10 year old is the new model for Versace. I see this as an endorsement of unhealthy body - image

[elehhhhna]

Below the new Face of Versace (model Cindy Crawford's daughter, btw) you'll see a pic of Donatella Versace's daughter. Is Ms. Versace not aware of our societal anorexia problem? rant.off.

[hobbit709]

1. Scary

[LiberalEsto]

2. Shades of Lolita

This is child exploitation, pure and simple.

[snooper2]

6. Is this child being exploited?

[BlueCaliDem]

16. No, not that one

but her skirt isn't hanging around her hips like Crawford's daughter's is, is it?

Apples and oranges, snooper2.

[uppityperson]

89. Can you not see a difference between these 2?

[Aerows]

94. Just pure blindness

or stupidity if they don't.

[elehhhhna]

99. when the labia is potentially hanging lower than the skirt's hem...

something is wrong

said Grandma.









jk on the Grandma part.

[elehhhhna]

101. the one in red isn't touching her nips?

i swear

people are so accustomed to this crap they don't even see it clearly

[snooper2]

3. She looks normal to me, she's 10

Now Allegra, that's another story. Somebody needs to give that girl a samwich

[HappyMe]

7. I agree.

Cindy Crawford's daughter doesn't look unhealthy to me.


Allegra needs a big bowl of pasta.

[Aerows]

95. Big bowl of Pasta

Can you make me one *grin*

[ProdigalJunkMail]

11. yep...my 9/10 year old started getting tall and lean at that age

not a bad look at all.

sP

[TwilightGardener]

4. I see a kid who needs an eye patch.

And a lady who needs some pasta.

[L0oniX]

22. Arrr matey.

[TwilightGardener]

51. LOL. Am I the only one who thinks she looks somewhat crosseyed, or has a lazy eye?

[REP]

90. I see a strabismus

If it's being exaggerated by the photo, she can get it under control with eye exercises (I did with mine, but I still can't cross my eyes).

[EnviroBat]

5. My wife weighs a healthy 190 lbs, and she is the sexiest woman in the world!

Damn she turns me on! These "skeletons" look horrible, and really un-healthy. When I see them in ads, it's like a cold shower...

[AngryAmish]

10. Do you think a man who expressed attraction to thin women would feel free to say that here?

Why or why not?

[Marrah_G]

19. It's said every day...........

Now it's the poor oppressed skinny people? really?

I am currently in the fight of my life, for my life, to get my weight down. In the meantime, I endure either nasty looks or I am ignored, I prefer to be ignored. Even when I go to the gym I know what people are thinking and saying about me. Society says I am not allowed to be seen as a woman, a sexual being and if I try to dress up or make myself look sexy in anyway that just bring ridicule.

You really cannot compare what skinny people go through to what heavy women go through. We are shamed every day, told to hate ourselves everyday, told we are ugly, lazy, worthless. Mostly when I leave the house I am hoping to just be ignored long enough so I can run my errands and get home. I try to go to the Y when it is least busy to avoid being an object of scorn while I sweat on the treadmill.

[laundry_queen]

50. Thank you for saying it.

So sad that it needs to be said on this progressive board.

[Arugula Latte]

54. When I'm at the gym

and I see people working out, my main thought is: "Good for you." If you're overweight -- good for you, you're doing something to help your health. If you're elderly -- good for you, you're exercising to keep yourself active and limber. If you're young and fit, good for you, you're doing something to stay in shape and have a healthier future.

[Marrah_G]

59. I wish more folks thought the way you did.

I just avoid eye contact and do my best to be invisible, to be perfectly honest.

[nobodyspecial]

66. How do you know what people are thinking?

Can you read minds? You may want to consider how much of this is in your own mind. I'm saying this from experience. So many times I have let what I think other people are thinking about me hold me back. Truth is, hardly anyone is thinking about you or investing the amount of emotional energy into you as you are about your perceptions of their thoughts. I'm sure there may be a few, but most people are concentrating on themselves and their own workouts.

