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Sign at Clackamas United Church of Christ: (Original Post) applegrove Jun 2023 OP
The sexton must be off today. marble falls Jun 2023 #1
Takes me a while to get it up on my cell phone. applegrove Jun 2023 #2
The United Church of Christ is a very progressive denomination. ShazzieB Jun 2023 #23
I was making a joke, when he first posted it, the sign wasn't posted. My wife and I just quit the .. marble falls Jun 2023 #29
The Methodist church in our tiny town changed their name, rather than give up their .... 70sEraVet Jun 2023 #34
It's absolutely heart breaking. marble falls Jun 2023 #35
The subject of leaving has not come up in our UMC church hoosierspud Jun 2023 #37
Not in my congregation either. First United Methodist in yellowdogintexas Jun 2023 #42
ha ha. great BlueWaveNeverEnd Jun 2023 #3
Has Ayatollah DeSantis declared a fatwa against them yet? House of Roberts Jun 2023 #4
Ayatollah DeSantis! Good one, House of Roberts! calimary Jun 2023 #52
+1! Aristus Jun 2023 #5
Here's the pic BumRushDaShow Jun 2023 #6
Thank you. I could not wrangle it on my cell phone. applegrove Jun 2023 #13
You're welcome BumRushDaShow Jun 2023 #30
Yay! Love it. nt crickets Jun 2023 #27
There is a Unitarian Universalist Church not far from where I used to live BumRushDaShow Jun 2023 #31
Where is Clackamas? wnylib Jun 2023 #7
There's a Clackamas county in Oregon n/t TexasBushwhacker Jun 2023 #9
When I went to college in Salem('68), we had a group that we called the Clackamas CountyYouth High panader0 Jun 2023 #26
It is a county near Portland, OR. mommymarine2003 Jun 2023 #12
Thanks. Those of us who live far from there wnylib Jun 2023 #14
I thought Portland was in three counties (and that Clackamas was one of them.) soldierant Jun 2023 #49
A brief google search GenThePerservering Jun 2023 #25
Oregon, next to Portland. lildDemz Jun 2023 #36
So it's not Merry Clackamas any more? GreenWave Jun 2023 #38
In Oregon dai13sy Jun 2023 #40
ahh, the sound of bigot heads exploding! niyad Jun 2023 #8
Wait til they find out Jesus wasn't white BOSSHOG Jun 2023 #15
Shhhhh. We are not supposed to notice. niyad Jun 2023 #19
They, along with many others, still can't wrap their minds around he was a Jew... Behind the Aegis Jun 2023 #32
In Clackamas County in Oregon. Fla Dem Jun 2023 #10
thanks for that link nt orleans Jun 2023 #24
Ditto and likewise... phrigndumass Jun 2023 #41
We're there now! calimary Jun 2023 #50
Nothing about the vessel? Mary what's her name? erronis Jun 2023 #11
Oh come on. Mary must have been so proud to have a son who hit such mastery of humanity applegrove Jun 2023 #16
Of course! But it's Father's Day coming up now that we're in June. calimary Jun 2023 #51
For the Bible folks::: Eve was the first transgender - by creation. keithbvadu2 Jun 2023 #17
And Adam was created as both male and female LastDemocratInSC Jun 2023 #22
"And Adam was created as both male and female" keithbvadu2 Jun 2023 #28
Those "originalists" sure do know how to twist their illogic around the axle. erronis Jun 2023 #39
Let's see... God created man (not mankind) but not able to reproduce. keithbvadu2 Jun 2023 #45
Thanks for the tung-n-chique! I thought god could do any f'in thing he wanted. erronis Jun 2023 #47
Some scientific shit? keithbvadu2 Jun 2023 #55
I would expect nothing else from them Warpy Jun 2023 #18
Decades ago I was on a car trip with an eldery minister nuxvomica Jun 2023 #33
Remember there are two different Church of Christ in the US yellowdogintexas Jun 2023 #43
It's the main one I suggest for liberal believers disgusted with fundagelical religion Warpy Jun 2023 #46
I am not a fan of organized religion but UCC isn't too bad. OMGWTF Jun 2023 #20
Love it! I was member of UCC as a kid. honest.abe Jun 2023 #21
If my church suddenly vanished, I would head over to yellowdogintexas Jun 2023 #44
K&R Blue Owl Jun 2023 #48
That gave me a joyous burst of laughter, thanks. nt ShazamIam Jun 2023 #53
Yep. Jesus had two Dads and he turned out OK. Evolve Dammit Jun 2023 #54
LMAO!!! Outstanding! DemocraticPatriot Jun 2023 #56

marble falls

(59,576 posts)
29. I was making a joke, when he first posted it, the sign wasn't posted. My wife and I just quit the ..
Sat Jun 3, 2023, 05:09 AM
Jun 2023

... local Methodists over their berserk attitude towards LGBT. They're leaving the national Methodists Convention over this issue.

