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People have accused me of having trump Derangement Syndrome... (Original Post) albacore Apr 2023 OP
I am stealing this image for redistribution. The Polack MSgt Apr 2023 #1
There is no "stealing" Internet images..only what you called "redistribution". albacore Apr 2023 #3
As a Radio and Satellite tech in the USAF, I had access to the "Alternate Bench Stock". The Polack MSgt Apr 2023 #8
Hey, guys (or gals). This is normal in any cluster-f of humans. erronis Apr 2023 #11
It's not derangement... The Unmitigated Gall Apr 2023 #2
Once again, every one of their accusations is a confession JHB Apr 2023 #4
THIS is Trump Derangement Syndrome: Gaugamela Apr 2023 #5
+++ emulatorloo Apr 2023 #26
It's funny that they call it a "derangement" FakeNoose Apr 2023 #6
So in other words, being a rational human being who sees his crap for what it is. TigressDem Apr 2023 #7
Wow! A great list of reading/research material. Thanks, Tigress. erronis Apr 2023 #12
Yeah, there were a lot of laws passed in 2017 but the damage done ... TigressDem Apr 2023 #17
Brilliant! A thousand thanks, TigressDem! We will ALL need to use this post in the next 20 months! ancianita Apr 2023 #13
REALITY is NOT tRUMP's friend.... so we gotta USE IT. TigressDem Apr 2023 #18
ABSOLUTELY. Use it even when it's not solicited. ancianita Apr 2023 #23
It's like a waterfall of disinformation. Blech. TigressDem Apr 2023 #27
It's not even a waterfall. The 23% have dark money running this flood of shit over the 77% ancianita Apr 2023 #28
Color me totally deranged when it comes to Trump and the GOP! ananda Apr 2023 #9
Nah, to go bonkers when liars make the TRUTH against the law is actually normal and healthy. TigressDem Apr 2023 #20
Yikes! Rofl Joinfortmill Apr 2023 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author AllaN01Bear Apr 2023 #14
please just say insane or starting to go insane. hes always been stark raving nutz. AllaN01Bear Apr 2023 #15
I agree with the poster. republianmushroom Apr 2023 #16
Republicans never had an original thought Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2023 #19
I will go to my grave heckles65 Apr 2023 #21
I'm with you; TDS afflicts me as well. Pepsidog Apr 2023 #22
I always thought that it was telling that whenever TDS was mentioned LiberalLovinLug Apr 2023 #24
TDS should stand for Trump's Deranged Supporters. emulatorloo Apr 2023 #25

albacore

(2,398 posts)
3. There is no "stealing" Internet images..only what you called "redistribution".
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 10:54 AM
Apr 2023

If you were a MSgt, you know "alternate requisition", "midnight requisition", "tactically acquired" and the like.
In the Marines, we often used the acronym S.T.E.A.L.... Strategically Taking Equipment to Another Location.

The Polack MSgt

(13,186 posts)
8. As a Radio and Satellite tech in the USAF, I had access to the "Alternate Bench Stock".
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 11:37 AM
Apr 2023

Expedited requisition process was also a thing that happened.

erronis

(15,216 posts)
11. Hey, guys (or gals). This is normal in any cluster-f of humans.
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 12:19 PM
Apr 2023

Leave your cubicle for a 5 minute loo break and come back with a different (or none) chair.

The Unmitigated Gall

(3,797 posts)
2. It's not derangement...
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 10:44 AM
Apr 2023

It’s having common decency, respect for truth and a moral center.
Trump-humping pukes have none.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
4. Once again, every one of their accusations is a confession
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 10:59 AM
Apr 2023

The only real "derangement syndromes" are the ones they have: For Bush and Trump, and against the Clintons, Obamas, Pelosi, Biden, etc.

FakeNoose

(32,613 posts)
6. It's funny that they call it a "derangement"
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 11:27 AM
Apr 2023

... when reality it should be called "Trump Truth Syndrome."

Everyone who knows the truth about Chump feels the same way you do. In fact we all do.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
7. So in other words, being a rational human being who sees his crap for what it is.
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 11:34 AM
Apr 2023

BECAUSE the whole syndrome is based on the predicate that tRUMP actually HAS legitimate policy ideas that align with his actions.


NAME ONE, Esther.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome

The first use of the term Trump derangement syndrome may have been by Esther Goldberg in an August 2015 op-ed in The American Spectator; she applied the term to "Ruling Class Republicans" who are dismissive or contemptuous of Trump.

