Strawberry Meadows Forever

[H2O Man]

I can understand why some of the Good People on this forum are impatient for the defendent to be indicted by the DOJ. I get it. The numerous crimes of the defendent seem rather obvious and easy to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt in a court of law. This includes those involving January 6 and the stolen documents.

Some people point out -- correctly -- how quickly the DOJ indicted and convicted a significant number of the people involved in the January 6 insurrection. That's a valid point. However, we should also keep in mind that some of the lads from the Oaf Keepers have only recently been convicted of the much more serious crime of sedition. Hence, we can say with confidence that charges for more serious crimes tend to take longer than those that involve lesser charges more easily proven.

Now, it would seem rather obvious that not only did the defendent steal classified documents, but also obstructed efforts to retrieve them. That would simple enough, would it not? Heck, Attorney General Garland could have had those charges brought by now. What is the hold up, one might ask?

From recent media reports -- which may or may not be accurate -- it appears that one of the reasons that Garland appointed Jack Smith to head what on the surface appears to be a simple case was so that Smith could investigate why the defendent took specific documents. And what he did with them -- including who he may have shown or shared them with. Just as sedition is a more complicated charge than trespass, it may very well be that Mr. Smith has identified the defendent as the target of much more serious crimes than what appears obvious at first glance.

I can only speak for myself, of course. And even then, I often disagree with myself. But I am convinced that not only is this a time to be patient, but it is actually one that we should be enjoying. Keep in mind that a good prosecutor likes to turn up the heat on a target, confident that the target becomes increasingly likely to make errors under pressure. That heat has reached the boiling point, and the defendent -- who many retired prosecutors say is his own worst enemy -- has begun to melt. His attack on Mark Meadows indicates he cannot control himself. And he is confronted now with an even more dangerous opponent than himself.

[Walleye]

1. Every time I hear a news alert on my phone hope springs eternal

I can’t imagine how TFIG feels when he hears news alerts

[H2O Man]

3. Right.

Watching news reports made it simple to stay inside due to "air quality" the past few days. The dog seems to think I'm nuts, when I laugh so hard with every new report!

[Walleye]

4. Yeah the air is really bad. Beautiful June day all spoiled

So I will make the most of it, watch the birds and listen to the news. I imagine they would have to arrange for security before they actually arrest him. And someone mentioned that the indictments could come down and remain sealed

[H2O Man]

8. Exactly!

And security includes not only the federal buildings in DC and Florida. This A.G. remembers Tim McVeigh.

[MiHale]

2. Makes sense...

and actually what I’m hoping for. Take your time to build an ironclad case, put this ass away for ever, get him out of the public’s eye & ear.

Part of me before I take the foil hat off thinks theses little unconfirmed reports are let loose to “see” how TFG will respond. Know your enemy, know him well, his weaknesses, his strengths, exploit them, especially attack the weaknesses.

[H2O Man]

6. There are resources

available to the DOJ that fully understand the workings of criminals of all types, from mere anti-social personality disorder thuga to sociopaths such as the defendent. Sometimes pressure is increased by what is said, and other times by what isn't said. I thought it was a giggle when about thirty minuted after his legal team met with Mr. Smith, the defendent posted that no one has told him he will be indicted. That was telling.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

5. Extremely well said, my dear H20 Man!

You always make sense, but today you've outdone yourself.

Bravo!

I am proud and lucky to know you.

[H2O Man]

7. Thank you!

I am honored to know you!

Watching the news has been a pleasure this week!

[Easterncedar]

9. I appreciate this

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The first two sentences of the last paragraph made me smile out loud. Nice. Thanks.

Your waiting and that of Duncanpup often seem like a sheet anchor for my mood and my mind as we are all tossed about in these stormy, dangerous and fearful times.

[H2O Man]

14. My father often said

that I could start a heated debate in an empty room. Of course, I disagreed with him!

It is a very strange time. It is essential for the rule of law to hold firm. I think that since 2017, although there was one particularly ugly USSC decision, the courts have held, and this is what stopped the defendent from destroying the Constitution (and thus democracy). The Department of Justice is preparing another step in the right direction. It's strange -- I never thought I'd live to see a greater threat than Nixon, until Reagan/Bush then Bush/Cheney, criminals all. But the defendent is far worse.

[Easterncedar]

37. Yes, so very much worse

He is an agent of chaos.

[MineralMan]

10. Yup. The Show Is About to Start

Take a seat near the front of the house...

[H2O Man]

15. Right!

I'm enjoying the previews already! I appreciate why some of our good friends are impatient, but I'm confident they are going to very very pleased. And soon.

[malaise]

19. Oh Yes

Strawberry Meadows Forever! Nicely played

[H2O Man]

22. Can't help myself sometimes.

I was really pleased to read the defendent's rant about how he was prepared to fire Meadows. I suspect that Meadows had a lot to say about January 6, as well as the documents.

