Why The Durham Report Wasn't Reported As A Huge Failure

[gab13by13]

Starting with the Mueller report; it was hijacked by AG Barr, misrepresented by Barr, and never fully released. How can anyone, including the MSM, claim that the investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 election was not warranted when Mueller indicted or got guilty pleas from 34 people and 3 Russian companies, including 13 Russian nationals and 12 Russian GRU officers?

There wasn't a reason for Bill Barr to appoint John Durham, the IG had already investigated the Russia investigation and found that it was warranted. The only reason that Bill Barr appointed John Durham was for political talking points. Barr even traveled with Durham to Europe during his investigation and instead of finding dirt on the FBI found dirt on Trump from the Italian government. Barr then improperly gave the Italian case to Durham where it was deep sixed.

The MSM is right wing so it is going to use the Durham investigation for purely political propaganda.

WHY AREN'T DEMOCRATS YELLING FOR AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE DURHAM INVESTIGATION/REPORT? DAMN STRAIGHT DEMOCRATS, SUBPOENA JOHN DURHAM AND ASK HIM ABOUT THE ITALIAN EVIDENCE ON TRUMP, ASK BARR WHY HE GAVE THE CASE TO DURHAM?

THE MSM IS MISREPRESENTING THE DURHAM REPORT BECAUSE DEMOCRATS ARE LETTING THEM DO IT,

THE DURHAM INVESTIGATION/REPORT NEEDS INVESTIGATED. THE INVESTIGATION OF THE INVESTIGATION NEEDS INVESTIGATED.

OWN IT DEMOCRATS, DON'T LET GYM JORDAN GAS LIGHT WHAT HAPPENED.

[elias7]

1. Republicans wake up in the morning thinking of ways to f*ck Democrats

Dems wake up thinking of ways to undo Republican BS and help their fellow citizens

I would think at this point that Dems should be clever and resourceful enough to have an attack wing to aggressively combat this crap on social media

[c-rational]

34. +1 Agreed.

[Caliman73]

52. Which social media?

Twitter? Controlled by Elon Musk and given over to right wing lunatics, while calling NPR "Government Controlled Media"?

Facebook? Controlled by Zuckerberg, which used analytics to allow microtargeting of voters?

Google? While not as obvious as the other two, still wanting to squeeze the maximum profit without taxation?

I agree that Democrats should develop a strategy of having staff to try to get a message out, but part of the problem is that Conservatives own a sizable chunk of the media, including Social Media, which has been aligning more with the status quo than the messaging that Democrats espouse.

[CousinIT]

2. The media is largely owned and controlled by the same class of billionaires that own & control...

..Republicans.

[gab13by13]

3. Absolutely

look at the shareholders; Vanguard, BlackRock.

I posted this a long time ago;

Fox says that Obama beats his wife
CNN says it needs more information
MSNBC says no he doesn't

All 3 networks are still talking about Obama beating his wife.

[GreenWave]

39. Exactamundo!

It will be a cold day in Hades before they all behave like newsfolks rather than subservient puppets.

[Walleye]

4. And Democrats want to blame it on ourselves because we didn't do enough to stop them?

Is this the way it’s gonna go, Republicans fuck up and Democrats take the blame for not stopping them.

[Scrivener7]

5. Are you happy with the way the Durham report is being presented?

Do you think it is truthful?

Is there a problem with asking that we make some noise about the fact that it isn't?

If there is a problem with that, what alternative actions can we take, other than sitting on our thumbs, to stop the current spin that it was a legitimate investigation and the FBI was at fault?

[Walleye]

9. No I didn't mean it that way, I think we should do everything we can. But it's not our fault dammit

And I don’t think introspection is necessarily a bad thing, but we aren’t responsible for all these evil right wing plots. And we certainly have been betrayed by the news media on this, and the “border situation”. I just don’t know what else we can do about it, we beat them in elections, they get arrested, they just won’t shut up and go away.

[Scrivener7]

13. But we are responsible to react to them. As loudly as we can. And make sure

the truth is known.

And, yes. I DO blame Democrats for some of this. We NEVER have a good response when these things happen.

RepubliQans are ruining our country and they are, essentially, using nothing more than spin. They got us into the Iraq war, they gave us tfg, they have taken all the money from the rest of us and given it to the billionaires. And they did it just by spinning their stories of bullshit and unicorns and Jesus and liberteh.

We KNOW this. Or we ought to by now. It's been decades. And we HAVE NOT created an effective response to it. And frankly, a much more effective response than what we generally do now would not be all that hard to do. Any decent PR firm could improve our responses to their lies A LOT!

This is my greatest frustration with Democrats. I take a lot of heat for saying it here, but WE SUCK AT MESSAGING. And that is costing us our country.

