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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsObama has found his spine
In the last three months he has stood firm on the payroll tax cut, recess appointed Richard Cordray, killed the Keystone pipeline, and made a signing statement on the defense bill.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Which has lead me to believe that whatever I read in the papers or even here at DU - whatever it is about OBama, there is probably more to the story they what's on the surface.
The guy has the next 10 moves planned ahead. He's just that good.
Kahuna
(27,311 posts)The thought just make me with laughter.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)You guys are killing me!
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)That sort of thinking is just foreign to me when it comes to politicians. He is a guy,a charismatic guy, who raised money and campaigned well. He's done some good things in office and some crappy things in office. He is not the smartest man ever, nor is he a diety. He is the President of the United States. Extreme thinking on any side is disturbing...
Kahuna
(27,311 posts)2 years later, jobs were being added, PROVES not only his BRILLIANCE, but his WISDOM too. While all of the armchair PLers were bloviating about things they had only the most superficial knowledge of (always foolish to do so, as one always sets one's self up for failure) the president was getting things accomplished. You may think you know some lefties who are smarter than PBO, but I bet you can't name one.
ClassWarrior
(26,316 posts)Since you like to throw around words like "FACT" and "PROVES," prove to me that a future event (that "DEPRESSION" you capitalized) would have in fact happened if the President hadn't done what he did.
Prove it.
And please show the President the respect he deserves. Spell out his name or title. Please don't abbreviate him like he's some kind of pain medication.
NGU.
Kahuna
(27,311 posts)The fact that PBO's policies prevented massive bank failures did infact prevent another depression because that is where we were headed had the president not taken the steps he did to keep the financial institutions afloat. While all of the teabaggers and PLers were bleated about bailouts because their priority was meting out punishment rather than saving the economy, PBO did the right thing and saved the econony from totally failing.
ClassWarrior
(26,316 posts)NGU.
progress2k12nbynd
(221 posts)You realize that those bank bailouts that you're bragging abt were in fact enacted under BUSH in 2008 right? Before your God ever took office? Perhaps you've been loving GWB this whole time but didn't know it?
My god, how far we have fallen in political discourse here. How seriously can we take your defense of President Obama's record when you're citing things done by a completely different President. Wtf?
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)And we are on the same side, we just view politicians a little differently. I do think he is smarter then any of the gop candidates...by a long shot
Kahuna
(27,311 posts)big of you.
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Logical
(22,457 posts)I think the President has, indeed, been making better decisions lately. But that implies that he was making some poor ones earlier, which I do believe to be the case.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)Are you sure? Because I was just about to go all in on diety.
Bandit
(21,475 posts)Us "Lefties" just love those Bush* tax cuts that Obama extended.. I don't know about smarts but I do know Republican Policies from Democratic ones....
ClassWarrior
(26,316 posts)If so, your freep is showing.
NGU.
Kahuna
(27,311 posts)ClassWarrior
(26,316 posts)NGU.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)It's those who can't see the forest for the trees who were / are on perpetual freakout over every incremental action.
bowens43
(16,064 posts)he lost nearly every round
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)now they are fully exposed for what they really are and he can crush them
dawg
(10,624 posts)Polls show that Americans think the President is far to the left of them on the issues and that Romney is closer to their "personal" beliefs. This, despite the fact that the President did everything humanly possible to portray himself as a moderate.
I fear all the compromise and moderation has accomplished us nothing, and that a downturn in the economy before the election could still sink us.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)However, I believe that Romney and the gang are so easily linked to the reason for the downturn that they function as a type of economic incumbent with Obama actually able to position himself as the economic outsider.
bigtree
(85,989 posts)he advanced his 'we can't wait' executive initiatives and banned new uranium mining leases for 20 yrs. around the Grand Canyon.
Stood firm on Iraq withdrawal and on Yucca Mt., earlier on in his term.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)But that was so incredibly cool, I just really don't know what to say.
That was AWESOME!!!
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)EC
(12,287 posts)pissed.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)Trans Canada will reapply with a new route proposal (decision will probably be somehow pushed back until after the election). And don't get me started on the "signing statement". He's showing just enough spine to try to reel back in some of his old supporters, IMO.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)is Republican tax policy.
Wow, Obama stood firm on tax cuts for the rich.
That's change I can believe in.
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Kahuna
(27,311 posts)still today, people think they are smarter than the president. PBO is brillliant. Every time he gives a news conference, the way he handles the press convinces me of this.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)And I don't.
Whether or not you are intellectually smart or politically smart doesn't make you great.
Sometimes you have to be politically "gut" and go with intuition to be a true leader.
I'm not trying to take anything away from him here in these decisions, either. They were LONG needed.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I'm glad. I hope he finds even more of one.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)What he found is his need to keep his base in check.
emulatorloo
(44,117 posts)Funny how the story keeps changing
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)That's why their story keeps changing.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 20, 2012, 12:12 AM - Edit history (1)
I only speak for myself.
ClassWarrior
(26,316 posts)NGU.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Here ya go -
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)So he's throwing us a few bones.
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Beacool
(30,247 posts)What this, Free Republic??????
You can stuff your rudeness and personal attacks.
Unbelievable................
bowens43
(16,064 posts)if didn't at least start pretending to be left of center.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)the signing statement, where he tries to have it both ways, is spine?
A better example would be ending the Iraq war.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)They say what we want to hear when they need us to vote for them.
Logical
(22,457 posts)whistler162
(11,155 posts)you do have a lot to catch up with.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)Payroll tax cut (probably) and the laughable signing statement (definitely) shouldn't count.
markpkessinger
(8,395 posts). . . A "signing statement" isn't worth the paper it's written on, and has no binding effect on future presidencies. FAIL!
bvar22
(39,909 posts)or "The Payroll Tax" if you are more comfortable with Republican NLP Framing.
This IS a stealth attack on the funding mechanism for Social Security/Medicare,
and WILL make it easier to kill these programs which are a foundation of the modern Democratic Party.
Payroll Tax Holiday Directly Connects Social Security to The Deficit]
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1538388
Obama campaigned on INCREASING Payroll Contributions to FICA by "Raising the CAP",
NOT cutting them.
Casting this as a Democratic Party Victory is NOT something that Real DEMOCRATS like FDR & LBJ would have approved.
THEY insisted on a separate and distinct funding mechanism for these programs FOR a REASON,
and it has worked extremely well exactly as designed.
Man, I miss THAT old "DEMOCRATIC PARTY"!
[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center]
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Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]