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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPicture the person(s) you love most in the world.
Picture them being executed, on their property, by Chinese snipers.
Now, picture those assassins desecrating their corpses and broadcasting video of the crime.
"Have a nice day, buddy."
lunatica
(53,410 posts)War itself is an obscenity so why is this somehow different?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I remember how much love we got at the time.
VioletLake
(1,408 posts)with a certain amount of pride.
JCMach1
(27,544 posts)and the building explodes around them as a plane crashes into it.
At least the deceased fighters had agreed to fight and possibly die for their cause.
Unfortunately, war makes barbarians of us all.
The soldiers should be punished, but we also have to remember that as well.
VioletLake
(1,408 posts)How convenient for the warmongers. Carry on.
Show me proof that the victims were fighters and not executed for "sport" like so many others have been.
JCMach1
(27,544 posts)and the soldiers should be punished (most likely) after a court martial.
War is a barbaric practice... a practice that in this case included dropping some very young people into a war zone where they made some really bad choices...
Choices which we also don' t have full details about...
I was unaware that war had been declared.
Technically, I believe, we're talking about "military engagements". But your apparent critique stands.
JCMach1
(27,544 posts)All of this (of course) begs the question are we not out of Afghanistan yet...?
I just remember back to Lyyndie England and what happened with Abu Ghraib...
These are very young people. Is this a complete pattern of abuse where all are guilty? Or, are there superiors who really need to metaphorically hang for this since they encouraged the behavior? I don't think we know any of that yet.
VioletLake
(1,408 posts)and it has a major "racial" component. I put the word "race" in quotes because it is a nonsense word that should be replaced by "breed".
VioletLake
(1,408 posts)In this case there is also religious and cultural/nationalist chauvinism.
obamanut2012
(25,905 posts)Or even Iraq? Nothing.
The murders on 9/11 have nothing to do with the millions killed in Afghanistan and Iraq.
RC
(25,592 posts)They did not start it, we did. They just brought it home to us.
What did we do about it? We invaded a innocent country and murdered upwards of a million people. Saddam did not suffer terrorists in his country. Now Iraq is a terrorist haven.
The war against terrorism. The self perpetuating war. They more WE kill, the more terrorists we make as an excuse for us to kill again.
The Wielding Truth
(11,411 posts)The behavior of these men is an act of brutality and is as wrong as torture.Our pain or hurt from 9/11 is ours to handle not ours to use as an excuse for
abuse.
VioletLake
(1,408 posts)How long can it be milked?
kctim
(3,575 posts)Holy cow, I had not heard about that evidence. Certainly changes things.
Pissing on a corpse is dumb, executing somebody is a crime. Will definetely try to stay up to date on this one now.
VioletLake
(1,408 posts)"Show me proof that the victims were fighters and not executed for "sport" like so many others have been."
Pissing on a corpse is dumb? Callous understatement noted.
kctim
(3,575 posts)that says they were executed? In that case, seeing how they are in combat, the burden of proof is on you to provide proof that they were executed. Until then, they are casualties of war.
A corpse has no idea it is being pissed on nor is it harmed by being pissed on. Callous? Yes, but many Christians accuse me of that on a daily basis, so no biggie.
VioletLake
(1,408 posts)American snipers killed them and pissed on their corpses?
Because they live in a "war" zone?
because nobody has provided proof that they were not enemy combatants.
When they do, which is what I thought you were saying, the 'executed' claim will have merit. Until then, it is nothing but an opinion.
VioletLake
(1,408 posts)I read an article recently that described horrific incidents including a man that had his face skinned off, and another that had his brain cut out.
An army of Dexters.
polly7
(20,582 posts)'trophies' were being photographed by troops and posted with tags ..... really disgusting tags. Some of those body parts were claimed to have come from children. The sites were eventually scrubbed, but I'll never forget it as long as I live. This pissing on corpses is nothing new in the line of atrocities. These things were happening from the very start in Iraq.
kctim
(3,575 posts)I am not defending horrific incidents that clearly scream for psychiatric evaluations, I am disputing your claim that everybody is being executed for no reason.
VioletLake
(1,408 posts)but it's close enough, kctim.
VioletLake
(1,408 posts)were combatants and not assassinated, like the victims of Jeremy Morlock's death squad.
The callous disregard for human life is the same in both cases. Psychopaths all around...
treestar
(82,383 posts)And not everyone is a person loved most in the world by some other person.
But who is approving of what here to bring this on?
VioletLake
(1,408 posts)At least for people who experience the full range.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)VioletLake
(1,408 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)I would hate like there's no tomorrow.
VioletLake
(1,408 posts)I posted it to help people understand that the desecration of a corpse is a big deal. Especially in the context in which it happened.
There is no dichotomy between caring about the killing & caring about the desecration. It's one on top of the other.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I can't imagine that anyone who really did what you asked and closed their eyes to imagine it, wouldn't feel the same.