[Walleye]

26. We have to present a united front if we're going to change this stuff,not arguing among ourselves

Unity is power. That’s what we can’t seem to achieve as Democrats.

[Scrivener7]

28. A good PR firm would help a lot.

If the Kardashians can do it, so can we.

Really, I think this all started for the R's with Frank Lutz. He was a genius at coining phrases. He would coin a phrase and the republiQans were astonished at how a few words could turn an issue to their favor and gain them support.

They then expanded on that. They decided the issues they wanted to create. And then they coined their phrases to create their narrative from innuendo and lies, or basically nothing. For example, the Iraq war: "you don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." That was their war cry. If you pick it apart, you can see it means, "we have no proof of nuclear weapons, but you should be terrified of their nuclear weapons." But it turned a lot of people to support an entirely bogus war whose aim was to enrich the top republiQans.

We just need our own version of Frank Lutz. To be used for good and not evil.

[Walleye]

29. You're right about that man I blame him for a lot of stuff

His book is called “Words that Work”. Never bother with words to tell the truth to Republicans. We used to call that stuff propaganda, prisoners in Korea were tortured for not saying disparaging things about the United States that Republican elected officials now say openly. I think even Frank Luntz looks a little sick about what he’s done to this country. I don’t know how we change the minds of people who have been brought up to believe that the Democratic Party is the great Satan

[Scrivener7]

31. I agree that he isn't happy about what he has done. I think he may have said as much

a while back.

But the time is past for us blaming them or blaming him. Because we have known this for decades. At a certain point, our failure to counteract their PR (and that's all it is) with our own PR becomes our own fault.

And it IS all just PR.

[Walleye]

33. So who is letting us down?

[Scrivener7]

47. I think it is the Democratic Committee. I'm not sure who else would be

central enough to address it.

What do you think?

[gab13by13]

14. How about Dick Durbin

investigate the Durham probe? Gym Jordan wants to subpoena Durham for crying out loud. Someone needs to investigate Italian Gate and the only people I see who would be willing are Democrats.

How many voters will Magats bring over because of this mischaracterization of the Durham report? How do you suggest that Democrats counter what they are doing? Sitting back and blaming the MSM isn't going to sway any voters.

[Walleye]

25. What do you suggest? nothing we are doing seems to be working against these assholes

They’ve investigated the shit out of Trump found him guilty of all kinds of wrongdoing, it doesn’t do any good. John Wayne in “The Searchers” :
“Nothing you can do or say will change my mind”. This is what we are up against

[gab13by13]

12. So then you are against

investigating Italian Gate? You are against investigating why Barr gave Italian Gate to Durham when that wasn't part of his duties?

You are against subpoenaing Durham to make him explain what his conclusions were regarding Italian Gate?

John Durham spent 4 years on a political witch hunt costing millions of taxpayer dollars, damn straight Democrats need to be outraged.

Don't you get tired of seeing headlines all over the MSM blasting the FBI's handling of the Russia investigation?

Isn't this part of the problem, not fighting back against political propaganda?

Nicolle Wallace did an excellent job yesterday showing Democrats how to fight back against this propaganda.

[Walleye]

27. Go ahead investigate, find them guilty, Republicans will still vote for them. That's the problem

[jaxexpat]

32. That's the way it'll be, except maybe worse, until Democrats have a large enough majority.

Large enough to bring back the fairness doctrine along with "truth in advertising/broadcasting" legislation and maybe actual "equal time" regulations with teeth and penalty for non-compliance.

Biden's in the business of defunding the oligarchy before it's too late, a time when we're left with only legislators who won't even acknowledge the existence of a government. When he has succeeded to a certain predictable extent, we can own the legislative branch and clean up the judicial branch.

I've been told "it's a process". So is composting! GOTV

[Walleye]

35. That is the only answer, for Democrats to have a large majority in Congress. I'm counting on GenZ

[jaxexpat]

42. Right, we must be sure to not throw sand in their faces with our wisdom and experience.

[Walleye]

43. They gotta learn that they need to vote anyway even if they're a little bit butt hurt

It should be drilled into everyone, that not voting is the same as voting Republican

[jaxexpat]

48. I remember how that went when Nixon swept it In 68 & 72.

Democrats didn't run on policies which were dear to America's youth until 76. Even then the Republicans had to implode to allow them. The issue was Vietnam then, it's guns and Nazis now.

Democrats must let it be known they're going to war to stop the Nazis and eliminate weapons of war on our streets. They need to never forget justice is impatient as it should be.

