Fuck you USA Today
It's only a "concern" because that is all you, the M$M want to talk about!
Try talking about what the man is actually doing. You fucking media whores!
I don't wrap myself in the cozy blanket of "it's the media's fault!" assertions. I deal with the real world and strategize accordingly.
BTW: I called the White House today to confirm my attendance at a Holiday reception in December. Thought you'd want to know.
Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)
But I think some of us are tired of the overemphasis on it, as well as the general vagueness of the "concern".
I have a degree in political science (focusing on electoral politics) and 40 years of political engagement that lets me evaluate what voters focus on and why. They don't need media polls or punditry (which most of them don't bother following) to frame a perception of political figures. There is angst (whether its deserved is irrelevant) about the cost of living, the migrant situation and crime, and in that setting, people have historically looked for leaders who empathize with their concerns and show strong leadership. That's why Trump is doing as well as he is: he tells his 40% of the electorate that their concerns are validated and he speaks forcefully about how he'll address them. Biden doesn't because it's not historically his style. If you watch him speak, its frequently in a quiet voice, which can be soothing in a one-on-one setting (I've seen him talk to individuals this way, and it works) but doesn't come off as successfully in a group setting, which is where most people see him. Add his obvious age, and voters relate the two.
Both the MSM and Social media; its not an organic experience shared by millions (some folks are indeed suffering, but not the supposed 60+% of the electorate who claim to trust republicans more on the economy), its a manufactured and manipulated narrative that millions are exposed to relentlessly. Same goes for crime. I live in Canada, and when I tell folks Im originally from California, its common for them to comment on how scary a place CA is with all that crime.
I do appreciate your posts with insider information on the political process, but You are clearly part of the consultant class, and your livelihood likely depends on the reinforcement of conventional wisdom as the only right way to win elections.
I dont know if Biden raising his voice will convince people hes a better president.
No, I'm a retired transportation planner who worked in NYC for the last 30 years. I don't DO politics professionally; I provide "deep pockets" financial support for candidates in winnable races based on detailed data analytics (hence my ability to engage with Party leadership), and as such, "conventional wisdom" is the last thing I want to clouding my judgement.
That said, I started out in the trenches as a Ward Committeeman in Philadelphia, where I learned valuable lessons, including: don't conflate your own opinion with that of the voters, don't get emotional in your political decision making and especially don't assume that the average voter is as interested in politics as you are.
C'mon, I don't think you really believe that.
The media has been parroting the idea he's too old ever since he took the oath - long before Americans started saying they were terribly concerned about his age.
You don't believe that constantly talking about how old he is doesn't feed the narrative at any level?
It's essentially a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Media talks about Biden's age incessantly > voters start picking up on the questions - 'is Biden too old?' over and over again and it leads them to start questioning it themselves > more and more Americans start saying they're concerned about Biden's age > Media talks about Biden's age incessantly ...
It's not hard to believe. It happens with a lot of issues actually - the media harps on it, makes it a major concern, people start believing it and the media then turns around and reports how the American people see it as an issue.
Rinse and repeat.
What swell timing!
Just today the Columbia Journalism Review published a piece about the front pages of your beloved NYT and the WaPo. (Hat tip to DUer here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218469547)
Here's a fun excerpt:
Now I freely admit that this is just the CJR, and not a person with a Degree In Political Science.
But they could possibly be on to something.
Congrats on the invite to the White House! That must make you feel awfully good!
spends quite a lot of time thinking about your media perspective.
That, apparently, is you who thinks that.
If they're trying to get Trump elected, I'd say they're doing a lousy job.
The "Warped Front Pages" piece doesn't say you can't find contrary examples.
It just counts the number and finds that--no surprise to anyone but you--for every "Fears About His Authoritarian Bent" there are three "Old Feeble Joe" heds.
You really can't be not understanding this. You can only be taking a position for the sheer sake of trying to be right.
Response to brooklynite (Reply #32)
Unless bigotry, stupidity, dishonesty, anti-constitutional behavior and hate for immigrants is the way to go now. That should be the area of focus for study.
"Globalists are taking your jobs and sending them to China"
"Migrants are coming across the border and taking the jobs that are here"
"Crime is out of control and Democrats want to defund the police"
"Climate change radicals want to close the coal mines".
These are all message Trump has given to his audience, and they all resonate.
However, if you place value on them as molding society into this dystopia threatening all of us, then it would be more constructive to place energy on how to change them, or at least help them realize their total ignorance and stupidity in the fact that they will also suffer as a result of their choices.
...the point IS that the voters Biden needs to win over to go with the Democratic base have concerns of their own (cost of living, crime, etc.) which Biden has to respond to, rather that ignore or discount.
New York lost six Biden House seats (and consequently, we lost control of the House) because voters were concerned about crime and our candidates didn't respond to the voters' concern.
But I do worry about our election system allowing us to overcome all of this at the voting booth. There are too many weird right-wing state legislators in place to continue preventing orderly transitions of power - there are too many stupid voters that made it that way.
