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I mean the negotiations are being billed as an attempt to break the log jam to raising the debt limit.
Shouldn't raising the debt ceiling be a separate issue from negotiating future spending?
The 2 issues are now combined and I fear that when no agreement is reached on spending it will be portrayed as a failure to negotiate raising the debt ceiling.
Is there even a remote possibility that Kevin McCarthy has the power to negotiate a spending deal with President Biden?
Sorry, but that's my take.
MOMFUDSKI
(5,186 posts)Joe is just leading the doofus down the old garden path . . . .
Scrivener7
(50,773 posts)do it this time.
This was the optics part. But so far, I haven't seen any indications that Biden is offering anything. Which is the correct way to approach it.
gab13by13
(20,849 posts)is that these negotiations will be billed by the MSM as a failure by both parties to raise the debt limit.
I am not that smart but I don't see how these negotiations reach any kind of agreement, so why do it?
Scrivener7
(50,773 posts)If he didn't, they would plaster that all over the press in a second and then be free to trash the economy and blame him for it.
quaint
(2,508 posts)Should President Biden throw up his hands and no try to avoid default?
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,468 posts)And what has yet to be spent are 2 different entities.
Cutting the heart out to save the body makes NO sense. Joe knows that. Kevin does not.
Chainfire
(17,304 posts)opponent with the murder.
Chainfire
(17,304 posts)opponent with the murder.
wiggs
(7,788 posts)providing context, explaining processes, and properly framing issues around the debt.
Very little mention of taxes
Very little discussion of congress's role in solving problems that arise and that the gop wants to go back to not solving problems. Easy to conclude that the gop makes problems, dems solve them.
The 'credit card' analogy that the gop brings up is not accurate...a strawman
Very little correction when false claims about SS 'bankruptcy' and contribution to debt is thrown out there
Trump is often credited for 8 trillion of the debt...implying that the rest is the responsibility of...dems? As it happens, GOP administrations are responsible for much more but the discussion usually ends with Trump
The successes of social security and medicare are not discussed nearly enough...along with the horrific alternatives if they weren't around
Much more discussion is needed of the great and/or necessary programs the feds do spend on. Infrastructure, education, yes military to some degree, foreign aid to help keep the world stable, research, public health, funding of states' ability to address critical problems, regulation...etc
and much much more. Sometimes I think dem leaders assume that the public knows how government works...not the case at all. THIS IS NOT A HARD CASE TO MAKE and yet I think much of the public remains misinformed
wiggs
(7,788 posts)analyzing US politics than our own outlets
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/15/republicans-democrats-biden-us-debt-ceiling
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,468 posts)More than half the residents rely on Social Security and Medicare. How much they have in liquid assets, investments, retirement savings, I do not know. The average age is 83.
Any cuts in Social Security and Medicare will be felt hard.
maxsolomon
(32,975 posts)Republics are dumb, but they're not that dumb.
GreenWave
(6,485 posts)Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)GreenWave
(6,485 posts)Time to blast back!