[bringthePaine]

6. agreed

[Botany]

7. Durham's real job was to stop people from talking about Putin's Alfa Bank's connections to Trump

Durham was very good @ the job Barr wanted him to do and that was to stop the talk about all ...
... the links between the Trump Campaign and Putin's Alfa Bank. I'm willing to bet that less than
5% of the American people know about Alfa Bank and Trump. From March 2016 to October of
2016 a computer server @ Alfa Bank in Russia had more than 2,000 D.N.S searches (domain
name searches) to establish contact with a computer server in Lititiz, PA that was working for
the Trump Campaign. Alfa Bank also had > 300 contacts with Betsy DeVoss' computer in MI
during the same time and that would have most likely brought in Betsy's brother Erik (backwater)
Prince too.

Durham's mission was kamikaze mission from the jump. Barr knew their was nothing there in
investigating the Trump Russia investigators and he also knew that the Trump Campaign was up
to its eyeball in working with Russia so he had Durham stir up some shit that Fox and the GOP
could spread around their right wing media echo chambers.

@ least this is what I think.

Time to release the whole Mueller Report.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/was-there-a-connection-between-a-russian-bank-and-the-trump-campaign

P.s. The New York Office of the FBI was well aware of the connections between Trump and Russia in 2016

[Scrivener7]

8. THIIIIIISSSSS!!!!! So let's talk about them!!!

[gab13by13]

16. No, it appears the strategy is to just blame the MSM

for bad reporting.

There is one way for Democrats to change the narrative, investigate the Durham investigation. DOJ won't touch it, it would make them appear too partisan.

[Scrivener7]

18. You can't deny that is a big part of the problem. They ARE at fault. BUT

we have known for decades that the press will not treat us fairly, and we have not created a workaround. That is on us.

There are a LOT of ways Democrats can change the narrative. If the Kardashians can do it, certainly we Democrats can.

Our leaders need to hire a good PR firm to tell us how. That's all. It isn't complicated.

[gab13by13]

23. Absolutely,

just scroll down the page a little and see that people are not aware of how many people Mueller indicted. I get fed up when I hear about how the Mueller report was a failure, especially hearing it from Democrats. Mueller did his job in 22 months while being obstructed and limited and lied to by Bill Barr. In 22 months Mueller had people before a jury. The J6 insurrection was 2 1/2 years ago and we don't have even 1 indictment of someone from Trump's inner circle, let alone a trial.

[Pepsidog]

30. Marcie Wheeler and that former MP who is now a journalist we're talking about Alpha Bank years ago

at the beginning of the investigation. The scope of possible investigations against Trump are vast. All Trump did was sit and scheme about making money, exacting revenge, and sexually assaulting women.

[Botany]

38. James Comey and the N.Y. FBI Office were well aware of the non stop 2016 contacts between Putin's

.... Alfa Bank and the Trump Campaign computer server in Lititiz, PA and Betsy DeVoss'
business' computer in Michigan which put Putin/Russia into contact with her brother
Blackwater's Erik Prince. But instead Comey, FBI Agent McGonigal,* and the FBI pushed
2 stories that the NY Times put on their front pages

1) No contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia

2) HRC's email shit


* Who in 2016 was on Putin's payroll via Oleg Dirapaska .... and in 2022 Dirapaska was funding Santos/DeVolder
and Oleg Dirapaska was indicted by Mueller but Bill Barr dropped those charges.

[Pepsidog]

41. I hope McGonigal goes to prison. Prince in the Seychelles another traitor. Dirapaska

hands in everything. NY FBI agents and Comey-what a disgrace. Even Comey’s wife and daughter were begging him to be quiet. NYT an historic screwup. Rachel also had early segments about Alpha bank and it’s computer servers. I recall trying to explain some of this to my wife and adult kids. They looked at me like here goes Dad again. During W’s 8 years they witnessed the level of disgust I had with that bunch. Back then, I never thought someone as bad as Bush could ever be elected again. Then comes Trump who makes Bush look like a genius.

[Botany]

45. "Prince in the Seychelles"

Erik Prince just happened to be in a restaurant/bar in the Seychelles Islands around inauguration time
in 2017 and ran into a Russian agent, a Saudi money man, and skeevy Arab middle man to set up some
kind of back channel communication system between Trump and Putin. The # and just how deep into
our government and media right wing/Christo Fascist/Russian/Russian Assets (see Ron Johnson) is really
scary.

BTW the Seychelles are really the middle of no place. 900 miles of the coast of east central Africa and in
the middle of the Indian Ocean.

Prince and McGonigal should end up in the Federal Super Max Prison in Colorado. Flynn and Manafort
should join them too.

[Pepsidog]

50. I never heard of Seychelles Islands before this. Just a staggering amount of corruption. Great job

recalling the events.