85% of the congregation voted to turn their backs on LGBT Christians. I can't believe I've know some of these people twenty years and never realized they were bigots. the MAGA is strong out here, and I'm just considered a misled hippie.

70sEraVet

(3,722 posts)
34. The Methodist church in our tiny town changed their name, rather than give up their ....
Sat Jun 3, 2023, 08:05 AM
Jun 2023

time-honored bigotry. Worried they might be called upon to love and accept someone they don't like.

hoosierspud

(150 posts)
37. The subject of leaving has not come up in our UMC church
Sat Jun 3, 2023, 09:52 AM
Jun 2023

In Spokane, but we heard that 12 churches in the Northwest Conference have voted to leave

yellowdogintexas

(22,464 posts)
42. Not in my congregation either. First United Methodist in
Sat Jun 3, 2023, 02:22 PM
Jun 2023

Fort Worth TX.. No big meetings, a vote was not held at the Board & not discussed, therefore no congregational vote. Our membership was clearly not interested. Most of the larger UMC churches in Tarrant County voted to stay. One or two went independent, and I am certain a number of churches went with the Global. I would expect the NW Conference to have a low number voting to leave. The percentages in the Southeastern Jurisdiction are much higher.

We are the largest UMC in our area (5000 members, approximately). Some of the local churches changed their names and are now "independent" churches. This gets them out of the funds they pay annually to the Conference.

some are going with the Global Methodist Churches. It varies according to location, but percentages of those leaving run around 35% to 40 % of the churches in the various annual Conferences, many of which are I would add that according to our ministers, smaller and rural churches are the majority of those leaving for the Global. I think there is a window of opportunity for these churches to move to the Global without surrendering their property to the UMC Annual Conference. This may be why we are seeing the large numbers exiting now - so they keep their buildings and land.

Surrender of property was a key issue in the negotiations. FUMC FW has a huge campus on the edge of downtown FW. Our parking alone would be a huge money maker for the Conference. I can see developers salivating over all that land with visions of condominiums and apartment buildings dancing in their heads.

We are going to have conservatives in every UMC congregation who migrate over to a GMC or independent, and Progressive members from the GMC churches who will transfer membership to a UMC church.

I think the "Globalists" stirred up this stink and made every effort to soil the nest enough that WE would be the ones who left ( and surrender our property) I am so glad it turned out they were the ones to leave.

This was a long time coming; the change in allowing gay ministers; marriage of gay persons by any minister etc has been voted on at every General Conference (international meeting every 4 years) for at least 30 years. Every time the vote was closer to make the changes; the African and some of the South American delegates were always the ones who drove the majority, along with the votes of delegates from conservative Annual Conferences.

Finally a compromise was reached, freeing congregations to leave without surrendering their property.



BumRushDaShow

(133,823 posts)
30. You're welcome
Sat Jun 3, 2023, 05:37 AM
Jun 2023

When I saw you were having issues, I started looking it up out of curiosity. I know trying to get images posted on DU with a phone can be a PITA (I generally post on DU with a laptop and have done it with my iPad if I'm out somewhere with it).

BumRushDaShow

(133,823 posts)
31. There is a Unitarian Universalist Church not far from where I used to live
Sat Jun 3, 2023, 05:45 AM
Jun 2023

that has similarly always been politically "woke" too -



panader0

(25,816 posts)
26. When I went to college in Salem('68), we had a group that we called the Clackamas CountyYouth High
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 10:55 PM
Jun 2023

School Circus. Just a gang of stoned misfits.

mommymarine2003

(273 posts)
12. It is a county near Portland, OR.
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 08:35 PM
Jun 2023

Portland is in Multnomah County, and Clackamas is an adjacent county. I live in Gresham, OR.

wnylib

(22,892 posts)
14. Thanks. Those of us who live far from there
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 08:38 PM
Jun 2023

do not recognize county names and need additional info about local news items.

dai13sy

(392 posts)
40. In Oregon
Sat Jun 3, 2023, 01:33 PM
Jun 2023

south of Portland. Nice place, even better people. We don't accept Tonya Harding as an Oregonian

Behind the Aegis

(54,363 posts)
32. They, along with many others, still can't wrap their minds around he was a Jew...
Sat Jun 3, 2023, 05:51 AM
Jun 2023

...from birth to death.

phrigndumass

(5,809 posts)
41. Ditto and likewise...
Sat Jun 3, 2023, 01:49 PM
Jun 2023

It's one thing for a church to be "Welcoming" and a much better thing for a church to be "Affirming and Inclusive"

Loved all the signs at your link!

