.
The technically accurate terminology that applies to Kennedy is anti-vax loon.
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Response to BootinUp (Reply #37)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 02:20 PM
gldstwmn (4,575 posts)
43. I think you might find out that people outside of this website may not
frown upon his anti vax views as much as you think. It might be an issue for some but it's not going to be that high on the list for many.
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Response to gldstwmn (Reply #43)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 06:35 PM
BootinUp (45,007 posts)
48. Is that so? Maybe it depends
on the kind nuts we choose to associate with. I try my best to not put up with any anti-vaccine nutballs myself. As far as I know most adults in the US ended up getting vaccinated for Covid-19.
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Response to BootinUp (Reply #48)
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Response to gldstwmn (Original post)
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 07:52 PM
LetMyPeopleVote (136,542 posts)