"Trump Derangement Syndrome" was the "inability to distinguish between legitimate policy differences and ... signs of psychic pathology" in his behavior.




BECAUSE if tRUMP HAS ANY LEGITIMATE POLICY IDEAS that align with his actual implementations of policy, I have yet to hear them.


HE SAID.... In 2016, Trump described himself as pro-life with exceptions for rape, incest, and circumstances endangering the life of the mother.

WHAT HE DID.... Stacked the SCOTUS and lower courts in order to overturn Roe V Wade and make ALL abortions illegal - including those which had been a result of rape, incest, and circumstances endangering the life of the mother.


WE DON'T OBJECT TO HAVING A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.

We object to having ONE policy for your mouth to get you elected AND a SECOND for your radical base that IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

WE POINT OUT THAT HIS WORDS AND ACTUAL POLICY ENACTED DO NOT MATCH and COMPLETELY disregard the CIVIL LIBERTIES of Americans.


HIS AMERICA FIRST policy is based on a 1940's rebellion against US involvement in WWII which IF we'd followed it, could have resulted in the TOTAL genocide of the Jewish people, whom Republicans SAY they support, but who they trash and demean constantly.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/trump-america-first/514037/

AMERICA FIRST only means WHITE PEOPLE.

Not Jews:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-photo-soros-nazi-bookkeeper/fact-check-photographshows-nazi-bookkeeper-notgeorge-soros-idUSKBN23P2TP

Not blacks
Not brown people

Asians ok, but only if they are here to do business


HIS LAWS gave MORE MONEY AND TAX BREAKS TO THE WEALTHY and has resulted in an economy where the bottom 50% STILL have less than 5% of the wealth in AMERICA and we added MORE to Billionaires pockets than ever before

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2020/10/24/these-10-billionaires-have-gained-the-most-money-since-trumps-2016-election/?sh=7578a0404b07


https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/535239-how-trump-fueled-economic-inequality-in-america/

https://inequality.org/research/trump-income-inequality/



https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WFRBSB50215

Bush Jr pushed the economy off the cliff and Obama pulled us out of a recession and started bringing some income equality back, tRUMP did make small progress for the bottom 50% but SO MUCH MORE went to the top AND Biden has moved the lower 50 percent up faster in 1st year than tRUMP did in all 4 years.



SO REALISTICALLY, we aren't deranged, we're pissed and this guy wants to steal elections and avoid paying his fair share of taxes and prevent people from voting for anyone but him. THAT is DERANGED. He lives in America, wants all the rights and freedoms, but also wants to be dictator and take away the rights and freedoms of others.

AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN WITHOUT A FIGHT.



erronis

(15,216 posts)
12. Wow! A great list of reading/research material. Thanks, Tigress.
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 12:22 PM
Apr 2023

I'll pull this into it's own little web window and start digging into these links. If you don't hear from me in a couple, send in the clean-up crew.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
17. Yeah, there were a lot of laws passed in 2017 but the damage done ...
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 01:04 PM
Apr 2023

AND what some don't understand is that if you listen to his words he contradicts himself constantly.

IF you have a VALID policy, it stays the same no matter who you are talking to, unless you are revising it in actuality.

SO if some bi-partisan agreement alters a final law it's the result of a compromise.

BUT if you tell your base A and the public B, but enact A which is NOT what you ran on, it's a lie.

PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

But you knew that.

Preaching to the choir, I know.

ancianita

(36,009 posts)
13. Brilliant! A thousand thanks, TigressDem! We will ALL need to use this post in the next 20 months!
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 12:23 PM
Apr 2023

You present a model of political armor.

We can win the election, but we've got use the reality of his record to win against their delusions.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
18. REALITY is NOT tRUMP's friend.... so we gotta USE IT.
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 01:07 PM
Apr 2023

MAGA man speaks with FORKED TONGUE.

LIKE A SNAKE his words are poison and are in direct opposition to his own previous statements.


WE NEED TO POST HIM actually objecting to his OWN policies.


