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Bucky

(53,998 posts)
Tue May 23, 2023, 12:41 PM May 2023

The baloney argument that Nato expansion forced Russia to invade Ukraine

Right up till February last year, I thought Ukraine joining NATO would be too provocative. We've been appeasing Russia's bullying of his neighbors for 15 years, but never actually gave Russia a full guarantee that we wouldn't allow Russia's neighbors to protect themselves. I think the narrator dumps too much blame on Clinton for failing to pump the brakes on the major Iron Curtain satellites from seeking full alliance. Putin's actions in Moldova and Georgia show they were right to get under the umbrella.

I think Dubya Bush's knee-jerk triumphalism (against a guy who he claimed to see a good soul in) doesn't get enough blame in the video also. We can't really ignore the context of Putin trying to build back the Romanov/Soviet empire when Bush was trying to expand the American NeoCon empire. But that said, this is an informative video to slap at the Putin apologists who've been popping up on the internet lately.

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The baloney argument that Nato expansion forced Russia to invade Ukraine (Original Post) Bucky May 2023 OP
If accept argument, then Putin massively failed when Finland on its border joined NATO. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2023 #1
Malarky RandySF May 2023 #2
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