[Botany]

51. The Seychelle Islanda has a large Asian population and my next door neighbor is either a 1st

or 2nd generation Chinese American and she and her family went to visit some kind of kin there
and it was a 2 day trip w/about 20 hours in the air. Fly from OH to NYC, fly from NYC to Germany,
and then fly to the Seychelles which is from Europe south and east to the equator and 900 miles off
the coast of Africa. No doubt Prince did it in less time flying a private jet.

[underpants]

10. Two horses needed for a race.

[Johnny2X2X]

11. The media has gone full Right Wing

This is getting crazy. There are 2 choices now, media who is far right white nationalist, and media who bends over backwards to not seem liberal so they report things like they're old FOX News.

[llmart]

15. You may very well be correct about all this but...

I came away with the thought that the takeaway from the one minute summary presented by ABC Nightly News and NBC to most uninformed Americans is that it was all just a "witch hunt" by the Democrats. That is what will stick with them regarding the Trump/Russia connection, not the truth as you posted. What you posted is way too complicated for most people to wrap their pea brains around.

Whoever owns the media, owns the narrative around it. By the way, I saw no "bothsiderism" when reporting this particular story. That only happens when there is a story negative to Democrats.

Also, I wanted to see if there would be any report about Rudy's lawsuit, but zip, zero, nada. Used to be a salacious tidbit like that would be front and center in the news.

[gab13by13]

20. So just give up because the MSM

is owned and managed by right wing oligarchs?

I guarantee that if Dick Durbin's committee investigated the Durham investigation the MSM would have to cover it.

[llmart]

36. I don't believe I ever advocated giving up.

Just stating how I see it. Hopefully I'm still allowed to do that here on DU.

I don't live in Florida. In fact, I would never live in Florida because I just don't like the state and that has nothing to do with it's politics of today. My son lives in Florida and is a staunch Democrat and has done what he could with what little free time he has to promote Democrats running for office, but nothing seems to motivate the younger people in the state to vote. So many of the people who "live" there are from up north where I live and they vote in their home states, not Florida. Almost a quarter of my senior neighborhood leaves in November/December and comes back on Memorial Day. They can't stand DeSantis either but as they say, "we just go there for the weather".

[Walleye]

37. It is is as if Manafort never existed, that he was never a Russian asset in Ukraine and worked for

Trump for no salary. Why haven’t we heard more reporting on Manafort? That is one hell of a story for a journalist if they wanted to write an investigative story

[Jon King]

17. Media wants Trump back for ratings.

The hell with democracy.

[PXR-5]

19. Here's my 2 cents...

All my repug relatives, friends and neighbors say the same thing,

"if all that stuff in the Muller investigation was true, then where's the indictments? If it was true then tRump most definitely would be locked up, tRump told us nothing would happen, it was just a witch hunt, just a waste of tax payers money, just wait and see"

See.

And you know what?
They have a point, we dropped the ball somewhere.

[gab13by13]

22. Sorry but you may have missed this;

Mueller's indictments or guilty pleas;

George Popadopoulas
Paul Manafort
Rick Gates
Michael Flynn
13 Russian Nationals
3 Russian companies
Richard Pinedo
Alex van der Zwaan
Konstantin Kilimnik
12 Russian GRU officers
Michael Cohen
Roger Stone
Sam Patten

Naming Trump as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Stormy Daniels payoff
Evidence to use to indict trump for 10 obstruction of justice crimes.

The only reason that Mueller did not indict Trump was because he was a sitting president, after trump left office Merrick garland could have used the evidence provided by Mueller to indict Trump.

[tavernier]

21. Morning Joe is doing a good job of blowing it up.

Good show today.

[kentuck]

24. Barr was playing Trump's lawyer...

By going along with his revenge tour on the FBI.

[moondust]

40. Strongly worded toilet paper.

You don't spend $6 million taxpayer dollars on a 4-year witch hunt and just walk away without producing anything.

[Walleye]

44. ☝️

[Johonny]

46. I don't even understand Durham's conclusions

He states the FBI should never have investigated Trump based on the information they had. But, I think it's generally assumed the FBI and CIA had already investigated Trump for illegal activity maybe as early as the 1980s which Durham doesn't even discuss. More importantly, given what what found by the CIA, FBI and other agencies from the 2016 time period. Russia's connection to the 2016 elections almost certainly should have been investigated as it yielded actionable data. Lastly, Trump himself was begging Russia to interfere in public and we know that Russia made attempts to contact his campaign. Indeed we know that the only reason Russia didn't more directly aid Trump was Trump's own general incompetence. Trump also has ten counts of obstruction of justice in said investigation we are told should never have happened.

The whole thing is absurd. Trump's own investigation into an investigation of him says despite what was found about Trump, investigation should never have happened. Yup. I mean, we knew that result before Durham ever opened his mouth. Durham lost two court cases. That's it. That's his result. LOL.

[Duppers]

49. K & R +100