THAT is deranged.


ancianita

(36,009 posts)
23. ABSOLUTELY. Use it even when it's not solicited.
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 01:51 PM
Apr 2023

He objected to his own policies because he blew with the conservative base and the Right's intelligentsia. Both have worked toward the solidifying of a christofascist nation with all the trappings of women's subservience:

from a critical New Republic blog
https://newrepublic.com/article/169050/masters-vance-weird-right-republicans

Perhaps the most pernicious element of right-wing weirdness occurs at the intersection of standard traditionalist opposition to equal gender roles and an online youth subculture that has sought to make women’s disempowerment trendy. The idea of the “trad wife”—women who embrace subservient roles as homemakers and mothers, eschewing political leadership and careers—stands, like many of the weird right’s shibboleths, at the crossroads of internet meme, sociological critique, and political program. Trad wives are a pastiche of the idyll of the 1950s housewife and the imagined premodern agrarian mother, realities that only fully existed in advertisements and storybooks. They usually espouse complete submissiveness to husbands and a totalizing dedication to raising children.

By removing women from the labor market and circumscribing women’s social roles, the movement offers the illusion of sanctuary from modern woes and economic demands. It goes beyond simply reacting to perceived leftist excesses and embraces a sociopolitical program that would, if enacted, essentially remove the ability of American women to determine the course of their own lives—making them, once again, primarily subservient to and dependent upon male breadwinners. Millions of Americans are stay-at-home parents; most would likely be ill suited to the trad wife’s world. The aesthetics of trad wives are intertwined with darker impulses on the activist right toward a state that legally mandates specific gender roles—a form of recontainment that traps women in marriages and bars them from basic autonomy and self-sufficiency.


Women’s and reproductive rights are areas where meme-infused weirdness and actual policy align to set the right against most American voters. When right-wing writers like National Review’s Nate Hochman argue that no-fault divorce was “a tragic mistake” (a view shared by numerous other far-right figures), he is not only embracing a position outside the bounds of conventional American life but one that is deeply politically unpopular, opposed by at least four-fifths of Americans. The activist right’s legal alternative is “covenant marriage,” which allows divorce only under extreme circumstances like felony conviction or child abuse. Covenant marriage has recently made its way into the Texas Republican Party’s official platform as a replacement for existing marriage law.

Trad wife aesthetics are partly a result of right-wing influencers’ embrace of traditionalist religious attitudes. The embrace of traditionalist Catholicism and the rise of integralists like Harvard Law School professor Adrian Vermeule—who espouses a quasi-theocracy that even the conservative stalwart George Will has said is “un-American”—are critical pieces of the aesthetic and moral revanchism now in vogue on the right.

The growing fascination with Catholicism—particularly sedevacantism, which denies the current pope’s legitimacy—is, according to one critic, indicative of the educated and activist right’s “admiration for the [European] aristocratic past” and a longing for a new elite to which it feels it belongs. This segment of the right has, both programmatically and aesthetically, lost interest in conserving that which is American and moved on to mine its influences from stranger sources. Constitutionalism, Enlightenment rationality, religious freedom, and republicanism are out. European aristocracy, crusading holy orders, and mysticism are in. Mr. West may still make the usual overtures to Americana in press releases, but the Knights Templar (so far as I know) never made it to Texas.

That idealization of the European right has led not just to the fetishization of historical monarchism—cheerled by figures like the reactionary thinker Curtis Yarvin—but to more immediate fascination with contemporary autocrats, especially Prime Minister Viktor Orbán of Hungary and President Vladimir Putin of Russia.

One such admirer is Nick Fuentes, a prominent activist among college Republicans and also a white supremacist and antisemite who has become cozy with some congressional Republicans. Fuentes has praised Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. “We continue to support czar Putin in the war effort,” Fuentes said, saying Putin would “liberate Ukraine from the Great Satan and from the evil empire in the world, which is the United States.” In this narrative, Putin’s invasion is a component of a broader war against American influence and democratic values—a goal shared by Orbán’s government, which has promoted “illiberal democracy,” decried “race-mixing,” crushed freedom of speech, and curtailed LGBTQ rights. Naturally, the Conservative Political Action Conference was held in Hungary earlier this year.

Among Americans more generally, the right-wing embrace of Putin is dismally unpopular: Just 6 percent U.S. adults have a positive opinion of the Russian president, the Pew Research Center found this year. Meanwhile, the “MAGACommunism” movement has combined American nationalism with praise for another authoritarian leader despised by most Americans, China’s Xi Jinping.

Alienating mainstream voters by embracing fringe values and off-putting aesthetics is not a new folly—on the left or the right. In the early twentieth century, French voters regularly elected left-leaning governments despite numerous crises that beset the nation. One socialist essayist, Charles Péguy, argued that the right was actually “far less conservative” than the left—while the right pushed radical transformation, reorganizing France around the Catholic Church and reestablishing a powerful monarchy, the left—in Péguy’s view—sought to preserve hard-fought but deeply held French values like the separation of church and state, equitable citizenship, and republican liberty.

