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(3,027 posts)
Fri Nov 3, 2023, 08:43 AM Nov 2023

Not so fast with the "Never Again"

Ellen Barkin on X:
As my Bubbe would say…”Not so fast with the ‘never again’. They’ll be back for us sooner or later” She was right.

Photograph of a "No Jews" sign in German from 1939, and a sign from Istanbul, Turkey in 2023 that says "Jews Not Allowed"
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Not so fast with the "Never Again" (Original Post) Just_Vote_Dem Nov 2023 OP
Wish i had answers to stop this sickness from spreading AltairIV Nov 2023 #1
Some old statement about not knowing history... yagotme Nov 2023 #2
If you don't know history, you're doomed to repeat it. Axelrods_Typewriter Nov 2023 #7
Yup. nt yagotme Nov 2023 #8
Why is that sign in English? RAB910 Nov 2023 #3
I wondered that too. Emrys Nov 2023 #4
I have my doubts about the authenticity of the claim RAB910 Nov 2023 #5
Ragmen Sahaf in Istanbul Sympthsical Nov 2023 #9
Huh inthewind21 Nov 2023 #12
My picture is from a year ago Sympthsical Nov 2023 #14
''The independent shop Raqmen Sahaf, which trades in rare books written in Turkish and English ... Donkees Nov 2023 #16
Thanks for the verification Sympthsical Nov 2023 #17
Me too inthewind21 Nov 2023 #11
When I was in college, I knew a Turkish student wnylib Nov 2023 #15
I wonder if it is in a heavily travelled tourist area. yagotme Nov 2023 #6
It's in Turkish as well, underneath the English. DavidDvorkin Nov 2023 #13
Just two adverbs sarisataka Nov 2023 #10
Ha. 2 adverbs. yagotme Nov 2023 #18
Ellen Barkin is a GOAT Sympthsical Nov 2023 #19
7. If you don't know history, you're doomed to repeat it.
Fri Nov 3, 2023, 01:46 PM
Nov 2023

If you DO know history, you're doomed to watch others repeat it!


(9,667 posts)
9. Ragmen Sahaf in Istanbul
Fri Nov 3, 2023, 04:53 PM
Nov 2023

EDIT: This picture is from a year ago. I was merely confirming the store/location.

Found it in about 15 seconds.


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14. My picture is from a year ago
Fri Nov 3, 2023, 05:10 PM
Nov 2023

I should make that clear, I suppose.

I completely believe the no Jews sign.

People seem eager to downplay the antisemitism we're clearly seeing. Is an odd impulse.


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15. When I was in college, I knew a Turkish student
Fri Nov 3, 2023, 05:44 PM
Nov 2023

whose mother was an English teacher in Turkey. The student was married to an American that she had met when he was stationed in Turkey with the Army.

There are also a lot of Brits living in Turkey and a lot of Brits who go there as tourists. Tourists from other countries often also know English so it's convenient to have signs in English for them as well as for Brits and Americans.



(3,513 posts)
6. I wonder if it is in a heavily travelled tourist area.
Fri Nov 3, 2023, 12:56 PM
Nov 2023

English/American is often used as a "secondary" language in touristy areas that have a lot of American/British tourists, I would imagine. Possible media thrust at American Jews, also.


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10. Just two adverbs
Fri Nov 3, 2023, 04:58 PM
Nov 2023

Often said with less heartfelt sincerity than "Have a nice day" by the drive thru worker.

However I suspect to the people who lost a third of their worldwide population to a hatred that is still strong today, it is both a warning and reminder. I believe they take it very seriously.


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18. Ha. 2 adverbs.
Fri Nov 3, 2023, 06:53 PM
Nov 2023

Germans did it with one noun and a star, to keep customers from buying at a Juden store. Efficient folk, those Germans...


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19. Ellen Barkin is a GOAT
Fri Nov 3, 2023, 06:53 PM
Nov 2023

My first experience with her was Switch when I was a kid. Fantastic performance.

Haven't seen it in ages. Welp. That's tonight's movie sorted.

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