Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:55 AM

jsmirman (4,507 posts)

If we give up Kerry's seat we WILL lose it to Scott Brown

Okay, I don't believe it's a fait accompli. It's a slightly sensationalist title.

But I have to tell you that the threat is very, very real.

Brown - inexplicably to me - he ran a disgusting and dishonest campaign (from not firing his war whooping idiot staffers to pretending the (R) next to his name just somehow got there) - remains very popular in Massachusetts.

This is just anecdotal, but I have to tell you that as one who pounded the pavement for Elizabeth Warren, I heard multiple times, "Yes, I'm voting for Elizabeth, but I really do feel so bad for Scott Brown."

I did not hear this once. I heard it all over my canvassing routes.

And the moment I heard Kerry's name being floated for a cabinet post, the above scared the crap out of me.

The people of Massachusetts, at least in my small corner of canvassing - which did seem like a somewhat bellwether set of areas in Worcester and Leominster (bellwether because they had a bunch of both Dems and Repubs, and people who might slide either way) - voted FOR Elizabeth Warren, not as a rejection of Scott Brown.

I think this would be a disastrous and all too typical self-inflicted wound.

I think Scott Brown is a disgusting fraud. His accent on both the night of his election win and election loss was noticeably free from his "Jimmy who drives a truck" brogue from the debates. His attacks on Elizabeth Warren were beneath contempt. His claims of bipartisanship were nothing more than monkeying with the numbers and ducking in with plenty of cover on the votes he used to build that claim. His "time in Afghanistan" was a despicable farce.

But even good thinking Dems in Massachusetts just seem to like this man. And Mass voters have this wacky notion about balance in their delegation, which is just, NO.

Scott Brown needs to be BURIED. The idea that our own party would, of its own accord, resuscitate him, is horrifying.

And btw, Brown was a hardcore Republican while he was an in-state politician. Please don't open the door for this chameleon-like fraud. We just got rid of another charlatan of that stripe from Massachusetts. Or sort of from Massachusetts.

