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First PPP 2012 Poll - Obama +5 on Romney (Original Post) Hawaii Hiker Jan 2012 OP
gitty up Broderick Jan 2012 #1
Shhh .... denem Jan 2012 #2
Good. I have noticed that large moderate figure in other polls cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #3
K & R Scurrilous Jan 2012 #4
KnR #5 Its gonna be Brutal ... I can see it now.... ouch.... opihimoimoi Jan 2012 #5
Assuming O polls liberals at the same rate as R polls for conservatives, how is he only up by 5? LonePirate Jan 2012 #6
because, belileve it or not, there are more conservatives in the US than liberals WI_DEM Jan 2012 #8
Mods were the most polled at 27% which does not explain how that 41pt lead drops to 5pts. LonePirate Jan 2012 #9
Those are self identified labels. DCBob Jan 2012 #14
That's correct. But more to the point, I don't and won't look at any polling data SlimJimmy Jan 2012 #19
No one should be talking about landslides.. DCBob Jan 2012 #21
I do understand what you are saying, but I just don't believe the polling is reliable at this SlimJimmy Jan 2012 #26
Liberals are an ideological minority in this country. phleshdef Jan 2012 #12
And many Democrats dont like the label.. DCBob Jan 2012 #16
And some people have a lot of liberal positions without even realizing it. phleshdef Jan 2012 #17
For sure. DCBob Jan 2012 #18
Oh my! Very liberal approve of Obama's job performance by 80-18 percent. WI_DEM Jan 2012 #7
Let's hope these numbers hold up & grow. It'll be interesting to watch Romney transition from.... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #10
So now.... FrenchieCat Jan 2012 #11
That sounds more like it. n/t ingac70 Jan 2012 #13
Nice! This is very good news. DCBob Jan 2012 #15
The poll says Colbert is more popular than any Republican candidate... spooky3 Jan 2012 #20
Of Course the Media Will Hype Polls Showing Obama Ahead Yavin4 Jan 2012 #22
More Latest Polls on the link below Tx4obama Jan 2012 #23
Ride 'em bucko flamingdem Jan 2012 #24
And he hasn't even started campaigning yet... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #25
One great big K & R two minutes Surya Gayatri Jan 2012 #27
Who TF are the 30% Hispanics Gman Jan 2012 #28

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
3. Good. I have noticed that large moderate figure in other polls
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:33 PM
Jan 2012

where Obama simultaneously trails slightly among independents, suggestig that a big cohort of independents are self-identified non-moderates. Interesting.

PPP is pretty good. I suspect this pollis a pretty good snapshot.

LonePirate

(13,416 posts)
6. Assuming O polls liberals at the same rate as R polls for conservatives, how is he only up by 5?
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:48 PM
Jan 2012

The sample of moderates must be exceptionally small.

LonePirate

(13,416 posts)
9. Mods were the most polled at 27% which does not explain how that 41pt lead drops to 5pts.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 04:06 PM
Jan 2012

The poll would have to sample conservatives at almost three times the rate of liberals to overcome that difference in moderates. A quick glance of the poll's internals do not match with the final result during my quick review. Maybe there is a likely to vote algorithm applied to the findings.

I call BS on this poll for now.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
14. Those are self identified labels.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 06:47 PM
Jan 2012

Many Democrats dont like the liberal label and call themselves moderates.

SlimJimmy

(3,180 posts)
19. That's correct. But more to the point, I don't and won't look at any polling data
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 07:44 PM
Jan 2012

that is more than two months out from the election. All this talk of landslides and the GOP's demise is counterproductive in my opinion. Let's concentrate on getting out the vote and getting out the message. If we do that, the polls will take care of themselves.

Those are self identified labels.

Many Democrats don't like the liberal label and call themselves moderates.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
21. No one should be talking about landslides..
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 07:52 PM
Jan 2012

but it is helpful to see how the electorate is thinking even at this early date and the best way to do that is with polling.

SlimJimmy

(3,180 posts)
26. I do understand what you are saying, but I just don't believe the polling is reliable at this
Wed Jan 18, 2012, 01:09 AM
Jan 2012

point. I mean, look at how many times the lead has changed in the GOP primary so far. And then there will be the big onslaught of attack ads against the President. I'll start looking at the polls after a few months of that to determine the true direction of the voting public.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
12. Liberals are an ideological minority in this country.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 04:44 PM
Jan 2012

I say that as a proud member of that minority, but it is what it is.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
17. And some people have a lot of liberal positions without even realizing it.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 07:09 PM
Jan 2012

And they go vote for whoever, a lot of times against their best interests, without even realizing it.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,232 posts)
10. Let's hope these numbers hold up & grow. It'll be interesting to watch Romney transition from....
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 04:22 PM
Jan 2012

the teanuttery he's had to spout to get the nomination. All Obama should have to do is yell, "Roll tape, please"!

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
11. So now....
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 04:36 PM
Jan 2012

We just have to actually show up and vote!

The media will work hard at making it close, cause they like and need
those advertising dollars, so don't let this poll fool ya!.......and understand
that this may be what they want right now, at a time when it still matters little!
Romney still has to win the nomination, and choose a Veep....
and Europe still looks fragile, and so I say....
We will have to work hard for this win, no matter how it looks according to current polls!

spooky3

(34,438 posts)
20. The poll says Colbert is more popular than any Republican candidate...
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 07:46 PM
Jan 2012

"36% of voters have a favorable opinion of him to 28% with a negative one. His 36% favorability is better than the entire GOP field. Romney's at 35%, Santorum at 30%, Paul at 27%, Gingrich at 26%, and Perry at 21%. Colbert's popular with Democrats (47/21) and independents (43/26) but not with Republicans (18/39) despite his best efforts to run as one of their Presidential candidates."

Yavin4

(35,433 posts)
22. Of Course the Media Will Hype Polls Showing Obama Ahead
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 08:12 PM
Jan 2012

because they want that Romney Super Pac money to buy ads on their stations, while they "tut" "tut" negative advertising.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
27. One great big K & R two minutes
Wed Jan 18, 2012, 03:58 AM
Jan 2012

before blackout. Excellent news to take with me into the 18 hours of darkness.
SG

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