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March sizes keep growing- every day in NY (Original Post) womanofthehills Nov 2023 OP
Thank You For Posting JackCoop Nov 2023 #1
And still no marches to free the hostages. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #2
Yes, I noticed that... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #3
And Whataboutism comes into the conversation. Chainfire Nov 2023 #6
Good to know: any idea when the protests against holding hostages will start? brooklynite Nov 2023 #9
I am sorry, but I find that type of argument to be weak Chainfire Nov 2023 #13
Is it inconceivable that 15% of people in Gaza are responsible for 95% of civilian deaths in Gaza? Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #11
Good to see people mobilizing to oppose this. David__77 Nov 2023 #4
To oppose the war or the protest? Chainfire Nov 2023 #5
To oppose Israel's current military campaign. David__77 Nov 2023 #7
Yea, me too, David. Chainfire Nov 2023 #8
Glad you corrected yourself. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #12
Hillary Clinton respectfully disagrees... brooklynite Nov 2023 #10
 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
6. And Whataboutism comes into the conversation.
Sat Nov 11, 2023, 05:17 PM
Nov 2023

Just to let you know, there are those of us who do not support Hamas, who do worry about the hostages and still want Israel to stop the massacre of civilians and the destruction of their homes.

It is estimate that15% of the People in Gaza are Hamas, but half of all of the homes in the country are damaged or destroyed and somewhere 10,000 human beings have been killed. To some of us it looks like revenge, or genocide and that is why we protest for the killing to stop.

I do understand that some people need to wave the flag and cheer-on Israel, and find reasons to justify the slaughter, but some of us just don't buy it. I don't believe that Israel is right, regardless of what crimes they commit, because they are Israel.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
9. Good to know: any idea when the protests against holding hostages will start?
Sat Nov 11, 2023, 05:58 PM
Nov 2023

The protests you're supporting seem to be limited to the front end of your comment.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
13. I am sorry, but I find that type of argument to be weak
Sat Nov 11, 2023, 06:38 PM
Nov 2023

The fate of the hostages is being overshadowed by the merciless destruction and killing; It ain't' my fault!

I am, truly, concerned about the estimated 250 hostages being held in Gaza, but I am more concerned about 10,000, and growing daily, people who have been killed and hundreds of thousands being rendered homeless and without food, water or power. Sorry, but the greater evil gets the most negative attention, for it is my belief that the value of the lives on both sides are equal. What is happening in Gaza now is not legitimate warfare but massacre; the rest of the world is getting fed up with it, and that explains the growing numbers of protesters.

If Israel's response to the vile massacre that started this war had been rational and measured, nearly the whole world would have been in their corner. Now, that has flipped so that they are no longer viewed of the victim but as the attacker. Their brutal response has insured that,no matter how much territory they gain, or how many people they kill, or how many homes that they destroy, it will not be a lasting victory. Israel will end up becoming a prison of their own making, and the enemies will always be at the gates looking for a chink in their armor.


Beastly Boy

(11,249 posts)
11. Is it inconceivable that 15% of people in Gaza are responsible for 95% of civilian deaths in Gaza?
Sat Nov 11, 2023, 06:19 PM
Nov 2023

It is well documented that Hamas has turned all of Gaza, schools and hospitals included, into a military zone. It is well documented that Hamas impeded the evacuation of civilians from this military zone. It is suspected that the hostages are being detained in this military zone. 10,000 human beings were killed in the military zone which Hamas militants are occupying. Both the 10,000 deaths and the detention of the hostages have been taking place in the same military zone.

See the direct connection? Yes? So where is the whataboutism?

The hypocrisy of the demonstrators is on display. Not only with regard to the hostages, but with regard to ignoring and excusing the role of Hamas for the civilian deaths in Gaza.

"Those of us" who do not support Hamas are not demonstrating. Those who pile on Israel are. And those are the same "us" who are whitewashing Hamas of their responsibility in the deaths of the 10,000 people by remaining silent, if not willfully ignorant, about it.

Beastly Boy

(11,249 posts)
12. Glad you corrected yourself.
Sat Nov 11, 2023, 06:22 PM
Nov 2023

You are now on record for not opposing the Hamas military campaign.

Duly noted.

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