Wed May 3, 2023, 04:33 AM
GPV (72,324 posts)
"New documents show how Sandra Day O'Connor helped George W. Bush win the 2000 election"CNN — Justice Sandra Day O’Connor provided the early framework that steered the outcome in the dispute over the 2000 presidential election and ensured George W. Bush would win the White House over Al Gore, Supreme Court documents released on Tuesday show. Memos found in the newly opened files of the late Justice John Paul Stevens offer a first-ever view of the behind-the-scenes negotiations on Bush v. Gore at the court. They also demonstrate the tension among the nine justices being asked to decide a presidential election on short deadlines. The documents opened at the Library of Congress help reveal how the now-retired O’Connor, the first woman on the high court and a justice steeped in politics from her early days in the Arizona legislature, partnered with Justice Anthony Kennedy, effectively squeezing out an argument advanced by then-Chief Justice William Rehnquist. The strong hand of O’Connor, who was at the ideological center of the court in this era, is not wholly surprising. O’Connor was also known for trying to get out ahead of deliberations, and her four-page memo was circulated to colleagues even before oral arguments. Her move may have guaranteed that she and Kennedy had the greatest influence on the final “per curiam” opinion that spoke for a five-justice majority. That final 5-4 Bush v. Gore decision stopped county recounts for Florida’s decisive presidential electors and gave then-Texas Gov. Bush the victory over then-Vice President Gore. The five conservative justices (O’Connor, Kennedy, Rehnquist, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas) sided with Bush. The four liberal justices (Stevens, with David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer) aligned with Gore and dissented angrily. https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/02/politics/bush-gore-oconnor-supreme-court-2000/index.html
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GPV | May 2023 | OP |
Boomerproud | May 2023 | #1 | |
GPV | May 2023 | #3 | |
Buns_of_Fire | May 2023 | #2 | |
GPV | May 2023 | #4 | |
jaxexpat | May 2023 | #9 | |
moniss | May 2023 | #7 | |
agingdem | May 2023 | #8 | |
jaxexpat | May 2023 | #10 | |
chia | May 2023 | #13 | |
LisaM | May 2023 | #5 | |
GPV | May 2023 | #6 | |
bedazzled | May 2023 | #11 | |
Roy Rolling | May 2023 | #12 | |
NNadir | May 2023 | #14 | |
Mr. Sparkle | May 2023 | #15 | |
GreenWave | May 2023 | #16 | |
mopinko | May 2023 | #19 | |
uponit7771 | May 2023 | #20 | |
JHB | May 2023 | #17 | |
mopinko | May 2023 | #18 |
Response to GPV (Original post)
Wed May 3, 2023, 04:43 AM
Boomerproud (7,416 posts)
1. This confirms what I've been told and believed for 23 years.
If I didn't have to control my emotions I would be very angry right now but I have to walk into work like I know nothing.
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Response to Boomerproud (Reply #1)
Wed May 3, 2023, 04:47 AM
GPV (72,324 posts)
3. I've got a couple hours to cool down. The only silver lining from that fateful decision was we
got DU out of it.
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Response to GPV (Original post)
Wed May 3, 2023, 04:46 AM
Buns_of_Fire (16,703 posts)
2. IIRC, they also took pains to state that their decision
was NOT to be used as a precedent. Not that the current court is all that concerned with precedents in the first place (unless Alito has something from Hammurabi's Code that he wants to toss in).
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Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #2)
Wed May 3, 2023, 04:49 AM
GPV (72,324 posts)
4. The current court??? Ppphhhhbbbttttt! Most of them care only about the green.
Response to GPV (Reply #4)
Wed May 3, 2023, 06:11 AM
jaxexpat (5,997 posts)
9. The crew of six. They've overdosed on hubris and Alito.
Blinded by Thomas' insufferable excesses, they've lost sight to the extent they can't even see how "green laden" they too have become. Their intellectual acumen withdrawn in fear of exposure, their autonomic functions dominate, all solely focused on placating the worst nature of the worst of them.
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Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #2)
Wed May 3, 2023, 05:29 AM
moniss (2,374 posts)
7. You are correct
and they have used it for precedent ever since. They shouldn't have taken the case to begin with.