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If we give up Kerry's seat we WILL lose it to Scott Brown (Original post)	jsmirman	Nov 2012	OP
I doubt they would run Scott Brown	loyalsister	Nov 2012	#1
I think you are badly underestimating Scott Brown's popularity	jsmirman	Nov 2012	#3
Why is that, do you think?	yardwork	Nov 2012	#40
The poster is right. I live in Massachusetts and don't like Brown. But he has a base of 1 million	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#49
I live in MA too, this was a close race. It shouldn't have been, but it was. I agree with you.	mother earth	Nov 2012	#99
53 - 46 is not a close race.	Warren Stupidity	Nov 2012	#131
No, the outcome was great, but despite all the BS from Brown & his never addressing real	mother earth	Nov 2012	#139
I understand, but I think a strong candidate will do fine.	Warren Stupidity	Nov 2012	#141
Was Coakley aloof? That win gave the rethugs in the Senate enough of a majority to	mother earth	Nov 2012	#142
she refused all advice to get out and work for it.	Warren Stupidity	Nov 2012	#144
Sure was a "lucky" win for the GOP. nt	mother earth	Nov 2012	#145
He sure is. Brown got over 1.2 million votes and almost a million when he beat Coakley.	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#47
They don't have anyone else	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Nov 2012	#4
Not only will he run, he will win.	chelsea0011	Nov 2012	#8
If not for senate, then at least for governor.	TheCowsCameHome	Nov 2012	#14
Oh Please NO!	sheshe2	Nov 2012	#28
A special appointment from the Governor's seat make more sense. Tim Murray, a very good	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#51
Oh yes they would- he is not unliked here.	Marrah_G	Nov 2012	#30
Brown has proven an ability to win a statewide election, has an organization, and can raise money.	hughee99	Nov 2012	#42
He's planning to run if the seat is open	NotThisTime	Nov 2012	#92
I don't think the Suprememe Court issue has gone away. n/t	left on green only	Nov 2012	#136
I doubt Team Obama would create that risk without a contingency plan	CakeGrrl	Nov 2012	#2
Why? They handed the AZ governorship to the right-wing...	David__77	Nov 2012	#6
I tend to agree, they pulled a few governors	davidpdx	Nov 2012	#7
And Arizona has been hell ever since... nt	ProudProgressiveNow	Nov 2012	#79
+1 n/t	politicasista	Nov 2012	#100
The naked guy just LOST, acted like an IDIOT, and MIKE CAPUANO could BEAT him.	RBInMaine	Nov 2012	#5
Capuano seems content where he is.	TheCowsCameHome	Nov 2012	#15
He couldn't win a primary	chelsea0011	Nov 2012	#19
Didn't Capuano run against him before and didn't even rate in that election airc? I love Capuano	sabrina 1	Nov 2012	#41
Couldn't the Dem legislature just change the rule back so the GOV could appoint someone? nt	aaaaaa5a	Nov 2012	#9
Kerry is a good man, but he is needed in the Senate. Agree: bury Scott Brown. nt	Bernardo de La Paz	Nov 2012	#10
We need another show-stopper candidate to run for Senate	rox63	Nov 2012	#11
Capuano ran in the 2010 Senate race already and no one even remembers apparently.	sabrina 1	Nov 2012	#45
This message was self-deleted by its author	seaglass	Nov 2012	#84
I voted for Capuano as well	rox63	Nov 2012	#89
I like the young Kennedy in two years if he shines in the US House. He would be unbeatable	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#53
I think Joe Kennedy III needs a bit more experience than 2 years before running for the Senate	rox63	Nov 2012	#90
...	politicasista	Nov 2012	#98
I wonder if the electoriate of Massachusettse likes Rachel Maddow as much as they do Scott Brown?	left on green only	Nov 2012	#137
IMHO...	ReRe	Nov 2012	#12
You don't live here. I do. We have only one person that could beat Brown, maybe, right now. nt	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#69
Yeah, I don't live there.	ReRe	Nov 2012	#74
Brown will definitely run; however, don't forget Bill Weld moved back to MA	Justice	Nov 2012	#13
Weld would lose to a number of democrats. Scott Brown may be can be beaten only by Patrick. nt	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#54