Your constant excuses and bragging aren't helpful, in case you haven't noticed yet, after a few years. You brag to having inside sway, fuckin use the sway. Do something for Us! More aggressive attacks on Trump need to be made, daily. Every court appearance needs an ad or a statement. Get the word out. Hell, bring back fireside chats if we need to. Do something! Stop giving trump all the air! You claim to have so much clout, fuckin do something, instead of just telling us how much money you give to guzzle down wine and food withe folks!
I have entry to express concerns and suggestions and I do. Many of us have expressed concern about the Democrat's ability to message successfully. I can't "make" them change their campaign strategy, unless you'd like me to hold back the cash that they need.
like the fact that the so called leading opponent is nearly as old; also that despite age unprecedented experience of the incumbent has led to unprecedented accomplishments.
RW OWNED media loves both sides until both sides are not in their favor.
the MAIN story about Biden to the exclusion of most everything else? Because that is what the Media is doing.
Hilary did have a private server, it was not a big deal, but the Media made it the main story about her.
Your lack of concern over this media push to make Biden's age the big issue is alarming.
... the most over TFG.
M$M will swear they don't drive the news ...
More time is spent expressing concern about Pres Biden's age than is spent reporting on what Biden - Harris has accomplished or are working on.
It's similar to all the "but her emails" yapping leading up to 2016. There have been plenty of analyses showing the lopsided air time from that.
Make them short and sweet, cogent and concise. We all know it's bs, so write them and tell them - the letter they publish might be yours.
I personally disagree with those concerns and there is a 100% chance that I will vote for him. But if we are going to deny there are concerns about his age we are sticking our heads in the sand.
On the other hand, the media nor right wing have pushed ANY concerns about Trump's age - let alone his very noticeable physical cognitive decline.
So, not fair.
Is to deny the truth. And it's just not the media and right wingers. You probably saw recent comments made by David Axelrod for instance.
ignored health problems? It's not like they are limited to one issue per day.
I just disagree w/Axelrod and all others...it's mental and physical fitness. I don't think anyone wants to be judged by age alone. I believe TFG is physically unfit and definitely cognitively impaired, even compared to when he was President. He's 3 years younger than Biden, so again, too old? --- it depends.
We all age differently. I have no concerns about Biden's cognition. From what we see, he is physically active - biking, etc. However, he does walk slowly as often happens when we age. I don't believe that impacts his cognition. Roosevelt was in a wheel chair, though hidden for the times.
My two cents.
It's up to our side to counter this by showing how whatever you want to call Trump -- I like Dementia J. Trump (thanks, Keith Olbermann) and "Donstipation" -- would be a disaster for the country, both agenda wise and mentally.
He's old, yes, but he was old in 2020 too and I'm not sure what's changed since then (other than the obvious passage of time)? Do people still remember that he has a VP that can step in if he dies and/or becomes incapacitated? Who or what is the alternative?
That goes over well here, but not in the electorate at large (Biden won in part by winning over moderate Republicans and Independents) and not even in the Democratic Party (Harris never did well in the 2020 Primary).
though inarticulately that there is a lot of sexist and racist opposition to our great vice president.
He was old when he got 81 million votes 3 years ago.
The bigger question is, can he do the job of President effectively. He's proven repeatedly he's mentally and physically up to the task. Personally I think he is doing a great job.
Other than walking slower and talking more softly you never hear any reports of him being incompetent and unfit to serve like during Ronald Reagan's second term and Trump's entire presidency. There's never been any mention of invoking the 25th amendment which Trump's cabinet seemed to mention every other month.
If Biden was impaired to the point he can't competently run the country we'd hear about it immediately.
If people don't want to vote for him simply because he moves slow and stammers occasionally when speaking what exactly can Democrats do to address that concern?
I'm getting a bit tired of all the acting as if age is not a factor, regardless of how fascist/ old the opponent is. It also amazes me that Hillary could not be president considering who will likely be the next candidates.
He's just a kid -- he'd have to wait at least another ten years!
It's all about perceptions. That's the problem. I love Biden and will vote for him no matter what, but I'm not gonna put my head in the sand about his age issues.
17. Biden acts feeble at times. Dr. Fauci is older than Biden, but acts 15 years younger.
It's all about perceptions. That's the problem. I love Biden and will vote for him no matter what, but I'm not gonna put my head in the sand about his age issues.
It's what has the (R)'s tighties is a bunch
When Pendejo45 picks a black woman, you hear the same thing.
was still out swinging a hammer, carrying lumber and building houses at that age. I don't think the Orange Ruski could hit a nail with a hammer to save his life or carry lumber. He puts down his fast food long enough to get out of the golf cart and swing a club and thinks he's getting exercise.
by saying media whores. I sure do miss Mediawhoresonline. The Horse was always great.
person I know who is a Republican is my book editor/designer and he is a devout Christian. He is extremely well mannered, lives with his parents at age 29, a nice nerd. We do not discuss politics when he comes over to help me with my manuscript.
