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H2O Man

(75,643 posts)
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 01:10 PM Feb 2024

On Being Human

Last edited Tue Feb 6, 2024, 02:42 PM - Edit history (1)




In times of humanitarian crises, good people who are not affected want to lend support. This has included the two best known types of humanitarian crises; natural disasters, and the man-made disasters commonly known as war. There is a third type, lesser known but surprising common, known as "complex emergencies." This is when there is significant or total breahdowns of the institutions in a society.

Why am I writing about this tonight, no one may ask? For while there are a few man-made disasters (aka wars ) going on. They are half-way around the earth. No Americans are "officially" participating in them. There's no realistic threat that they will spread, is there? So why am I even thinking about this stuff? And what does it have to do with Taylor Swift?

This weekend, I saw where a person on an internet forum said, among other things, that Taylor Swift was a demon, coordinating with the Democratic Party to send people to hell. At my cousin's request, I added my thoughts. My first contribution was one of my favorite Mark Twain quotes: "Heaven for the climate, hell for the company."

The person took great offense to this, and to me as a person. Besides assuring me that I will burn in an eternal hell for worshipping Ms. Swift, he attributed a large quantity of beliefs and behaviors to me. I noted that this was interesting, because the only thing he could actually know about me is that I know at least one Mark Twain quote. I said that I know very little about Ms. Swift, and that it was him that appeared obsessed with her.

He angrily denied that he had any obsession with her. I said that the fact he had posted 18 pictures of her and links to three of her music videos suggested that he might not be consciously aware of this obsession. I suggested he might benefit from reading Carl Sagan's "The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark." This was met by him attacking science, and expressing his faith in the defendant to deliver believers to their promised land.

I can no more talk for Ms. Swift than I can sing for her. But I consider both her contributions to charity and her encouraging citizens to register to vote are good things. Likewise, I consider those who hate her are other than good. And thus we find an illustration of a complex emergency that the United States is confronting.

The Robert Strauss Center has a chart to help identify various types of complex emergencies that can be helpful for the international response to humanitarian crises. It includes factors such as political, environmental, economic, and demographic instability, in terms of being acute, chronic, urban, and protracted. Thus, for example, if there are people moving north from Central America due to the combination of violence and prolonged drought, the country they seek to enter will have a crises. When these migrants have cultures different from the larger population, it increases the stress incurred.

Likewise, if a country seeks to expand its territory by way of a military intervention in a neighboring people's land, there will be a humanitarian crisis. This includes, but is not limited to, the Russian war of aggression in the Ukraine.

When a country -- let's say the United States -- experiences a number of the factors of complex emergencies, a couple things will happen. There will be increasing divides on how the country will respond to external humanitarian crises, and there will be an increase of hostility not only for "others," but even for a young lady like Taylor Swift for encouraging others to register to vote -- as if that is "un-American."
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On Being Human (Original Post) H2O Man Feb 2024 OP
Excellent post! pandr32 Feb 2024 #1
What I found hilarious H2O Man Feb 2024 #3
Please stop. You're arguing with a crazy person. For your own mental health, stop. Ray Bruns Feb 2024 #15
Right. H2O Man Feb 2024 #20
They can't even give a reason why they are outraged... pandr32 Feb 2024 #24
True. H2O Man Feb 2024 #26
Good for you for calling out the rage-drunk loon Easterncedar Feb 2024 #2
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2024 #5
Yes. Overload explains a lot. Easterncedar Feb 2024 #16
That fellow H2O Man Feb 2024 #21
Well worth the moment to read and a longer chance to consider. Biophilic Feb 2024 #4
Thanks! H2O Man Feb 2024 #6
Every accusation is a confession. usonian Feb 2024 #7
Right! H2O Man Feb 2024 #8
Great post MustLoveBeagles Feb 2024 #9
Yep! H2O Man Feb 2024 #11
Thank you, my dear H20 Man, for your thoughtful and intelligent post! CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2024 #10
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2024 #12
Thanks Waterman malaise Feb 2024 #13
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2024 #14
This is what happens when people care Demnh2fl Feb 2024 #17
Nice! H2O Man Feb 2024 #22
Excellent, excellent!! LoisB Feb 2024 #18
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2024 #23
I think there is a spectrum of people who are... dchill Feb 2024 #19
Yes. H2O Man Feb 2024 #25
Taylor Swift, M&Ms, Bud Light, Disney Saoirse9 Feb 2024 #27
I would say H2O Man Feb 2024 #28

pandr32

(12,227 posts)
1. Excellent post!
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 01:30 PM
Feb 2024

I have been watching with some amusement how the threatened (in-their-minds) righties are consumed with things they shouldn't be. Taylor Swift, though, represents many boogie men to them. She's a boogie woman to begin with. Her success is real and not engineered. Her crowd-size and fan base are humongous. She believes in giving back and showing gratitude to people and not the right-wing Jesus. She has stepped into what the righties believe is their turf--everything football. She is not falling apart and humiliating herself (as women should) with all that success. Lastly, she wields influence and power.
Yikes!

H2O Man

(75,643 posts)
3. What I found hilarious
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 02:02 PM
Feb 2024

was the fellow telling others that Ms. Taylor was a cult leader, attracting people who are incapable of thinking for themselves. I tried to explain a few of his personality structures that result in his being afraid of Taylor Swift and other women. He let me know that psychology is the work of the devil. Thus, my attempt to focus on sociology in this essay .......

