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cab67

(2,990 posts)
Thu Apr 20, 2023, 05:32 PM Apr 2023

If you're going to protest...

...avoid doing things that will alienate people and possibly end in tragedy.

Last night, a right-wing speaker with prominent anti-LGBTQ points of view gave a talk on campus. I didn't go - I had a long list of better things to do than listen to a bigoted loudmouth repeat what he's said hundreds of times on social media - but although I was at first happy to see a large crowd gathering to give him the welcome he deserved and loudly support LGBTQ rights, I was later disappointed in some of the actions taken by some of those who protested.

I don't like saying this. I thought about joining the protest. I was very much on their side. I would never have called for this speaker (or pretty much any speaker) to be banned, but showing him what our community thinks of his verbal myiasis was perfectly appropriate.

Except for two things.

First - one or more protesters dumped marbles in the stairwells where the presentation would happen. That was breathtakingly stupid. Someone could have gotten killed that way. I hope those who pulled this stunt are caught and prosecuted. I don’t care what message they were trying to convey.

I also later learned that the protesters blocked traffic on one or more streets.

I’ve said it before – blocking traffic is a seriously counterproductive way to protest.

Protests are intended not only to make a point, but to draw sympathy for a cause. Preventing people from picking up their kids at school, visiting a loved one in the hospital, getting to a job interview or court appearance on time, or any other reason for going from point A to point B doesn’t even remotely accomplish that. Instead, it frustrates a lot of people – most of whom, in this community at least, might actively support the protest’s rationale. Their reaction will be less “wow, these kids have a good point” and more “get off the road.”

It can also be dangerous. Emergency vehicles might be blocked. There are lots of semis that whip through a stretch of interstate passing through town, and they can’t stop on a dime - especially if the protest happens at night, when visibility is limited. This is especially true if law enforcement isn't told of the blockage in advance so traffic can be re-routed.

(This happened in our community in 2020, when part of an otherwise peaceful BLM protest decided to block the interstate after dark. Police ended up firing tear gas into the crowd - not because authorities wanted it silenced, but because it wouldn't clear out from the freeway. The crowd had created a hazard that could have ended very badly. I'm still not sure how I feel about the tear gas, but I can understand why the decision to deploy it was made.)

Seriously - I, for one, don’t want to be responsible for someone’s death because an ambulance couldn’t get through. And had that happened, the reason for the protest would have been all but forgotten.

I get it. Protests are intended to stop business as usual. But blocking traffic is not a good way to accomplish that. And before someone points to the roads blocked during the Civil Rights era – those really aren’t the same thing. They were targeted against communities with Jim Crow laws. If lives were interrupted, it was for the people who needed a little interference in their lives. These protests were less likely to antagonize sympathizers.

People have actually been more than inconvenienced by this sort of thing. Someone I know was denied a job because the off-ramp to the airport was blockaded, making her miss her flight. Another highway blockade in town a few years ago kept people from getting to the hospital to visit a gravely ill relative who, for all they knew, was about to die. Fortunately, they managed to get to the hospital and meet with their relative, who I don't think ended up dying (though I could be misremembering that) - but the incident became front-and-center when the protest was reported in local news media. And you know what? No one remembered the reason for these protest. They only knew that a job opportunity was lost or that someone could have been prevented from saying a last goodbye.

Anyway – the protest itself was a good idea, but it could have been handled more strategically. There weren't any unintended tragedies, but it could have ended very badly.

My thoughts. And they’re worth every penny you paid to read them.

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cab67

(2,990 posts)
3. not really relevant.
Thu Apr 20, 2023, 07:22 PM
Apr 2023

We're not talking about keeping thugs from roughing up protesters or making mass arrests. We're talking about keeping sympathetic people from keeping commitments. We're talking about creating a situation where innocent people might be maimed or killed.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
4. So, we have to wait for the security operatives to snatch people out of their homes?
Thu Apr 20, 2023, 07:29 PM
Apr 2023

Protest, by its very nature, is going to upset someone.

brooklynite

(94,360 posts)
7. So, protests that impact ordinary citizens are okay as long as WE agree with the issue...
Thu Apr 20, 2023, 07:48 PM
Apr 2023

If Ammon Bundy and his sovereign citizens were blocking a public road, I doubt anyone here would be as understanding.

cab67

(2,990 posts)
9. Not even close to what I said.
Thu Apr 20, 2023, 08:19 PM
Apr 2023

What I described was a highly ineffective form of protest that alienates more than it influences. It can also result in a fatality.

My point really was just as simple as that.

At no point did I say we shouldn't stop fascism.

I mean, have you ever seen news reports about these blockades? They usually highlight a fire truck that couldn't get through, or a family who couldn't get to the hospital. The cause of the protest might be mentioned in passing at best. All people remember is the fire truck or the family.

Celerity

(43,122 posts)
5. It is relevant to the potential flow of events that are transpiring at a multiplicity of levels,
Thu Apr 20, 2023, 07:31 PM
Apr 2023

both macro and micro, across the nation's tapestry.

I did not intend it as a post that was self-limited to the more narrowly tailored subject(s) you raised.

We're talking about creating a situation where innocent people might be maimed or killed.


That is what I too am talking about, just on a bigger canvas, a broader arena both in scope and in size.

cab67

(2,990 posts)
11. to me -
Thu Apr 20, 2023, 08:40 PM
Apr 2023

it looked less like a broader perspective and more as a completely different set of circumstances. We all want to keep people from being persecuted. But we also want to keep people from getting run over by trucks.

cab67

(2,990 posts)
10. It's not supposed to make people dead.
Thu Apr 20, 2023, 08:21 PM
Apr 2023

That could easily have happened.

I'm not talking about making people late for dinner. I'm talking about making people lose their jobs because they couldn't get to work. I'm talking about people unable to reach a hospital before their loved one dies. I'm talking about stranding kids at school when mom and/or dad couldn't get there to pick them up, or people suffering legal expenses because they missed a court appearance.

And in many cases, such a this one, those being made uncomfortable are allies. Not too bright to antagonize an ally.

There are ways to make people uncomfortable that don't prevent fire and medical services from reaching an emergency. And that's actually happened. (The most prominent examples involve environmental activists in the UK. Again - I agree very much with what they want accomplished, but if someone needs an ambulance, the ambulance has to get through.)

These also don't involve putting marbles on stairs, which could have caused an innocent person not involved in the event to fall and break their neck. Had that been me, you can bet everything you own the scumbag who laid down the marbles would end up paying my wife a pension and for my daughter's college education.

And like I said, people stuck behind protests don't become more aware of a social problem. They grow annoyed at the people standing in their way. Those stuck in traffic are more likely to turn away from your message than listen. Blocking traffic is as useless as it is potentially dangerous.

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