Every headline about President Biden's birthday has framed it as a crises that's going to hurt his re-election chances.
2016 it was Hillary's emails. 2024 it's going to relentless coverage about Biden's age.
They've got nothing else to pin on him. And since he can't change the fact he's 81 years old pundits can keep hammering away at him with no pushback.
It's classic ageism and insulting to the 81 million people who voted for him just 3 short years ago. The beltway media said he was too old then. And consistently gives Trump a pass because he has a combover, wears orange makeup and gives loud, manic speeches that are incoherent.
It's going to be a long 12 months.
Exactly. We never see Biden's age and experience covered as a positive thing. Age and experience used to be seen as desirable leadership traits, the source of wisdom, steadiness and good judgement. From everything I've seen since he was elected Biden appears to be a wise, steady and experienced leader, but the media seldom frames it that way.
Corporate media is in the business of framing and shaping public opinion, not "just reporting the facts, ma'am." It's what they do. Anyone who claims otherwise is being disingenuous. Political pundits discuss Biden's age like sportswriters do 40-year-old quarterbacks: "he's really lost a step, Wolf...he just can't avoid a sack or throw the long ball...it's time for the guy to retire."
I had to turn it off out of sheer boredom.
I was reading a couple of articles on the Thanksgiving Turkey Pardons, and Biden's age was mentioned twice in one article, and once in the 2nd. One article came from the AP, the other was a NPR article.
The media has it in for Biden. They are going to give him the, "but her emails" treatment.
To talk about that other stuff requires, like, a brain.
...somehow nobody claims that makes them "obviously left-wing media".
Your follow-up is likely "but why do people say they prefer Trump over Biden"? The answer in part is that TODAY (a year out) people are expressing concerns rather than an absolute voting preference, and Trump is seen as 1) not the person in charge today (whom they perceive as not addressing their immediate concerns) and 2) someone who governed when their financial situation was better.
stuff has to stop, so WTF are they saying they want a DICTATOR, kiss your freedom goodbye. Trump is fucking losing his mind, apparently the propaganda machine is in overdrive.
...feed the mainstream media some other BS they can latch onto to about trump or someone so they can keep the advertisement targets blabbering about somethng more juicy than this inane concern over Joe's age.
The media just wants to sell views, give them something else to focus on.
"...as concerns about his opponent's age and mental decline hang over 2024 election..."
There. I fixed it for them.
So what if Bidens old. His experience trumps every president if lived through. If he doesnt live through the 2nd term, weve got Harris, so why is this an issue, unless people think she can handle the job.
I have not watched Bill in years since he is a Libertarian asshole but on Friday I saw Rob Reiner and Albert Brooks were going to be guests so I watched. That lasted 1 whole minute before he made an asinine remark about Biden being behind the top three GOP candidates and that Biden is so old, etc. That did it!!!!! I will never watch that show, even if my own mother were a guest.
and Colbert is VERY much on the Biden train. But yeah, I wish they wouldn't add fuel to the fire.
Maybe I'm just missing all of those.
The Biden campaign has told me that very few people get their news today from newspapers..:
And so very beside the point.
At this point, you don't have to read the newspaper to know that Joe Biden is a doddering, ancient man.
The major media still play a big part in setting the story line.
But you knew that.
A person could almost think that you're arguing just for the sake of arguing. And that is important because, as Charlie Pierce has been know to say: "That shit simply will not stir itself."
....people here seem to be envisioning enemies all around them thwarting Biden's re-election prospects, which is a great excuse for not actually trying.
I deal with politics with as little emotion as possible, so I can think clearly about what I should do and what I should suggest to others.
What is it that indicates to you that people who, for instance, point out media bias (which many rather knowledgeable people seem to recognize, contrary to your wisdom) are therefore "not actually trying"?
Did the OP here say, "And, therefore, I will not vote"?
You're actually in the minority when you deny media bias.
And that doesn't help your credibility.
Not matter what degrees you have, what invitations you have, what money you have.
I guess it's possible that you do not believe chewing gum and walking are simultaneously possible. But if that is the case, I believe you are, once again, in the minority.
Look at the CJR study I linked elsewhere in this thread.
And tell me with a straight face that there's no media bias.
That doesn't mean "Oh, shit! Then I give up."
It means that you call out media bias WHILE you are getting out the vote, talking to everyone you can, and--for such people as you--strewing vast sums of money hither and yon.
Not sure at all why you think this is a zero sum game.
They just read the headlines in their news feeds.
And are reminded of Biden's age and the voter's concern daily.
Oh, wait, he's a Republican, so it doesn't count.
instability. Or his crimes. They report more on what he says about the trials than the cases themselves.
It's out there. If you look. Tip, read the entire article and not just the headline.
I dont know for sure what that is but bashing all media is not going to solve it.