If A Person Bought A Presidential Pardon From Rudy (Tr**p)......

[global1]

would they be in trouble too? If proved - would the pardon be voided?

[Ocelot II]

1. The pardon probably wouldn't be rescinded because under the Constitution

the pardon power is absolute. However, both the briber and the bribee could be prosecuted.

[lapfog_1]

3. yesterday Glenn Kirschner said that the pardons could be rescinded

if it was proven that they were obtained by illegal means.

[Ocelot II]

5. It's never happened, so it would have to be litigated - but who would have standing

to bring the case? How would it be challenged? Assume it was obtained by bribery, but once that crime has been prosecuted, then what? Would the pardon be treated like other ill-gotten gains? He might be right but I'd like to know what the process would be.

[lapfog_1]

8. he is the lawyer, not me

but I would suppose that the DOJ or other prosecuting agency, robbed of their conviction in a court, would have standing and would be considered the injured party (representing all of us).

[Ocelot II]

17. It doesn't work that way. DoJ can't prosecute unless there's an actual crime.

The actual crime is bribery, which it can prosecute; but being deprived of an opportunity to prosecute because of a pardon, regardless of the circumstances, doesn't give it standing to contest the pardon. If that were the case DoJ would be trying to get a lot of pardons rescinded of people who deserved prosecuting.

Do we know yet if anybody actually paid for a pardon?

[GenXer47]

20. I browsed Trump's 90 pardons

and some were certainly odd. Some he clearly did to make a statement, or send a message. All were self-serving of course. But there were some weird white collar criminals that could have come up with $2 million, easy.

[KPN]

19. DOJ would have standing wouldn't they?

[Ocelot II]

21. How? Bribery is a crime, but the question is whether a pardon obtained by bribery is void.

Since the pardon power is granted to the president by the Constitution it might not be voidable.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

22. I agree with your analysls

I do not see who has standing to attack the pardon but the pardon recipient paid a bribe and can be prosecuted for this crime

[rampartc]

2. pardon power is "absolute."

that will not change with this court (unless, of course, biden pardons someone trump don't like)

[global1]

7. Even If It Is Confirmed That Rudy/Tr**p Sold It And A Person Paid And Bought It?.....

And they say 'Crime doesn't pay'!!!

[rampartc]

11. seems unamerican, don't it?

selling pardons is bipartisan, and proving rudy accepted money does not mean trump "intended" to accept the pay off.

trump's worst pardons, of course, were his insurrection leaders bannon, flynn, and stone.

[Ocelot II]

12. The pardoned person could be prosecuted for bribery,

and pardons don't cover future crimes.

[Emile]

4. Blagojevich comes to mind. .

[Ocelot II]

9. But Blagojevich never actually consummated the bribe -

he wanted to sell Obama's open Senate seat, but got caught before he ever did it (not sure if he had any actual offers, either). What would have happened if he did? A Senate seat isn't irrevocable like a pardon, so the person who paid the bribe and got the appointment might have been expelled from the Senate as well as prosecuted for bribery. Not quite the same situation.

[Walleye]

13. That thought of him popped into my head right away

Did trump pardon him too?

[global1]

14. His Sentence Was Commuted - He Was Granted Clemency - Is That The Same.....

as being pardoned? Did Blago get an official presidential pardon from Tr**p?

[Freethinker65]

23. Same. He went to jail for just floating the idea

He openly asked why shouldn't he get something out of it, but didn't get the opportunity to cash in.

[Leghorn21]

6. For reference, here's a list of all pardons

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-donald-j-trump-2017-2021

We shall see what we shall see…arrghh

[lapfog_1]

10. there is the rumor of the "pocket pardons"

which is left unknown until / unless the person is actually prosecuted for the crime for which the pardon was issued (the crime had to occur before the pardon was issued). These have been rumored to exist... but it baffles me how it would be hidden (unless also the pardon is "classified" by the President).

[rampartc]

15. there is also the theory that trump "pardoned homself."

garland may not want to test the obvious lunacy of that idea before this current court.

[TheRealNorth]

24. Just by thinking it..

He didn't even have to put it to paper and sign and date it.

[rampartc]

25. of course not.

can you imagine the insanity of alito finding that some obscure letter from adams or madison proves that the founders "original intent" was to pardon themselves?

[Trenzalore]

16. Bribery is a federal crime

If proven there is a substantial penalty for that

[Buns_of_Fire]

18. "If this pardon fails to meet your expectations,

simply return the unused portion to TrumpCo and we will refund the unused portion of your money."