Just go do your thing. You can make changes and get healthy. Any ugliness in their minds is most likely permanent and really their problem. Don't make it yours.

[Marrah_G]

87. The looks, snickers and comments give me a good idea

I won't even bring up the nastiness on tv, online (even here) and in the movies. If a woman doesn't fit the mold of being sexually attractive to the majority then her worth is lessened.

[LanternWaste]

58. I've expressed that sentiment before and nary a flame erupted.

I've expressed that sentiment before and nary a flame erupted.

As to the Why-- I imagine it's because I expressed my sentiment in a manner that didn't minimize or trivialize any other demographic.

[elehhhhna]

102. oh my. excellent point. thx for theperspective.

[muriel_volestrangler]

8. The 10 year old looks photoshopped

Her heel-to-knee measurement looks the same as waist-to-eye. And that just ain't normal - at any age, I'd say. She doesn't look anorexic so much as 'distorted' - the bottom half of her body has been magnified.

[Goblinmonger]

17. That may be a result of an optical illusion

derived from a VERY high waist on that skirt. Or it's photoshopped. Not trying to argue with you, actually, but do a lot of optical illusion stuff in the communication class I teach. Looks kind of like one of those. Plus perspective from the camera angle. Either way, all very purposeful to achieve the look.

[Aerows]

44. VERY high-waisted skirt

That's also why it is so short on her.

[Sera_Bellum]

9. I still don't know

why models of this body mass are still used. The average size of women is what a 14 or 16? Only starving Ethiopian women could relate to this size.

[AngryAmish]

12. Few reasons are used

1. Clothes hang better on a thin person.
2. Thin women are all the same, heavier women are all different. Two woman who are 140 lbs each may carry it in different spots. Some have bigger butts, some bigger breasts, some bigger arms, etc. They only send one pair of clothes to the agency and expect the model to fit the clothes with minimal alteration - pinning here and there. If model don't fit they get new model.
3. Most advertising is aspirational - you want to buy the product. Thinness is fashionable. So they want a thin model for the product.

[HappyMe]

15. What?

I wear a size 4. I'm 5'1" and weigh 105. I'm not starving, nor am I Ethiopian, bulemic or anorexic.


I don't think a 10 year old wearing a women's size 16 would be a healthy body weight.

[Sera_Bellum]

18. I should have been more clear.

I was referring to the adult model. Her sunken and hollow cheeks do resemble images of starvation . As far as your heighth relative to weight, you are the exception than the rule.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/aprilholladay/2006-12-04-size-age_x.htm

[Aerows]

32. I'm 5'3"

I currently wear a 1 or a girls 14 or 16. I've had weight issues in the past of being too skinny, but I HAVE to lift weights to keep enough weight on me.

That said, knowing that I've been on both sides of the fence, we DO focus way too much on body weight and youth instead of appreciating health.

This child - and she IS a child - is 10. She has NO business being in a skirt that short. Yeah, I could wear it, but I am an adult (and it kind of sucks that I have to even resort to shopping in the kid's department because every designer assumes all women are 5'8" and taller).

[RebelOne]

64. I am 5'3" and 130 pounds,

and when buying pants, I do think that the designers think that all women are 5'8" or taller. Unfortunately, I cannot shop in the children's department to get the correct length. I always have to hem the pants.

[Aerows]

70. I know!

It's irritating as hell.

Why can't they realize that there are women under 5'8" when making jeans, for instance?

[notadmblnd]

98. How do we know it is a skirt and not a skort?

Skorts are skirts with shorts built in. Sometimes I think people come here just to see what the can feign outrage about. i don't see anything unhealthy looking about Cindy Crawford's daughter and if what she has on is a skort, it is not too short. She doesn't appear too thin nor does she appear to be made up to look older than her age. I see nothing overly sexual about her outfit. So yeah, what is there to be outraged about?

[Aerows]

100. This has to be the most interesting

and also apologetic argument I've heard yet.