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Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #2)
Wed May 3, 2023, 06:03 AM
agingdem (7,118 posts)
8. Trump knew months before the 2020 election he was going to lose...
his callous disregard for human life: his monstrously botched pandemic response, 300,000 covid deaths..and Trump chaos fatigue....so he and his enablers set about "fixing" the election..Bill Barr was publicly questioning the validity of voting by mail, Louis DeJoy was slowing the mail, removing mailboxes and trashing mail sorting apparatus, and Trump was "warning" his rally goers the only way he could lose is if Biden rigged the election..Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, and Rudy Giuliani knew early election night results would temporarily favor Trump and they told him to to declare victory and demand the vote count stop, confident a Biden challenge would go to the Trump's Supreme Court...and because of Bush v Gore, the Court would throw the election to Trump...
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Response to agingdem (Reply #8)
Wed May 3, 2023, 06:15 AM
jaxexpat (5,997 posts)
10. I think you have it in a nutshell, there, agingdem.
Stupidly simple, really, it's embarrassing for those susceptible to humiliation. Unfortunately, so few of them are.
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Response to GPV (Original post)
Wed May 3, 2023, 04:52 AM
LisaM (27,495 posts)
5. Every SCOTUS disaster since has stemmed from that decision.
That includes outcomes that led directly to Trump's election (dismantling the VRA and Citizens United).
Sandra Day O'Connor was seen the night of the election saying that a potential Gore victory would be "terrible", because she wanted to retire. She was one of at least three conservative judges who should have recused themselves because of conflicts of interest. |
Response to LisaM (Reply #5)
Wed May 3, 2023, 04:53 AM
GPV (72,324 posts)
6. It takes integrity to recuse oneself.
Response to GPV (Original post)
Wed May 3, 2023, 06:19 AM
bedazzled (1,619 posts)
11. Had to sit through a video she did about the wonders of American Justice
When I did jury duty in Palm Beach County a few years ago. Made me want to hurl. She should rot in hell.
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Response to GPV (Original post)
Wed May 3, 2023, 06:29 AM
Roy Rolling (6,549 posts)
12. The Brooks Brothers Riots
Look it up. Fake protests, paid Republican employee protestors, fake news.
Republicans are a propaganda party disguised as a legitimate representative of their constituents. |
Response to GPV (Original post)
Wed May 3, 2023, 06:39 AM
NNadir (32,390 posts)
14. And that began the process of delegitimizing the court, putting thugs like Grand Inquisitor Alito...
...in place, resulting in the defacto rejection of the Constitutional prohibition of a State religion.
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Response to GPV (Original post)
Wed May 3, 2023, 06:40 AM
Mr. Sparkle (2,835 posts)
15. A little unnoticed side effect of this decision, it allowed the conservative justices to maintain
the majority on the court, for at least the next 2 decades.
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Response to GPV (Original post)
Wed May 3, 2023, 06:41 AM
GreenWave (4,815 posts)
16. What we need to know are the massive voter purges.
They did not just happen in Florida. Were they designed to favor the GOP?
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Response to GreenWave (Reply #16)
Wed May 3, 2023, 08:00 AM
mopinko (68,427 posts)
19. absolutely. another line of attack gore left on the table.
Response to GreenWave (Reply #16)
Wed May 3, 2023, 09:39 AM
uponit7771 (89,624 posts)
20. THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾
Response to GPV (Original post)
Wed May 3, 2023, 06:45 AM
JHB (36,932 posts)
17. If you haven't already, you can add "judicial activism" to the list...
... of "every accusation is a confession."
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Response to GPV (Original post)
Wed May 3, 2023, 08:00 AM
mopinko (68,427 posts)
18. i disagree w this take. she headed off an even worse ruling by rehnquist.
he was ready to go full bore independent state legislator theory. if that had happened, 2020 could have come out differently.
gore’s case was flawed, it was known at the time. his cherry picking of dem counties, instead of asking for a statewide recount was the wedge they needed. and a statewide recount would likely have given it to him. what she did here was her s.o.p. she was pivotal, and she knew it, and she worked it. this take seems to lay the whole mess on o’connor, and let the boys off the hook. quelle surprise. |