Unless Deval Patrick will run for Senate, I have no desire to appoint Kerry to the cabinet	OmahaBlueDog	Nov 2012	#16
I agree with Lugar	jsmirman	Nov 2012	#22
Brown has a base of 1 million votes. Even Patrick would struggle to beat Brown right now.	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#56
Maybe, but putting politics above country isn't where we want to be. If Kerry's the best man ...	Scuba	Nov 2012	#17
Yes, in a perfect world.	MrSlayer	Nov 2012	#57
I'm not in this to beat the Republicans. I'm in it to make America great.	Scuba	Nov 2012	#71
Yeah, but they're in it to beat us, America be damned.	MrSlayer	Nov 2012	#75
The SOS will speak for the president, not himself.	julian09	Nov 2012	#77
If we care about the country,	woo me with science	Nov 2012	#85
I dont know if Kerry will leave, but we can beat Brown.	Mass	Nov 2012	#18
who can beat Brown other than Patrick? WHO other than Patrick? I live in Massachusetts too.	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#58
What do you mean he has lost you?	democrattotheend	Nov 2012	#80
He "lost you" if he appoints the best man for the job?	MessiahRp	Nov 2012	#82
+1	politicasista	Nov 2012	#116
Wow, the fear of Scott Brown is strong.	ProSense	Nov 2012	#20
Warren was ultimately perceived by the Massachusetts electorate as a GREAT candidate	jsmirman	Nov 2012	#21
What are you going to do if Kerry doesn't run in 2014?	ProSense	Nov 2012	#23
I'd certainly prefer the seat be up in a normal reelection rather than a special one	jsmirman	Nov 2012	#34
Good point - Kerry might retire	democrattotheend	Nov 2012	#24
Warren is a special candidate, she won by less than 200,000 votes. Look, I am sorry for this after	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#59
Wait,	ProSense	Nov 2012	#61
Two reasons. First, Massachusetts Democrats are tired. Second, we will have a deeper bench in 2014	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#67
Truth never gets in the way of Kerry bashing n/t	politicasista	Nov 2012	#96
+ 1000	protect our future	Nov 2012	#124
...	politicasista	Nov 2012	#130
You don't care. You have a dislike of Kerry n/t	politicasista	Nov 2012	#97
Warren could always beat Brown. She was a great candidate...	Little Star	Nov 2012	#117
ProSense is right	politicasista	Nov 2012	#118
I think you are misunderstanding. Kerry is a great senator and we love having him...	Little Star	Nov 2012	#121
No.	politicasista	Nov 2012	#123
Democrats wet their pants when they have majorities	leftstreet	Nov 2012	#25
The legislature can change the law and make it an appointment by the governor again.	hrmjustin	Nov 2012	#26
Vicki Kennedy for Kerry's seat?	Old and In the Way	Nov 2012	#27
As a fellow person from MA- I have to agree	Marrah_G	Nov 2012	#29
And I'm just a New Yorker/DC person who pitched in bec. I love Elizabeth	jsmirman	Nov 2012	#35
And there is a truth out there that non-locals might not understand	Marrah_G	Nov 2012	#37
I am from Massachusetts too. I agree.	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#60
"If the President MAKES us..." What the hell is THAT? He just wants a GOOD Sec. of Def. Kerry	RBInMaine	Nov 2012	#86
+1	sarcasmo	Nov 2012	#66
Depends on who he runs against.	edbermac	Nov 2012	#31
Brown lost because he took stands that were very unpopular...	Agnosticsherbet	Nov 2012	#32
No offense, but I take the word of the DUers on the ground in Massachusetts. They are worried	stevenleser	Nov 2012	#52
I think that the decision should be left to Obama and Kerry...	Agnosticsherbet	Nov 2012	#72
It's not inevitable, but if we keep giving this man shots at Senate seats he's going	Arkana	Nov 2012	#33
Not necessarily. How many shots has mitt had at the White House? Sometimes	Cha	Nov 2012	#50
Mitt is no Scott Brown. Brown is well liked in MA...	Little Star	Nov 2012	#119
Right.. it still doesn't mean that just because brown keeps trying	Cha	Nov 2012	#120
Cha, do you live in MA? And who do you suggest as a...	Little Star	Nov 2012	#122
No, I don't live in Mass..just been following the campaign through my cyber	Cha	Nov 2012	#133