H2O Man

(75,643 posts)
20. Right.
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 05:22 PM
Feb 2024

I wasn't arguing with him. I was playing. He was aware of that, and it bugged him. (I'm a retired, but worked in forensic mental health. So I'm used to dealing with people like him.)

pandr32

(12,227 posts)
24. They can't even give a reason why they are outraged...
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 05:34 PM
Feb 2024

...so they try to turn the table and use the exact criticisms some have levied against them (MAGAs). PeeWee Herman said, "I know you are, but what am I?" Projection works in the absence of an original thought or valid argument.
The idea that we can draw from the science of Psychology to illustrate perceptions and behaviors, not to mention explain them terrifies them. Inside they are very insecure.
This is why they invoke the Devil and/or demons. This is also why they've used 'woke' as a slam.

H2O Man

(75,643 posts)
26. True.
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 05:40 PM
Feb 2024

After assuring me that he "wasn't one of them" a couple of times, the poor fellow opted to stop attacking me. Or responding to me at all. He did have some mean things to say to others who told him that he could benefit from giving serious thought to what I was saying.

Easterncedar

(3,606 posts)
2. Good for you for calling out the rage-drunk loon
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 01:54 PM
Feb 2024

And thanks as always for your thoughtful, wise and always original writing, H2O Man. You make DU for me.

H2O Man

(75,643 posts)
5. Thank you!
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 02:18 PM
Feb 2024

By chance, earlier in the day, two old friends had visited me. We were working on organizing for the November elections, as we have done for over 40 years. This included our discussing how, despite the evolution of the human brain, many of the people we grew up with seem incapable to rational thought.

As I typed this essay, I looked over at one of my artifact cases. I have a late friend's collection from when he worked at Olduvai Gorge with the Leakeys, a Neanderthal artifact from a cave in France, and local artifacts my son & I have found from shortly after the Wisconsin glacier melted to the Revolutionary War. The brain is a curious thing. I suspect that modern technology causes overloads for a large segment of our society.

Easterncedar

(3,606 posts)
16. Yes. Overload explains a lot.
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 03:25 PM
Feb 2024

Our animal nature so often seems at odds with what we like to think of as our intelligence, although the separation is far from clear for us average folks.

H2O Man

(75,643 posts)
21. That fellow
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 05:24 PM
Feb 2024

may have served some useful purpose many thousands of years ago on the savanna. But less so today.

H2O Man

(75,643 posts)
8. Right!
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 02:28 PM
Feb 2024

He wasn't "right in the head." Sad case. One person on that discussion asked me (privately) if I thought the fuy was a potential threat to Ms. Swift? Fair question.

H2O Man

(75,643 posts)
11. Yep!
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 02:46 PM
Feb 2024

I was half-tempted to post a picture that my late aunt provided to my son, who does geneology. It was of a grave marker for a sister of one of our ancestors who was a victim of the Salem witch trials.

CaliforniaPeggy

(152,285 posts)
10. Thank you, my dear H20 Man, for your thoughtful and intelligent post!
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 02:40 PM
Feb 2024

It was a pleasure to read, as they always are.

I just gave you a heart for having written this! Even though you have many, I feel that one more from me is more than worth it.

H2O Man

(75,643 posts)
12. Thank you!
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 02:48 PM
Feb 2024

It was funny when the guy who had just posted 18 pictures of Ms. Swift said he wasn't obsessed with her.

Demnh2fl

(28 posts)
17. This is what happens when people care
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 03:50 PM
Feb 2024

I saw this concert when George and company came to the old Boston Garden. George always tried to help people see the humanity in all of us. RIP George

H2O Man

(75,643 posts)
22. Nice!
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 05:33 PM
Feb 2024

The concert was August 1, 1971, at Madison Square Garden, with two shows -- one in the afternoon, one in the evening. It was the first of its type, and led to many other benefit concerts. George was a great musician, and a great human being. We were lucky tobe alive in that era!

dchill

(40,628 posts)
19. I think there is a spectrum of people who are...
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 04:18 PM
Feb 2024

...shall we say, devotees of Trump. It ranges from jackals who are in it, in the beginning, to "own the libs," and attempt to generate "libtard tears," to psychologically Cuisinarted flakes who, through prayers and stuff, know for certain that he is the chosen by God Second Coming. And I believe, from personal observation, that it's a guaranteed spiral. Downward.

H2O Man

(75,643 posts)
25. Yes.
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 05:37 PM
Feb 2024

They believe in Santa God and Stained-Glass Jesus. A stunted childhood theology that tends to judge others. Like all that is rigid, it snaps under pressure.

Saoirse9

(3,815 posts)
27. Taylor Swift, M&Ms, Bud Light, Disney
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 05:49 PM
Feb 2024

These idiots are getting pissed off at all the wrong things / people. I think to try and take on Taylor is sheer suicide. But I'm here to watch them lose to her, badly.

Tucky Carlson has been in Moscow for a few days. He's kissing up to the wrong people.

I know it can probably be explained by severe mental illness. Or stupidity or a combination of the two.

It's just so tedious to listen to and watch. The disintegration of intelligence and psychological health seems complete now.

I'm glad you had fun toying with that mentally ill person. I do that sometimes too. If they are going to act like fools I think it is our duty to mock them.

H2O Man

(75,643 posts)
28. I would say
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 08:47 PM
Feb 2024

that he has a combination of low intellectual abilities and numerous factors from Cluster B personality disorders. I saw no signs of a major mental illness -- unless chronic premature ejaculation has been listed as such after I retired.

Remember when people burned Beatles albums? I guess that at times of widespread social tensions, these things happen.

Actually, I prefer debates with qualified people. Being Irish, as you well know, one has to be able to compete in sych sporting events.

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