Good Lord. Do you see "skort" extensions in that picture where it is hiked up so far you can practically see her panties? No.

Wow a little criticism and the damage control team rolls right in. YOU people have destroyed the internet more than SOPA ever could.

[notadmblnd]

104. YOU people?

I wasn't attempting to look up her "skirt". I have see plenty of skorts that you couldn't tell were skorts in real life.

[Aerows]

48. Not true

I'm of Irish-German descent and many of the women in my family are very petite.

[HappyMe]

56. Yup. Most of the women on my dad's side

of the family are very petit.

I can't imagine an additional 40+ pounds on my frame. I'm pretty sure I would be over-weight.

[Aerows]

63. I'm trying to get over an ear infection

and my previous weight has plummeted, though I'm still trying to lift weights to keep it up.

I can't imagine 40+ pounds on my frame, but I can certainly imagine losing that much (since I did).

I'd like to be a sound 110 or 115 and STAY that way.

Back to drinking tons of milk so that I'm not a rail, again, and more weight-training.

[HappyMe]

72. When I had cancer I weighed 85 lbs.

I looked like a walking skeleton.

My weight now tends to go from 105-110. I don't worry about it. I hear the oatmeal cookies calling me right now....

[Aerows]

86. I sank to 79 lbs

during a bad breakup with my ex. I was so depressed, stressed with traveling for work, and just generally spread so thin I didn't even know what or who I was any more. I looked like shit, felt terrible, and was a nutjob. LOL

I know, I was there, and thankfully got healthy again I'm 110-115, but I lift weights a lot.

[elehhhhna]

105. does the weightlifting increase your appetite or

your bodymass? both probably but which is the motivating reason? I was probably a touch too thin (ectomorphand prone to not eating when anxious - which was often) until about my 48th year. Now I have b**bs!

[Aerows]

108. It's mostly for bodymass

but also helps appetite. I don't do caffeine in any form now, either. It winds me up too much. My favorite drink has, and always will be unsweetened iced tea, but now, it's decaf.

[REP]

91. Ear infections suuuuuuuuuck

Get better soon!

And even though I don't know you, I'm making this judgement about you: you're great! So stay away from sick ears!

[Aerows]

93. Thank you sweetie

It hasn't been easy or pleasant, but I am resilient and I appreciate your encouragement.

[Mopar151]

13. If you are designing clothes to look good on a hangar -

You need a model built like a coathanger. And it is much harder to fit flat material to compound curves in 3 dimensions, then to drape a flat cutout.

[AngryAmish]

14. You realize she is selling children's clothes, right?

These are not women's clothes. She looks like a little girl.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

20. Yup... n/t

[seabeyond]

21. we are selling 10 yr old clothes where the butt hangs out and the crotch is seen when she sits

down?

then i think we need to have a different discussion here.

[backtoblue]

25. yep!

the girl's skirt is entirely too short for her age. It's disgusting how young girls (this one isn't even a teenager!) are sexualized in advertisement and media.

[seabeyond]

26. yep

[Son of Gob]

47. That's too short for any age.

[Aerows]

35. That's what I THOUGHT!

My god, if that child sneezes, she'll be a lingerie model! She's ten for heaven's sake.

[redqueen]

34. That makeup and hair says 'little girl' to you?

That's not how it comes across to me. At all.

[Aerows]

37. Hell no, it doesn't

They have her made up and wearing clothes for an adult female - at 10!

[Odin2005]

23. That is DISGUSTING!!!

[redqueen]

24. I'm more concerned about the sexualization.

Of course eating disorders are part of the result of the incredible amount of focus put on every woman's appearance in almost all forms of media, all the time, but that's a criticism of media in general IMO rather than modeling.

[loyalsister]

52. My first thought exactly

It's not just the clothes. It's the posture and facial expressions.

[redqueen]

53. There is so much worse out there, too.

This is apparently a new trend. I hope enough people cry foul to stop it from progressing.