- Phrig

calimary

(82,581 posts)
50. We're there now!
Sat Jun 3, 2023, 05:02 PM
Jun 2023

My husband came up with a good riff on that.

“Jesus had two dads.
So do you.”

erronis

(15,977 posts)
11. Nothing about the vessel? Mary what's her name?
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 08:35 PM
Jun 2023

I won't bother looking it up but vessel seems related to vassal.

The Holy Roman Church (yes, I know it's not any of these things) worships the poor woman who had to put up with all of these lies. I bet she has a good story to tell --- except those stories are all written by men.

applegrove

(120,223 posts)
16. Oh come on. Mary must have been so proud to have a son who hit such mastery of humanity
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 08:47 PM
Jun 2023

by his early 30s. Before him, and Moses before, people sacrificed children and scapegoated others.There were fewer murders and more children surviving into adulthood after the Bible. So what if the scribes got a bit supernatural. Lives were saved. You know that Democracy is a human construct too.

keithbvadu2

(38,006 posts)
17. For the Bible folks::: Eve was the first transgender - by creation.
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 08:53 PM
Jun 2023

Eve was the first transgender - by creation.

For the Bible folks:::

Eve was the first transgender. Originally 100% male.

God was OK with it.

erronis

(15,977 posts)
39. Those "originalists" sure do know how to twist their illogic around the axle.
Sat Jun 3, 2023, 01:29 PM
Jun 2023

Same type that are infesting the SCOTUS.

"It means what I say I think it means!"

keithbvadu2

(38,006 posts)
45. Let's see... God created man (not mankind) but not able to reproduce.
Sat Jun 3, 2023, 02:54 PM
Jun 2023
https://www.bing.com/search?q=god+created+the+animals+scripture&form=ANNTH1&refig=b03d4d7318274163b59ffbed06c3525e&sp=2&lq=0&qs=UT&pq=god+created+the+animals&sk=MT1&sc=10-23&cvid=b03d4d7318274163b59ffbed06c3525e

When God created the animals, he gave them the ability to reproduce.

========================================

God created Adam but Adam could not reproduce so he had to adapt, improvise, and overcome by later making Eve.

But why would Adam have to reproduce?

Adam was made in God's image and God has no mate.

Adam could live forever.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=when+did+god+create+eve&form=ANNTH1&refig=5399de3b0da54ac1943d45b838d4d721

=================================

OK... Some tongue-in-cheek here.

erronis

(15,977 posts)
47. Thanks for the tung-n-chique! I thought god could do any f'in thing he wanted.
Sat Jun 3, 2023, 03:33 PM
Jun 2023

IT (to be politically correct) could have made ITself a mate that would satisfy ITs urges to do what IT wanted. Of course that mate might have become more powerful than IT and lead to a whole new set of fantasy and legends and bibbles and korans with begats and beheads.

I'm going back to reading some scientific shit.

Warpy

(112,175 posts)
18. I would expect nothing else from them
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 09:35 PM
Jun 2023

They're still the New England Congregational Church back there and extremely liberal everywhere.

Christians who got the point, now there's a novelty.

nuxvomica

(12,630 posts)
33. Decades ago I was on a car trip with an eldery minister
Sat Jun 3, 2023, 06:09 AM
Jun 2023

We spent the time casually discussing religion and I joked about the different denominations, like "Assembly of God? Wasn't he already assembled?" We passed a church called the "Church of Christ" and I joked that they apparently thought they owned Christ. He replied that that was his church. One of the most liberal people I've ever met, he had been a CO ambulance driver in World War I. That's how I learned about the Congregational church.

yellowdogintexas

(22,464 posts)
43. Remember there are two different Church of Christ in the US
Sat Jun 3, 2023, 02:30 PM
Jun 2023

One is hard core literalist, fundamentalist and if it isn't in the Bible, they won't do it. No instrumental music. No women on boards. Rules on who can serve on the boards even if male: over 50, married, never divorced. Evolution is anathema. No dancing, alcohol. ( l laugh when I think of the Wedding in Cana with the water into wine, and since it was a Jewish/Middle Eastern wedding they danced until they dropped)

The other is a much more moderate church and is one of the denominations which formed the United Churches of Christ.

If the gentleman was a member of the former, I do not know how he stood it, unless he just stayed for the singing which is fabulous.

Warpy

(112,175 posts)
46. It's the main one I suggest for liberal believers disgusted with fundagelical religion
Sat Jun 3, 2023, 03:09 PM
Jun 2023

but who aren't ready for the UU.

Catholics get prodded toward the Anglican Church.

There are a lot of homes for people who are sick of having hatred preached at them.

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