In the U.S., the “cultural left” of the late twentieth century managed to alienate many voters through its pessimistic belief that America could not be reformed by material policy, only transformed through a shift in social consciousness. As the philosopher Richard Rorty wrote in Achieving Our Country, while a reformist left gained popularity with a multiracial, multiclass electoral coalition in the early twentieth century by painting an optimistic image of what America could be, the later—educated and mostly well-off—“cultural left” chose as its enemy “a mind-set rather than a set of economic arrangements,” removing itself from what voters actually cared about and instead defining itself by its cultural consumption and outlandish aesthetic preferences. The cultural left saw material political conditions as a downstream afterthought from culture and so tacitly abandoned both politics and culture—and got weird. The decades of backlash, from Richard Nixon to Ronald Reagan to George W. Bush, were inevitable.

While many Republicans are embracing the fringe cultural positions emerging from this radical and elite milieu, pushing the view that America is a degenerate society that cannot be saved, elements of the left may have learned their lesson ... some Democratic Socialists of America chapters have become more involved in recent unionization drives, fights for workers’ rights, and campaigns against monopolistic corporate power. It’s a focus not on posting but on materially supporting the working class—and embracing core American values to do it.

The right is learning the opposite lesson. Far-right YouTuber Paul Joseph Watson suggested in 2020 that the right is “the new punk rock.” But that may not be to the right wing’s electoral advantage. Subcultures, by their very nature, exclude or look down on the bulk of the public and tend not to win electoral power, a lesson the left learned the hard way. Far-right billionaires can pump money into New York film festivals and sceney parties, but in doing so, they are unlearning the language of American majoritarian values. Even as the left—in fits and starts—relearns normalcy, the right is abandoning it.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
27. It's like a waterfall of disinformation. Blech.
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 09:22 PM
Apr 2023

Thanks.

It's hard to read, but important to understand.

ancianita

(36,009 posts)
28. It's not even a waterfall. The 23% have dark money running this flood of shit over the 77%
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 09:35 PM
Apr 2023

of America. It's important to understand that they intend to BURY DEMOCRACY AND EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW. (caps for EMphasis, not yelling)

We need to fight everything about them from their lingo to their women control obsessions to their sexual, social, and economic criminality.

ananda

(28,854 posts)
9. Color me totally deranged when it comes to Trump and the GOP!
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 11:38 AM
Apr 2023

All of them totally piss me off and make me want to
spit crocodiles at them.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
20. Nah, to go bonkers when liars make the TRUTH against the law is actually normal and healthy.
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 01:13 PM
Apr 2023

WE feel the anger and channel it into action against the madness.

tRUMP and his ilk are attacking the LAW ITSELF like they attacked the Capitol.

Fighting back for our own survival is a human right and responsibility in America.

As long as you don't actually rip anyone's face off and shove it up their keister, you're doing ok.


WANTING TO is understandable.

As a DEM I still FEEL rage, I am just adult enough that I know it doesn't justify going and buying a gun and shooting random people.

It's called sanity, rational thought, restraint and being a mature person who values life even in times of unprecedented chaos.

Stay strong and know you are NOT deranged, because what you SEE and KNOW is true.

The bullshit they peddle has to go and understanding that is NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST any mental lack on your part.


Response to albacore (Original post)

heckles65

(548 posts)
21. I will go to my grave
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 01:40 PM
Apr 2023

astonished that 10% of voters in either election cast their votes for him. I thought he was full of s___ back in the nineties.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,168 posts)
24. I always thought that it was telling that whenever TDS was mentioned
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 01:59 PM
Apr 2023

I, and I would assume many others?, translate that naturally to mean - One who is deranged by Trump to the point you are a cult zombie who's brain is damaged and you can't even comprehend that he is actually stealing from, and taking advantage of you.

What does that tell you? You don't hear it much anymore from right wing pundits as it backfires when its used. Because most people would naturallly apply the "derangement" part not to those criticizing a lying, rude, narcissist. But those suckered in by him.

emulatorloo

(44,097 posts)
25. TDS should stand for Trump's Deranged Supporters.
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 02:48 PM
Apr 2023

Because Trump’s Deranged Supportersare the problem our democracy faces, not voters like you and me.

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