[loyalsister]

61. I'm not sure it is so new

I remember when my sisters took dance lessons 30+ years ago and everyone thought it was so cute to see them shake their hips in those bathing suit with tutu costumes.

[redqueen]

62. I was going to PM this,

but **** it.

I hope this is a new trend, anyway. I sure am not aware of much like it.

Warning: Sickening pics at the link.

http://www.theimproper.com/fashion/3921/french-fashions-child-model-obsession-ignites-uproar-photos

[loyalsister]

65. Disgusting!

This does go far beyond the child beauty pageants and dance.
What I wonder is- now that we are more aware of pedophilia, is media actually trying to target them as consumers? It is so hard for me to comprehend how this is simply "cute" in any sense that should applied by adults to children.

[redqueen]

67. I think the media and society just can't get enough images of hypersexualized women and girls.

Men, too, just 5x less often.

And until more people take a stand and stop contributing to it, with money or with apathy, it will continue to get worse.

[Aerows]

74. I'm guessing that kids in their crip will be next

My GOD.

These aren't even women old enough to conceive, yet they are portraying them as sophisticated women.

Pander to the pedophilia industry much?

Shame on ALL of them.

[redqueen]

75. Those sophisticated French people have it right.

We're all just uptight repressed pearl clutching prudes.

[polly7]

79. The exploiting of children doesn't exist only among sophisticated French people.

It seems we're not above it here in NA, either.

[redqueen]

80. Oh no, of course not, didn't mean to imply otherwise...

it's just that that link was about a trend in France and the outrage about it... and a reference to the all too common implication that we're so inferior to Europe when it comes to matters of sexuality.

[Aerows]

88. I just don't understand

people who believe in objectifying other people, period. Their kids? They allow it?

How far have we fallen as a society when we think objectifying children sexually is a profit industry?

[elehhhhna]

106. we kicked that around last week

huuuuuuge du debate/fight

[trumad]

27. She's cute

and looks like every other 10 year old kid...body wise.

[Marrah_G]

28. I think the young lady looks fine with the exception of the skirt length

I think 10 is to young for a skirt that short.

The woman on the bottom just looks like she is really thin. I wouldn't jusmp to call her unhealthy because we can only see part of her. She has beautiful eyes.

[elehhhhna]

107. i didn't post a full-llength pic of her b/c it's horritying

series.

[sarcasmo]

29. The 2nd girl has already has a eating disorder. Look at the bones in her neck.

Sad.

[Aerows]

30. She's 10!

Dear lord, if I ever had a daughter, I wouldn't let her be caught dead in that. That skirt is so short, if she sneezed she'd be a lingerie model.

I do NOT understand this "children's padded bra" business, and a 10 year old trying to look 18. My goodness, let kids be kids. 10 is FAR too young to be posing like this in a skirt that damn short.

[Lunacee2012]

31. That girl in the last pic looks like me when I had cancer! nt.

[LynneSin]

33. Just so you know she is not modeling for Versace for adults but for a kids line

I see nothing wrong with a 10 year old modeling for clothes made to be worn by 10 year olds although I Don't know how many 10 year olds could afford Versace Kids clothes.

[seabeyond]

39. why would you dress a ten yr old girl in a skirt that has her butt hanging out and

if sitting down, crotch visible?

[LynneSin]

42. I think the clothing line will be more of a European thing

I can't see it selling well here in the states but Europeans have a different sense of style.

I saw her in a photograph with an outfit that actually looked kinda cute and appropriate for a 10 year old girl.

[seabeyond]

49. europe does this to their ten yr olds? they still hold on strong to that patriarchy. even more so

than the u.s.

on edit... i will look to see other pictures that are more age appropriate.

[Aerows]

73. No, Europe doesn't

This child was in a high-waisted skirt, purposefully pulled up her torso to make her look like an older woman.

This isn't "European" anymore than a plate of grits are "European". If it is getting served like it is breakfast, we all know what it is.