I think the young Kennedy just elected to the House can beat anyone if he proves his worth	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#62
James Webb would be a better choice than John Kerry.	DinahMoeHum	Nov 2012	#36
Or Wesley Clark. The President seems to have a problem with not being able to trust someone that is	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#63
Bring Back Barney Frank !	RagAss	Nov 2012	#38
Barney retired because he wasn't going to win his own redesigned district,	hughee99	Nov 2012	#39
Aren't there any Kennedys around?	RagAss	Nov 2012	#43
Yes. One just got elected to the US House. But he is at least two years away from a Senate run. nt	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#64
I just can't believe the President could be that insensitive to faithful Massachusetts democrats.	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#44
What bullshit!	ProSense	Nov 2012	#46
I live in Massachusetts, you don't. nt	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#65
You're right about that, and	ProSense	Nov 2012	#73
Exactly. Playing Chicken Little about Kerry's seat means you're disloyal to the party.	MessiahRp	Nov 2012	#83
This is out of your mind stuff	jsmirman	Nov 2012	#93
Well thank god you, and maybe the one other person posting in this thread,	MessiahRp	Nov 2012	#94
lol	politicasista	Nov 2012	#125
Sounds like there is more to this	politicasista	Nov 2012	#111
He took our Democratic (and popular) governor from Kansas	proud2BlibKansan	Nov 2012	#48
And had she stayed, she might have had a real shot at a Senate seat	OmahaBlueDog	Nov 2012	#68
Her successor was bad and then Brownback swooped in	proud2BlibKansan	Nov 2012	#70
"He took"???? No, SHE ACCEPTED. She didn't have to. Sheesh. Are you not honored at all?	RBInMaine	Nov 2012	#87
Not really	proud2BlibKansan	Nov 2012	#91
"republicans will target that open seat with all the money and fury they can muster."	WorseBeforeBetter	Nov 2012	#55
I agree that Wes Clark would make a great candidate for SOD....	Little Star	Nov 2012	#107
Only if we run another Martha Coakley like candidate to fill Kerry's seat	LynneSin	Nov 2012	#76
The tidal wave of DUers who are terrified	protect our future	Nov 2012	#78
+1 n/t	politicasista	Nov 2012	#81
Gee, what WEAK-KNEED surrenduring before the fact this is. SHAMEFUL ! SHEESH !	RBInMaine	Nov 2012	#88
I don't believe we'll lose the seat just because Brown is there. We have a deep bench of candidates	craigmatic	Nov 2012	#95
why post tripe, then back off of it in your first sentence?	MjolnirTime	Nov 2012	#101
The other nightmares we might have to face are Sean Bielat or Richard Tisei. n/t	Ian David	Nov 2012	#102
Scott Brown?	dchill	Nov 2012	#103
You are sooooo right on every point you make....	Little Star	Nov 2012	#104
Ok	politicasista	Nov 2012	#105
After today's press conference, it is obvious Susan Rice will be the choice	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#106
Kerry ain't said nothing and Democrats here are berating him anyway	politicasista	Nov 2012	#108
I am not berating him, I just want him to lead us in the senate. What is wrong with Senator?	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#110
No you're not, just a few	politicasista	Nov 2012	#113
Actually, it isn't obvious	karynnj	Nov 2012	#112
different situation-Dem Gov. picked Hillary's replacement, though the wrong person	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#115
Hi graham, my friend.	protect our future	Nov 2012	#129
Yup!	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#132
Who said Hillary is going to win in 2016?	Mr_King	Nov 2012	#135
Does Lightening strike twice?	FogerRox	Nov 2012	#109
McMahon lost 2 Senate races.	Son of Gob	Nov 2012	#114
Ahhhh, so lightening does strike twice.	FogerRox	Nov 2012	#134
He'd probably do less damage as governor of MA	Anthony McCarthy	Nov 2012	#126
Dems in Mass are tired	protect our future	Nov 2012	#127
kerry is`t going anywhere....	madrchsod	Nov 2012	#128
Nope. He's done.	NashvilleLefty	Nov 2012	#138
This is why they are smearing Susan Rice	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	Nov 2012	#140
Can I make a suggestion?	Ganja Ninja	Nov 2012	#143