I was thinking this morning about our previous conversations about the courts holding firm. Now we have a real DOJ, rather than the corrupt institution of the defendent's presidency.

[malaise]

23. Yes indeed

and consequences are coming.

[H2O Man]

24. ABC is reporting

that the defendent was indicted on several federal charges today!

[malaise]

26. Holy shit

Yeeees!

[H2O Man]

28. This is very nice!

I anticipate his legal team will not be able to shut him up before his court hearing Tuesday in DC.

[malaise]

35. Perfect birthday present

One day early.

[Kid Berwyn]

11. Barbarically relishing every moment of Trump's Descent.

[H2O Man]

16. The defendent became

overconfident when he kept getting away with things. The Mueller Report should have resulted in impeachment and conviction. And both impeachments should have brought about convictions in the Senate, as well. I remember talking to Dr. Bandy Lee about this, and her saying that this would cause him to pose a much greater threat to our country.

[GreenWave]

12. The problem is with such lengthy cunctation

some of the bad actors can get elected or re-elected further hampering the lengthy sojourn. Many have not been taught a "lesson in fair play and democracy" and are using this time warp to destroy democracy or plot its demise.

Yes the shock troops have gotten their comeuppance for the most part, but their puppetmasters are still free to inflict more damage.

[H2O Man]

18. I agree.

There are others that manipulated the defendent, while allowing him to believe he came up with every idea that they planted in his brain. Some of them are domestic, others from foreign lands. It will be interesting to see how many more -- if any -- are indicted along with the defendent. A friend suggested to me that Mr. Smith's grand jury in Florida suggest the investigation has likely identified other targets. The question would thus become one of if they are allowed to make deals or not. Of course, that's the documents case. I would not be surprised if the January 6 investigation brings about other indictments in DC, of people like Roger Stone.

[Saoirse9]

13. Legal analysts

Have stopped saying he won’t have jail time. They seem to think there’s no other choice.

I saw footage of Jack Smith walking into his office, completely ignoring a pesky reporter walking alongside him. Two bodyguards were with him. He looked . . . Peaceful. Untroubled.

[H2O Man]

20. Right.

I've noticed that same thing -- it may be that the defendent is incarcerated. I hope so. But I go back and forth on it. I try not to let what I really, really wish would happen get in the way of what I think might be more likely.

I remember when Mr. Smith was appointed, many here were unfamiliar with him, and were asking, "What the heck?" But the Attorney General knew exactly who he had selected, and those of us who knew of Mr. Smith understood exactly why he was appointed. I remember my cousin calling to ask me if I was familiar with him? I gave him some background, and he said, "Just from the pictures of him, he looks like the type of guy you'd avoid bumping into in a bar." I said I doubt he has been in many bars since he was a college student in Oneonta.

[Saoirse9]

25. Well he has come through for us

I'd like more info on exactly what charges, but I am very pleased.

[H2O Man]

27. Next Tuesday

we will learn the charges, when the defendent appears in court. But it is safe to pop some popcorn now!

[Saoirse9]

33. I need champagne for Tuesday

Maybe a couple bottles.

[Hekate]

17. I'm not popping my popcorn --yet. It's on standby, as I look forward to the moment ...

To you.

[H2O Man]

21. So long as you

have a good supply of popcorn, you are all set for a major production! And while there will surely be gaps between indictment and initial court hearings, I'm fully confident that we can count on the defendent's melt-downs to provide great entertainment.

I suppose that in time, I'll have to start calling him the convict!

[H2O Man]

30. ABC reporting

that there "are at least seven counts."

[Hekate]

34. Woot! I turned on MSNBC in time to hear Rachel on the phone on the ReidOut!

My gods, I have held off investing emotion in will he/won’t he, but now it feels refreshingly like the Nixon Death Watch.

[yardwork]

29. DU Rec.

I go to walk the dog and now this! Good song, btw.

[H2O Man]

31. We've been waiting

for today's indictments for some time! It's a great day!

[yardwork]

32. I've been waiting since Fitzmas for some accountability.

It's a good day.

[Martin Eden]

36. Just WIN, baby!

Build an air-tight case
Make the orange man face
Real justice for his crime

Beyond reasonable doubt
He can't lie his way out
Of doing serious time!

[H2O Man]

38. It is a great day

in American history. I'm glad that Jack Smith was appointed to lead the investigation. Nice that espionage has been charged.

[Martin Eden]

41. Make America great again ...

...by proving the rule of law prevails and justice applies to everyone.

[malaise]

39. Rachel is on Lawrence

Yeah!

[H2O Man]

40. Nice!

Looking forward to seeing it in an hour.