[seabeyond]

82. good to hear.

it would make me just that more disappointed.

[polly7]

36. I weigh 106 lbs., I'm 5'6, and I could eat an elephant and wouldn't gain a pound.

I weigh 106 lbs., I'm 5'6, and I could eat a truckload of elephants and wouldn't gain a pound.
I'm not weak or unhealthy. I lift heavy people, I play sports and do as well, or better, than some of the men, I work with horses that have never been touched by a human ...... and my weight hasn't changed since I was 16 years old. I've heard all my life how I could gain a few pounds, the problem is ...... even if I really wanted to, I can't.

I don't see, from a picture, that this woman is anorexic.

[Aerows]

38. She's not a woman

The real issue here is that she's a 10 year old girl dressed and made up like she's 20. THAT is the real issue here. That skirt is FAR too short.

EDIT: And I'm with you. I have to lift weights to keep weight on, and can eat like a horse. I had to quit caffeine for a while because I got too thin from too much coffee.

[polly7]

40. I was referring to the woman in the picture below those of the little girl.

The woman people have been saying is anorexic and resembles a cancer victim.

[Aerows]

41. Well...

Honestly, when I got down nearly past 80 lbs, I DID kind of look like a cancer victim and it took my doctor threatening to put me in the hospital to get me to take better care of myself.

If you are in your early thirties and weigh in the 80's at 5'3", it's not healthy.

[polly7]

45. Yes, that is seriously underweight.

I went down to 89 lbs. after losing my Dad, I'm sure I looked horrible then too.

[Aerows]

68. Had you asked me when I weighed

79 lbs. if I thought I was anorexic, I would have told you that, NO, I was still eating, I was just emotionally upset. And mostly it would have been true.

At some point, we have to face the fact that we can't punish ourselves that much, even when we are emotionally dying inside, because it could happen again to us, and the circumstances won't make our recovery so easy. Or at least, I did.

I'm not trying to judge or lecture, cher.

We are here as a community. We can do several things, but here is what I am here to do. Help others. Help myself. Tell the truth even when if makes me emotionally naked. And never dismissing pain. We heal ourselves by admitting it. I apologize if this is out of line.

[polly7]

71. Yes, I agree with you completely on all points.

I absolutely believe young girls / women ...... and boys / men, should know how dangerous trying to attain an overly-thin physique. I just didn't realize the woman in the photo actually 'was' anorexic until I googled for information on her.

That is why I was making the point that there are millions of skinny people in the world who, simply because of genetics alone, will never weigh what most others do ..... I thought her health was being judged on a photo alone ..... it turns out that wasn't true.

[Aerows]

77. Those of us with a thin physique

need to be careful, too, though because if we get too thin, it's very hard to come back. I'm sure you experienced something similar with your father's death, which by the way my most heartfelt condolences.

We also have an "I can't let myself go" factor, in that we have a genetic propensity to get dangerously underweight.

[polly7]

84. Thanks Aerows,

so true, we haven't got the reserves to fight back with against serious illness. I have 8 brothers and sisters, of whom two have ever said they felt the need to lose weight and probably wouldn't be considered too slender ...... so far we've all been pretty lucky health-wise. That can certainly all change in an instant, though.

[REP]

96. There are lots and lots of people who are naturally thin/very thin who look and are healthy

Not that I spend a lot of time making snap judgements about people, but to me, it's obvious when a person is who is very slender and healthy is just that - skin is a giveaway (there are others, but skin doesn't lie).

I have no doubt it is every bit as tiresome and unhelpful for the very slender to get "for your own good" advice about eating as it is for those who are overweight. I'm sorry anyone has to put up with intrusive bullshit about something so personal.

(Not discounting what you said at all - just wanted to chime in that some people understand we come in all shapes and our bodies are all different! :hi

[AngryAmish]

43. The woman below is anorexic

She is not a model, she is the Versace heiress.