Response to jsmirman (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:59 AM

loyalsister (13,390 posts)

1. I doubt they would run Scott Brown

I really don't think they would be so stupid as to put up a candidate that just lost. But, it is definitely possible that a republican could win that seat in a special election.

If we give up Kerry's seat we WILL lose it to Scott Brown

1. I doubt they would run Scott Brown

3. I think you are badly underestimating Scott Brown's popularity

40. Why is that, do you think?

49. The poster is right. I live in Massachusetts and don't like Brown. But he has a base of 1 million

99. I live in MA too, this was a close race. It shouldn't have been, but it was. I agree with you.

131. 53 - 46 is not a close race.

139. No, the outcome was great, but despite all the BS from Brown & his never addressing real

141. I understand, but I think a strong candidate will do fine.

142. Was Coakley aloof? That win gave the rethugs in the Senate enough of a majority to

144. she refused all advice to get out and work for it.

145. Sure was a "lucky" win for the GOP. nt

47. He sure is. Brown got over 1.2 million votes and almost a million when he beat Coakley.

4. They don't have anyone else

8. Not only will he run, he will win.

14. If not for senate, then at least for governor.

28. Oh Please NO!

51. A special appointment from the Governor's seat make more sense. Tim Murray, a very good

30. Oh yes they would- he is not unliked here.

42. Brown has proven an ability to win a statewide election, has an organization, and can raise money.

92. He's planning to run if the seat is open

136. I don't think the Suprememe Court issue has gone away. n/t

2. I doubt Team Obama would create that risk without a contingency plan

6. Why? They handed the AZ governorship to the right-wing...

7. I tend to agree, they pulled a few governors

79. And Arizona has been hell ever since... nt

100. +1 n/t

5. The naked guy just LOST, acted like an IDIOT, and MIKE CAPUANO could BEAT him.

15. Capuano seems content where he is.

19. He couldn't win a primary

41. Didn't Capuano run against him before and didn't even rate in that election airc? I love Capuano

9. Couldn't the Dem legislature just change the rule back so the GOV could appoint someone? nt

10. Kerry is a good man, but he is needed in the Senate. Agree: bury Scott Brown. nt

11. We need another show-stopper candidate to run for Senate

45. Capuano ran in the 2010 Senate race already and no one even remembers apparently.

89. I voted for Capuano as well

53. I like the young Kennedy in two years if he shines in the US House. He would be unbeatable

90. I think Joe Kennedy III needs a bit more experience than 2 years before running for the Senate

98. ...

137. I wonder if the electoriate of Massachusettse likes Rachel Maddow as much as they do Scott Brown?

12. IMHO...

69. You don't live here. I do. We have only one person that could beat Brown, maybe, right now. nt

74. Yeah, I don't live there.

13. Brown will definitely run; however, don't forget Bill Weld moved back to MA

54. Weld would lose to a number of democrats. Scott Brown may be can be beaten only by Patrick. nt

16. Unless Deval Patrick will run for Senate, I have no desire to appoint Kerry to the cabinet

22. I agree with Lugar

56. Brown has a base of 1 million votes. Even Patrick would struggle to beat Brown right now.

17. Maybe, but putting politics above country isn't where we want to be. If Kerry's the best man ...

57. Yes, in a perfect world.

71. I'm not in this to beat the Republicans. I'm in it to make America great.

75. Yeah, but they're in it to beat us, America be damned.

77. The SOS will speak for the president, not himself.

85. If we care about the country,

18. I dont know if Kerry will leave, but we can beat Brown.

58. who can beat Brown other than Patrick? WHO other than Patrick? I live in Massachusetts too.

80. What do you mean he has lost you?

82. He "lost you" if he appoints the best man for the job?

116. +1

20. Wow, the fear of Scott Brown is strong.

21. Warren was ultimately perceived by the Massachusetts electorate as a GREAT candidate

23. What are you going to do if Kerry doesn't run in 2014?

34. I'd certainly prefer the seat be up in a normal reelection rather than a special one

24. Good point - Kerry might retire

59. Warren is a special candidate, she won by less than 200,000 votes. Look, I am sorry for this after

61. Wait,

67. Two reasons. First, Massachusetts Democrats are tired. Second, we will have a deeper bench in 2014

96. Truth never gets in the way of Kerry bashing n/t

124. + 1000

130. ...

97. You don't care. You have a dislike of Kerry n/t

117. Warren could always beat Brown. She was a great candidate...

118. ProSense is right

121. I think you are misunderstanding. Kerry is a great senator and we love having him...

123. No.

25. Democrats wet their pants when they have majorities

26. The legislature can change the law and make it an appointment by the governor again.

27. Vicki Kennedy for Kerry's seat?

29. As a fellow person from MA- I have to agree

35. And I'm just a New Yorker/DC person who pitched in bec. I love Elizabeth