[polly7]

46. Yes, I realize that. ?

Last edited Thu Jan 19, 2012, 02:44 PM - Edit history (1)

I meant ... I realize she isn't a model and is Versace's daughter, but .... D'oh. I'm so sorry!, I didn't realize that she in fact is anorexic. That is sad.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

60. She was a raised by a crazy woman.

Of course she is anorexic. Her mother thought that the women in Europe that they have modeling are fat. They are healthy women and are trying to make sure their girls do not get these sorts of issues with their bodies. Her mother is obsessed with these skinny sick looking girls, and I would have thought better of Cindy Crawford, but apparently I was wrong.

[Glimmer of Hope]

97. I think she has been anorexic for a long time. I have never seen her look healthy. It is very sad.

[taught_me_patience]

55. She looks ok to me

The legs are a bit gangly, but that's normal for a 10yo. That's a nice leather jacket.

[NeedleCast]

57. Looks Normal For 10, if a touch on the skinny side

Crawford's daughter doesn't look unhealthy to me. The lady (who I don't know) in the bottom picture, maybe.

[AtomicKitten]

69. She got her mom's looks - beautiful.

I don't think she's horribly thin. She looks lanky to me.

[WCGreen]

76. Fucking kiddie porn.....

What does this really say about our culture...

[ZombieHorde]

78. Her body type is the same as my daughter's body type,

so she looks normal to me.

[seabeyond]

81. would you put your daughter in that skirt at ten. that is who she is selling to.

i think she looks fine. i think the sexualization of a 10 yr old is the issue.

the other woman? i dont say anything about cause just the face, so i really dont know.

[ZombieHorde]

85. I wouldn't put my duaghter in that skirt because it is too high.

Call me conservative, but I like my daughter's skirts to go to her knees. I didn't notice the skirt when I first looked at the picture.

I have nothing constructive to say about the third picture.

[Quantess]

83. Cute outfit on Cindy Crawford's daughter.

I guess the point is, that now age 10 is the pinnacle of womanly beauty. Age 15 is over the hill, or what?

[REP]

92. The 10-year old looks like a healthy 10-year old (for a change)

The outfit - well, it's fashion and that's not anything I'm good at. I think it's kinda fugly. But the kid actually has muscle tone and is not skeletal. Which is nice. For younger girls who see that, they'll see a healthy-looking girl and not bones.

But if this is supposed to be what an adult woman looks like? Yeah, no. I'm sure even the model herself is looking forward to being an adult

[elehhhhna]

110. no breasts, no hips, no pressure

[blue neen]

109. The picture of the 10 year old is not appropriate.

That is NOT appropriate clothing or body language for a 10 year old.

No way.

[Jennicut]

111. Cindy Crawford's daughter looks very healthy and normal for 10 but her clothes...

My daughter is 7 and in 2nd grade. I wouldn't let her wear any skirt that short. I doubt that her friends in 4th grade would be allowed to wear skirts that short either.
Allegra Versace has been in treatment in the past for anorexia. I wonder what influence growing up around the fashion industry had on her. I wish her the best. It's a dreadful disease. One of my friends in college had it and when we graduated it had not gotten much better. It really is tough to treat anorexia.
All women have different body shapes and my main problem with the fashion industry is that they only show one standard. I am 5'4 and will never be tall and skinny. I am not overweight but a size 8 or 10 is considered "heavy" to the fashion world, which is ridiculous.

[LadyHawkAZ]

112. Boyfriend peeking over my shoulder as I find this

BF: "Damn, she's hot."

Me: "Damn she's 10."

BF (sits straight up): "WHAT!?!"

Me: "10 years old in 10 pounds of makeup and a micro mini."

BF: "What the f-! Who dresses their kid like-! Ten year olds should not look like-! TEN-?? Seriously? What the f-!" and on and on for about 2 minutes.

Even my zero-social-conscience Neanderthal got it. Kids too young for sex should not be dressed up as adults to attract it.

[jberryhill]

113. Can we organize a DU Versace boycott?